Two Beasts

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yep said:
I find it mildly shocking that people who do not know what these prophecies mean claim to know anyway.
I know who the beast/image and false prophet are.
And none of you are correct.
The false prophet is in the past not the future.
I'm not going to go into it too deeply, as it will just add more noise to a gaggle of voices.
But here is your starting point

The roman catholic church is obviously the first beast that ruled for 42 biblical months.
1260 years that was cut short with the protestant revolution.
She got drunk on the blood of over 50 million saints.
The image of the beast is obviously protestant hence the horns of a "lamb".
England rules USA behind the scenes.Hence one beast with 2 horns.
So the 2 horns are England USa, if it is referring to cities, then washington/London.
And for the false prophet all you need do is look to the esteric religion of British freemasonry
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The bible also said that the second beast is rule for 42 month, is that mean England USA also rule for 1260 years?

The bible said second beast start rule after the first beast. If you say second beast is USA, and the first beast stop reign in 1500'S Then USA must start reign in the 1500's

the fact is usa as a country only 200 + years.
 
My bible doesnt say that.
It says the the image rises at the fall of the first beast.
Which occurred in 1798 when the Roman Church fell.
The image will hand the lamb back to the pope.
Which is happening now
I like Kenneths explanation as England as the Lion, rather than Babylon.
 
yep said:
I find it mildly shocking that people who do not know what these prophecies mean claim to know anyway.
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"I am not shocked at all - it is the natural normal occurance around here..." ;)


yep said:
The roman catholic church is obviously the first beast that ruled for 42 biblical months.
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I would tend to agree with this statement. I believe that Revelation 13:5-7 is describing past history -- specifically, the 1260 years from 538 A.D. to 1798 A.D. -- when the Holy Roman Empire [ essentially ] ruled the earth.

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kennethcadwell said:
I am going to talk about Daniel 7:4, and most people probably will not accept what I write as some are stuck in main stream thought process when it comes to prophecy. And only a few have come to this recently, and this chapter refers to kingdoms that arise from then tell the last days. This being said let me start by showing now day symbolism used for countries.

Eagle - United States
Lion - Great Britain
Bear - Russia

Now lets look at verse 4 in chapter 7 of Daniel;

Daniel 7:4
The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Now I know some will stick with the old thought this is Babylon and the power it had, but as you can see from verse 1 Babylon already existed and this was King Belshaazzar first year as king of Babylon. Now lets break this scripture down using the symbolism I gave.


The first was like a lion : This is Great Britain

had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked : United States is the eagle, and it broke away from Britain.

made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it : United States has another symbol, Uncle Sam.

Now I know this can be taken the old fashion way, that the lion is Babylon and the other beast could be all middle east kingdoms as well. But look how easy we can match this up, not to mention Russia as the bear.
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My point on showing this was because the prophecy in Daniel 7 was for future rises of kingdoms. Now when you look at Revelation 13 we see this same picture of this beast leopard, bear, and lion combined, but there is no more eagle wings pictured here. The eagle wings to me can not be viewed as power, for Daniel 7 shows them rising at different times, Revelation 13 shows them combined in power. No eagle though, because the eagle broke away in the past and became the U.S.
The only other time we see the eagle mentioned in scripture is Revelation 12;

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


If we place Israel as the woman here, as the bible does use woman as symbolism for Israel. Then we can see that the eagle is once again the U.S., because America has been the biggest supporter and protector of Israel. So we can see the U.S. will protect her for 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, so by this we will still be here during the tribulation and we will be on the side of Israel still.
 
yep said:
My bible doesnt say that.
It says the the image rises at the fall of the first beast.
Which occurred in 1798 when the Roman Church fell.
The image will hand the lamb back to the pope.
Which is happening now
I like Kenneths explanation as England as the Lion, rather than Babylon.
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If I understand correctly, Roman is first beast and fall in 1798 than the second beast is Pope and start reign in 1798.


If the duration of second beast is 1260 years, then will end in 3258.

And this is second term of tribulation.

The bible said in second term of tribulation every body must have the mark 666. Now we don't have the mark yet
 
jackson by strange coincidence I know what I know from decoding 666. Its actually a simple code if you read the bible instructions rather than copy men's decoding.Most of us have already taken the mark.I have anyway

Kenneth England is the lion and Scotland the unicorn in an earthly sense. So Greqt Britain is Lion and Unicorn.
But speaking with the mouth of the lion has always seemed consistent with the English language to me.But biblical scholars say it means Babylon.

If America was the wilderness for 1260 years that would make the native American Indians the church would it not?
Germany is also represented by an eagle. And so was Rome.I haven't helped.Just made it more confusing.But I can't imagine the native American Indians were the christian church for that period.

Israel was created by England and is a Crown owned company to this day.
I wonder tht only American christians care about Israel or place it in prophecy.The flag itself represents mystery Babylon.
a satanic religion.And these jews are not related for the most part to the 12 tribes anyway.

When I read Israel I see the seed of Abraham whch is everyone who follows Jesus Christ.
 
Jackson can you quote the biblical passage you refer to as saying the image of the beast rises and rules for 1260 years?
My understanding is the creation is only to last 6000 years in total. And we are near that now
 
Kenneth today's Israel was so named by England.Specificaly the papal knights of St John who control London/the law/ and Crown Company governments.
It stands to reason, to me anyhow, that these satan worshippors are trying to place their own objectives into prophecy.Are aware of prophecy and called Palestine "Israel" with full knowledge of Revelations.
To create an earthly counterfeit of spiritual Israel.
And hence the zionist myth of an earthly temple being built in JErusalem etc
 
yep said:
Jackson can you quote the biblical passage you refer to as saying the image of the beast rises and rules for 1260 years?
My understanding is the creation is only to last 6000 years in total. And we are near that now
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I may don't understand correctly what your posting about.
Your said first beast end in 1500's.
And when the first beast start? The bible also state the first beast will reign for 42 months.

, the bible said the second beast will rule for 42 months.

How you explain If the second beast start in the 1500's + 42 months, then the second coming.

Now the second coming is not happen yet.
 
Well I explain it Jackson as prophecy explains it.
Someone earlier in this thread confirmed the prophecy fulfilled for 1260 years reign ( or 42 months) of the Roman Church.
538 A.D. to 1798.
But in prophecy it says its time is cut short. Which to me means it is given power over the saints to overcome them until the 1260 year reign is over (which is 1798) but its time is cut short so its power waned prior to the 1260 years.
Which explains protestant victories from the 1500s/1600s until finally the Roma Church suffered a mortal wound in 1798

As far as Jesus returning is concerned a few prophecised events need to occur first, to my mind.
One of those as you pointed out earlier is the loud cry of the mark of the beast.
As I know what that is referring to myself, it cant be too long before the loud cry calls us out of the beast.
the beast is communism by the way, but a voluntary form not the Stalinist form. Fabianism which is the English flavour we are living in now. And have been for a couple generations. That is the nature of the beast at any rate. And its my belief that it is being controlled by London. And this is the image of the beast.They control USA and have always done so.
Which may not make sense to Americans because they do not see the motivation for the revolution.
But there was one if you understand the British Constitution.

Anyhow this image doesn't rule for aspcified exact time according to revelations as far as I am aware.
Because when it ends its rule Jesus will return with a host of Angels and no man may know that day.
 
If anyone wants to know the decoding of the mark666 message me. And I'll invite you to my website for that purpose.
You'll soon see it is self evidently true.
But requires some explanantion because men arent wise these days
I have grave reservations about publishing this far and wide and wish to discusss with other men (protestant christian) before doing so. And be reproved through more than just my own perspetive.
I figure I only need a dozen or so men. Well maybe even just 3, to filter out my own motivation and leave what should be left.
There is a forum for that purpose on the site.And currently no members. Its new.

The mark according to my decoding is calling us out of the legal/financial matrix of our countries. Which is a big deal. And would disrupt lives maybe endanger imprisonment etc.
So that isnt something I want to say on my own
 
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yep said:
Well I explain it Jackson as prophecy explains it.
Someone earlier in this thread confirmed the prophecy fulfilled for 1260 years reign ( or 42 months) of the Roman Church.
538 A.D. to 1798.
But in prophecy it says its time is cut short. Which to me means it is given power over the saints to overcome them until the 1260 year reign is over (which is 1798) but its time is cut short so its power waned prior to the 1260 years.
Which explains protestant victories from the 1500s/1600s until finally the Roma Church suffered a mortal wound in 1798

As far as Jesus returning is concerned a few prophecised events need to occur first, to my mind.
One of those as you pointed out earlier is the loud cry of the mark of the beast.
As I know what that is referring to myself, it cant be too long before the loud cry calls us out of the beast.
the beast is communism by the way, but a voluntary form not the Stalinist form. Fabianism which is the English flavour we are living in now. And have been for a couple generations. That is the nature of the beast at any rate. And its my belief that it is being controlled by London. And this is the image of the beast.They control USA and have always done so.
Which may not make sense to Americans because they do not see the motivation for the revolution.
But there was one if you understand the British Constitution.

Anyhow this image doesn't rule for aspcified exact time according to revelations as far as I am aware.
Because when it ends its rule Jesus will return with a host of Angels and no man may know that day.
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This scenario is difficult to explain the biblical given characteristics,


1. The first and the second beast has the same reign. If the first 1260 years both also 1260 years.


2. If it is now time of the second beast, why Christians can still buy and sale.
 
Jackson123 said:
I may don't understand correctly what your posting about.
Your said first beast end in 1500's.
And when the first beast start? The bible also state the first beast will reign for 42 months.

, the bible said the second beast will rule for 42 months.

How you explain If the second beast start in the 1500's + 42 months, then the second coming.

Now the second coming is not happen yet.
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Where does the Bible say the 2nd beast of Revelation 13 will rule for 42 months?
 
About new world order system is communist, I do agree.

Communist start by Catholic, they make experiment in Paraguay for more then 150 years before spreed they teaching to Karl Marx etc


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    This web bellow is from Catholic it self, they explain paraguay reduction economic basis is sort of communist . the tree best seller author, and catholic himself, Avro manhattan, said that communist leader like Karl Mark, Stalin, Mo Che Dong are trained by Jesuit.
    It is documented and before 1972 we can found this document in London museum.

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    (1) Conditions of Property
    The economic basis was a sort of communism, which, however differed materially from the modern system which bears the same name, and was essentially theocratic. "The Jesuits", writes Gelpi y Ferro, "realized in their Christian commonwealth all that is good and nothing that is bad in the plans of modern Socialists and Communists." The land and all that stood upon it was the property of the community.


 
Laodicea said:
Where does the Bible say the 2nd beast of Revelation 13 will rule for 42 months?
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Good question.

I believe the tribulation will be 7 years and if the first beast took 42 month than another 42 months remain for the second beast.


Daniel 9:27 - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
Jackson123 said:
Good question.

I believe the tribulation will be 7 years and if the first beast took 42 month than another 42 months remain for the second beast.


Daniel 9:27 - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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That verse says nothing of a 7 year tribulation and is not connected to the 2nd beast of Revelation 13. The first beast of Revelation 13 clearly tells us the time it would reign but, the 2nd beast has no time period mentioned.
 
I agree with LAodecia

But I also agree about the jesuits, there was another much bigger communist experiment going on in the world at the time -that history seems to have forgotten about however.
And it is perhaps more relevant to the mark of the beast version of communism. than the Paraguay Reductions

Its is nigh on impossible for me to sell my sheep or even own sheep without government inteferencce. Fabian communism stealing part of my private property, or insisting on controlling the sale thereof.
If I dont submit to thieves and traitors using the coloour of law to buy and sell my sheep I will be shut down, even imprisoned and lose everything.
I dont think this mark is in the future.
I think we have all taken it in the past 2 generations.
And when we realise that we have as the Loud CRy od the 3rd angel exposes it, we will have to choose.
Continue to submit to unlawful legislation oftreasonous defacto governments. Or refuse to.
And it will be a much tougher decision to make than you might at first think.
 
communism is Roman Catholicism is freemasonry. They are each the same thing.
Each a little different to what is commonly perceived.
They are all based on the same source and are the recreation of the challenge to god made at the tower of babel.
In undersstanding that you then understand the importance of refusing voluntary communism aka Fabianism.Which has been implemented in protestant countries contrary to law

We have accepted it in ignorance, unaware we had a choice because we trusted lawyers and policy makers.
We trsuted experts and authhoeirty figures as we once did under the pope.
Followed man not god
 
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