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JesusIsAll

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As a lapsed Catholic myself I would say that you are certainly well balanced spiritually and consider you a brother.
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Balanced? Let me write this down, time and date... Thank you! (Lapsed judgment, too? LOL!) All I really am is a Christian who tenaciously believes the Bible alone, believes all scripture inspired and not to be tampered with, that therein is truth, and everything contrary is a matter of, "Let God be true, and every man a liar." If this is not completely true, there is no basis for truth to be known, at all. As for me, I've seen no failures in scripture truth my entire life, just in men who abuse it.
 
SoulWeaver

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JesusLives said:
Don't worry about this I have friends coming and going all the time it's what they do....friend number goes up and down, but I still keep making them as I like/love friends and want to make more.
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Well Sister I fully accept you and your own lead from God and also others.
God did put into my heart to follow and obey Jesus but simply didnt put that day observance into my heart in that way. I see Jesus as my Sabbath and hope I can be accepted. If that renders me unacceptable, then just anybody reading unfriend me right now.
 
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JesusIsAll

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And this disagreement was so big to somebody (no need to name) that they kicked me out of their friends list. I dont keep a Sabbath and suddenly I'm not worthy of friendship.
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If you've ever experienced some cults up close, beyond "everybody's nice when you meet them," it gets quite vicious to disagree, even ask the wrong questions, mention the wrong scripture. They ganged up and tried to ban me on CC, for exposing some were deceptive SDAs and for mentioning Ellen White's false teachings, could not stand being exposed as SDAs!
 
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SoulWeaver said:
Well Sister I fully accept you and your own lead from God and also others.
God did put into my heart to follow and obey Jesus but simply didnt put that day observance into my heart in that way. I see Jesus as my Sabbath and hope I can be accepted. If that renders me unacceptable, then just anybody reading unfriend me right now.
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I still think you're groovy SoulWeaver.:D
 
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psychomom

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on the authority of someone from this site,
i don't worship God in spirit and truth...

y'know, because i love the Gospel. :)

it's okay, though, because for all i know, that person is right.

but, JL...i love you. i want you to be my friend. ♥
 
JesusLives

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I've been called a sinner, disobedient, Satanic, told eating a slice of pepperoni pizza distances one from God, right here on CC, really! I've heard in person Adventists call Sunday keepers devils. If I wanted a dose of horse's rear, I'd have Googled such images. Most of these same people have no problem spending their whole Jew-lite sabbath, bickering on CC. Lastly, it's offensive to gospel truth and the blood of Christ. But, if these people would keep their weakness of faith, their beggarly legalism agenda to themselves, I have no problem, couldn't care less what bondage they cling to, but it's about proselytizing these cult errors to people that issues of truth and being offensive to a Bible believer arise.
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I apologize that you have been harmed by others professing to be of my denomination and hope you have not felt I have done any of the above to you. I do however feel that I would defend God's 10 Commandments as He did write them Himself with His own finger and as far as I know it is the only portion of the Bible He wrote Himself. So yes I will defend that. As these laws are the rules of His government. I am not saying that you have to obey them that is convection that should be brought to you by the Holy Spirit. But I am saying I must obey God rather than man and since He wrote those laws Himself it is important to me. I am following God. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.
 
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I am really trying to understand here truly I am trying to understand....since when are the 10 Commandments of God legalistic? Written in stone by God's own finger to me this means it is important, God wrote it not an inspired man....but God wrote it with His own finger on stone....How in the world is this legalistic?????


I and I am not speaking for you, but I MUST OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MAN.
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I posted scripture in this thread, abundantly clear as to Christian teaching with regards to sabbaths or any special days. You said Paul's a man, not Jesus, so there's where understanding ends. There is nothing I can do about this, if you do not accept the authority of all scripture as the inspired word of God, and in the context of the whole New Testament gospel and covenant. If you espouse what is contrary to Paul's teachings, it is rather I who am obeying God, not Ellen White. So, there's no clarity of the issues, unclear who your God is that contradicts Paul, contradicts Himself. Does at least this make sense?
 
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Just because we aren't friends, doesn't mean I don't have love for you, and will still pray God shows you the way. Friends is a strong word though, for those who are like minded in Christ. I'm not going to deceive people in to thinking " o, they're friends, they must be on the same page ", after the posts and the likes of post made today, shows a pretty clear cut of division. If some think they can't keep the Ten Commandments but they can be servants of Christ, they're confused.. I could hear this type of talk from worldly folks, that don't know any better, but for ones who " have been saved " know the word and say they still can't love God 24/7 or they're murders that go to church... I'm in complete disagreement... This isn't just about the sabbath as some have mentioned.. This is about ALL TEN Commandments.. As with everything I usually mention, pick a side, there is no grey area, there is no lukewarm in righteousness, choose your master and serve, period.
 
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JesusIsAll said:
I posted scripture in this thread, abundantly clear as to Christian teaching with regards to sabbaths or any special days. You said Paul's a man, not Jesus, so there's where understanding ends. There is nothing I can do about this, if you do not accept the authority of all scripture as the inspired word of God, and in the context of the whole New Testament gospel and covenant. If you espouse what is contrary to Paul's teachings, it is rather I who am obeying God, not Ellen White. So, there's no clarity of the issues, unclear who your God is that contradicts Paul, contradicts Himself. Does at least this make sense?
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I am not obeying Ellen White, I do believe the Bible was inspired by God, I haven't told you that you have to go to church on Sabbath, I just told you that God wrote the 10 Commandments with His own finger and the Bible says that.

Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit. You are projecting ideas and things on me that just aren't there. I have been badgered/bullied into stating I was a SDA and I not ashamed of it. I don't tell people they are going to hell like I have been told, each individual has to work out their own salvation with God it is an individual work and one must accept the sacrifice of Jesus who paid the price for our sins with His own death.

Again I am sorry for what other SDA's may have misrepresented to you. But I am of the opinion that we both have accepted Jesus as our Savior and He is working on us both to make us the perfect creations He intends for us to be. I would hope we are both seekers of truth....Thy word is truth that's the Bible as far as I understand and I don't believe you will ever find me quoting Ellen White as she is not the final authority God is. God said not Ellen White and even if you quote Paul it would still be God said.....
 
SoulWeaver

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@Brainfreeze
I think you misunderstood points of the other side completely. Even now you talk about not obeying God when nobody's saying not to obey God. Our works are getting better as we walk in Jesus but they are never perfect and fulfilled. The reason why I agree with gratefull is because we have no power ourselves to keep the commandments. It is done by grace by the increase of Jesus (and decrease of self).
Now if we dont disagree on this, I do apologize to you.
 
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SonOfGod76

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The law can not make a man righteous, its a speed limit sign for the man who likes to speed.
The law is the ministration of Death, no man can keep the law, only Jesus was able to conquer the law.
We are saved by Grace, a better convenant with better promises...The new convenant is Jesus Christ
which was ordained before the world was made any man who accepts the invitation to be saved
by Christ is the seed of Abraham.
 
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Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
 
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Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
 
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psychomom

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SoulWeaver said:
@Brainfreeze
I think you misunderstood points of the other side completely. Even now you talk about not obeying God when nobody's saying not to obey God. Our works are getting better as we walk in Jesus but they are never perfect and fulfilled. The reason why I agree with gratefull is because we have no power ourselves to keep the commandments. It is done by grace by the increase of Jesus (and decrease of self).
Now if we dont disagree on this, I do apologize to you.
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:)

and they're not even our works...

Phil 2:13
for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
 
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JesusIsAll said:
I posted scripture in this thread, abundantly clear as to Christian teaching with regards to sabbaths or any special days. You said Paul's a man, not Jesus, so there's where understanding ends. There is nothing I can do about this, if you do not accept the authority of all scripture as the inspired word of God, and in the context of the whole New Testament gospel and covenant. If you espouse what is contrary to Paul's teachings, it is rather I who am obeying God, not Ellen White. So, there's no clarity of the issues, unclear who your God is that contradicts Paul, contradicts Himself. Does at least this make sense?
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Everything is built upon a foundation.

The sciences are all built upon foundations...
core facts, principles, and theories.
Everything above the foundation rests on the stability of the foundation.

The arts are all built upon foundations...
core skills, techniques, and structures.
Everything above the foundation rests upon the stability of the foundation.

Religions are also built upon foundations...
core principles, and beliefs, and the prophets who deliver them.
Everything above the foundation rests upon the stability of the foundation.


The foundations of the SDA are William Miller and Ellen White.
These foundational prophets gave prophecies which did NOT come to pass.
According to Deutoronomy 18:22, this is God's sign of a false prophet.
A false prophet equals a false foundation... nothing good can be built upon a false foundation.

If the very foundation of a religion is bad,
it is pointless to discuss any doctrines built atop that bad foundation.
Doctrines, theologies, debates... anything built upon a bad foundation is pointless to discuss.
We need only check the foundation.
If the foundation is bad... the building is unsafe.

The God of the universe builds NOTHING upon a bad foundation.


The test of a false prophet:
Deu 18:22
"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."
 
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psychomom said:
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and they're not even our works...

Phil 2:13
for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
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Do you believe this is guidance and correction from the Creator

Or a kind of Spiritual robot

So if we can not do anything and make choices, how can we be held responsible for righteousness or evil?

This is to everyone here.
 
SoulWeaver

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Hizikyah said:
Do you believe this is guidance and correction from the Creator

Or a kind of Spiritual robot

So if we can not do anything and make choices, how can we be held responsible for righteousness or evil?

This is to everyone here.
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This choice is to give up my will for His... and we all do it daily...
 
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psychomom

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Hizikyah said:
Do you believe this is guidance and correction from the Creator

Or a kind of Spiritual robot

So if we can not do anything and make choices, how can we be held responsible for righteousness or evil?

This is to everyone here.
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hi there. :)

of course we make choices. :)
but i don't believe God will share HIS glory.

that's why He makes it clear to us that HE is the One doing all the good,
and we were (are) responsible for all our badness.

God, in Christ, has taken ultimate responsibility for my sins,
and God is the only One Who deserves any praise and glory for
anything good that's come out of my life since He saved me.

does that make sense? :)
 
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