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Ugh these law threads always create such a mess. is it really that easy to cause strife between believers? Is all I have to do is create a thread about the law give my view of it and then the war is on?
The law- the ten commandments. They are still just as important as they always have been, we are to still do our best to follow them but follow them not because we feel we have to but because we love God. Do everything the best you can as if you are doing for God. The ten commandments could never be fully obeyed, but since Jesus died for us we don't have to freak out when we slip up we just getup and try again. it doesn't need to go deeper than that.
The law- the ten commandments. They are still just as important as they always have been, we are to still do our best to follow them but follow them not because we feel we have to but because we love God. Do everything the best you can as if you are doing for God. The ten commandments could never be fully obeyed, but since Jesus died for us we don't have to freak out when we slip up we just getup and try again. it doesn't need to go deeper than that.
Blain, nothing wrong with your view. The problem is some people are on a crusade against other believers to convert them into SDA or prove others wrong and themselves right or what? The Bible clearly states that honoring certain days is a personal conviction. Why condemn other people and tell them they are incomplete although we all have Jesus?
(Not talking about JesusLives here, I appreciate the table she posted, it helped me understand what others are talking about.)
(Not talking about JesusLives here, I appreciate the table she posted, it helped me understand what others are talking about.)
I realize this one has caused many pages of discontent among my fellow followers however; I was just in my study of Hebrews on chapter 7 and have come across great revelations and I hope you will give an open ear and mind to what I have to say about that law in chapter 7.
Christ is our King after the order of Melchezidec Correct? Meaning He had not beginning of days or ending of life. He is Eternal. As our high priest: Look if you will at the high priests in the old testament before Christ arrived. If you look carefully at the LAWS they were to follow, which admittedly I do not yet know all of them, Christ as our high priest came and nullified those LAWS because His priesthood came not from man but after the Eternal God the Father who granted Christ as His only begotten son to inherit all, including the souls of those whom He called.
One of the laws the high priests of the Old Testament were to perform is the sacrifice for sin. Now comes the interesting part of my study. You all argue that when Christ died on the cross He paid our sacrifice of sin so we no longer need to worry about not following the ten commandments because Christ has abolished the law by paying the price on the cross. However; if you look closely at Hebrews 7 you will find He did abolish the Law, the Law of the Priesthood, Not the law of the commandments. The Law of the priesthood I speak of is that of Christ gave His life for the sacrifice of the people's sin where as the levitical priests sacrificed animals in atonement for the peoples sin and for themselves. When Christ died on the cross He made those sacrifices of the levites null and void, no longer needed.
I can not count how many scriptures I find all over the place about keeping the commandments, my favorite of all of them has got to be, John 14:15 (KJV) If ye love me, keep my commandments. Can I get an AMEN!!! That my dear friends is found in the NEW TESTAMNT!! AMEN!!! I also am reminded of a scripture about needless arguments I believe that one is
Titus 3:9-11
9But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. 10Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.
Now for myself and the hope of others, we must strive to live our lives according to John 14:15. If you truly love our God and Savior don't you think one of the biggest challenges of the new testament is to show ourselves worthy of Gods awesome love and care by following a simple set of rules to live by. If you think about all 10 of those simple rules, doesn't it show the most reverent kind of love on could give to a Father who gave His only flesh and blood to die for our salvation. I mean come on people are they that difficult to comprehend.
In Gods love I leave you to contemplate what I have just said. Please remember to be kind in your responses and God bless you all. Oh yea, happy Sabbath~~~
Christ is our King after the order of Melchezidec Correct? Meaning He had not beginning of days or ending of life. He is Eternal. As our high priest: Look if you will at the high priests in the old testament before Christ arrived. If you look carefully at the LAWS they were to follow, which admittedly I do not yet know all of them, Christ as our high priest came and nullified those LAWS because His priesthood came not from man but after the Eternal God the Father who granted Christ as His only begotten son to inherit all, including the souls of those whom He called.
One of the laws the high priests of the Old Testament were to perform is the sacrifice for sin. Now comes the interesting part of my study. You all argue that when Christ died on the cross He paid our sacrifice of sin so we no longer need to worry about not following the ten commandments because Christ has abolished the law by paying the price on the cross. However; if you look closely at Hebrews 7 you will find He did abolish the Law, the Law of the Priesthood, Not the law of the commandments. The Law of the priesthood I speak of is that of Christ gave His life for the sacrifice of the people's sin where as the levitical priests sacrificed animals in atonement for the peoples sin and for themselves. When Christ died on the cross He made those sacrifices of the levites null and void, no longer needed.
I can not count how many scriptures I find all over the place about keeping the commandments, my favorite of all of them has got to be, John 14:15 (KJV) If ye love me, keep my commandments. Can I get an AMEN!!! That my dear friends is found in the NEW TESTAMNT!! AMEN!!! I also am reminded of a scripture about needless arguments I believe that one is
Titus 3:9-11
9But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. 10Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.
Now for myself and the hope of others, we must strive to live our lives according to John 14:15. If you truly love our God and Savior don't you think one of the biggest challenges of the new testament is to show ourselves worthy of Gods awesome love and care by following a simple set of rules to live by. If you think about all 10 of those simple rules, doesn't it show the most reverent kind of love on could give to a Father who gave His only flesh and blood to die for our salvation. I mean come on people are they that difficult to comprehend.
In Gods love I leave you to contemplate what I have just said. Please remember to be kind in your responses and God bless you all. Oh yea, happy Sabbath~~~
J
The promoting of and laying on of legalistic doctrines of bondage is contrary to teachings in scripture. I've posted, just today, nine clear verses going to this, scripture which drives a stake in the heart of this gentile self righteousness as regards the Jewish Sabbath. It truly doesn't get deeper than that. I'm with the Bible, but won't hold my breath for some others to admit they're against it, though throwing false teachings that contradict scripture every which way, all the time. This faith they espouse, truly some weird Jew-lite thing, does not even exist.
Revelation 12:17
English Standard Version
Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
I fully agree with this.
It is wrong to condemn other people for their conviction to hold Sabbath.
If someone is personally convicted, they should not be condemned for it. Let them keep it, they do it to honor God.
If someone is not personally convicted to do it, they should not be condemned either. Let them consider every day alike, they do this also to honor God. It is in Romans 14.
The Bible is clear on observance of days, it is just a personal conviction and every person must follow their lead from God.
It is wrong to condemn other people for their conviction to hold Sabbath.
If someone is personally convicted, they should not be condemned for it. Let them keep it, they do it to honor God.
If someone is not personally convicted to do it, they should not be condemned either. Let them consider every day alike, they do this also to honor God. It is in Romans 14.
The Bible is clear on observance of days, it is just a personal conviction and every person must follow their lead from God.
J
I've been called a sinner, disobedient, Satanic, told eating a slice of pepperoni pizza distances one from God, right here on CC, really! I've heard in person Adventists call Sunday keepers devils. If I wanted a dose of horse's rear, I'd have Googled such images. Most of these same people have no problem spending their whole Jew-lite sabbath, bickering on CC. Lastly, it's offensive to gospel truth and the blood of Christ. But, if these people would keep their weakness of faith, their beggarly legalism agenda to themselves, I have no problem, couldn't care less what bondage they cling to, but it's about proselytizing these cult errors to people that issues of truth and being offensive to a Bible believer arise.
@maxwel
As long as the disputations are not the "doubtful disputations" (Rom 14:1).
At some point it starts to damage both sides.
I wish people would just accept this and one another, and not judge because God specifically commanded us NOT to judge one another on this matter or argue who is more worthy.
As long as the disputations are not the "doubtful disputations" (Rom 14:1).
At some point it starts to damage both sides.
I wish people would just accept this and one another, and not judge because God specifically commanded us NOT to judge one another on this matter or argue who is more worthy.
I am really trying to understand here truly I am trying to understand....since when are the 10 Commandments of God legalistic? Written in stone by God's own finger to me this means it is important, God wrote it not an inspired man....but God wrote it with His own finger on stone....How in the world is this legalistic?????
I and I am not speaking for you, but I MUST OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MAN.
I and I am not speaking for you, but I MUST OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MAN.
see that is the problem with debates. even if ppl are friends if they are in a debate its easy for them not be friends siimply because they believe different things. honestly heated debates only make enemies because rarely does the opposing side learn either way everyone just has to be right and thats that