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K
Yes I did, and I was responding to the context of Matthew 24:48-51.
For this is saying those who are still living in unbelief, and are showing it by their actions and works. A belief in a certain time of the rapture to happen is not an action or a work. An action or work of unbelief would be treating others badly, not obeying the Lord's commands, and walking in willful sin.
Believing rather the rapture is pre/mid/or post is not a command from the Lord, nor is it stated by Him as a salvation issue. It also is not an act of sin or harsh treatment toward others.
As for the other scriptures you showed, you showed how believers will be in the tribulation being persecuted and killed by the antichrist. This shows no pre-trib rapture either, or these believers would not be here to be persecuted or killed.
Then if you take and say like you have been that they were left do to not believing in a pre-trib, even though their faith was still in the Lord. Then you claim the Lord our God shows favoritism, which He doesn't !!!
Acts 10:34
Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
Romans 2:11
For God does not show favoritism.
God has already revealed spiritual Truth in his Word, and if you abide by one self-evident Biblical principle, you can avoid many errors in personal interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles:
all personal and, therefore, non-authoritative interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles which contradicts authoritative NT teaching is in error.
But that requires a working knowledge of the entire NT.
However, any view regarding things Biblical, not just unfulfilled prophetic riddles, requires a working knowledge of all the Scriptures for a plumb line to measure against error.
all personal and, therefore, non-authoritative interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles which contradicts authoritative NT teaching is in error.
But that requires a working knowledge of the entire NT.
However, any view regarding things Biblical, not just unfulfilled prophetic riddles, requires a working knowledge of all the Scriptures for a plumb line to measure against error.
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ah another debate about the rapture eh? the rapture seems to be one of the most debated and misunderstood subject in the bible. honestly does it even matter if it's pretribe or not? does it affect our salvation? or our love with jesus? I no longer concern myself of when the rapture is I focus on seeking the Lords heart. it doesn't matter to me if it happens before the tribulation or if I have to go through the tribulation. Honestly it would be an honor to serve God in the tribulation and I also would love to go home asap. but either way I know that something big is coming and that we are going to have to be strong when it comes now whether that is the rapture, or the tribulation or God's judgement coming to earth idk but all I know is that we have to have our hearts armed and ready for when it comes
There was no confrontation whatsoever at all in my post.....it seems that you get easily offended sometimes and start posting posts like the one here....I stated the facts as to why I believe what I believe (summarized that is) and if it offends you and what you say is true then why did you even enter this thread and post your original statement?
My experience was a little different, but with the same outcome.
I had read the whole Bible before I ever heard of a pre-tribulation rapture, etc.
When I heard of it, my first thought was, I don't remember seeing that anywhere in the Bible.
How did I miss it?
So I went back to look for it and could not find one verse that specifically located the rapture
before the "tribulation."
And I was so relieved to later learn I was not the only one who could not find it in Scripture.
So I don't believe it either, and have never believed it.
I had read the whole Bible before I ever heard of a pre-tribulation rapture, etc.
When I heard of it, my first thought was, I don't remember seeing that anywhere in the Bible.
How did I miss it?
So I went back to look for it and could not find one verse that specifically located the rapture
before the "tribulation."
And I was so relieved to later learn I was not the only one who could not find it in Scripture.
So I don't believe it either, and have never believed it.
K
Yes but the belief or unbelief is not in a timing of a rapture.
Your faith is rather you believe in Him or not.
If you are going to say believers will be left behind because they don't believe in a pre-trib timing of the rapture, then you might as well say believers will be left behind for not believing in following His command to be baptized.
It's more to it then that. When a person does not believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture, they are not preparing themselves spiritually in the fact that He could return at any hour or day that they do not know. They are not looking for Him and therefore, they will be caught by surprise to the Lord's return. It is a parallel of the Global Flood. Those who did not believe in the preaching of Noah's coming Judgment perished in the flood.
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to my knowledge, John also specifically said that the Antichrist is also come from within/when out from us. This is important factor to remember, because we can't put or take what the word said.
Of course the Antichrist is again Christ. To conceal his identity he may said Jesus is God, If he said Jesus not God then every body know he is Antichrist.
But he reduce and twist the teaching of God and try to rebel to the Lord by saying He is the representative of Christ on Earth.
To be rebel to the Lord/against the Lord not only state Jesus is not God. He may not state but disguised deny Christ. It is more danger than openly state deny Jesus.
Of course the Antichrist is again Christ. To conceal his identity he may said Jesus is God, If he said Jesus not God then every body know he is Antichrist.
But he reduce and twist the teaching of God and try to rebel to the Lord by saying He is the representative of Christ on Earth.
To be rebel to the Lord/against the Lord not only state Jesus is not God. He may not state but disguised deny Christ. It is more danger than openly state deny Jesus.
K
That is completely not true !!!
I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture yet I live everyday for the love of God.
Showing love, forgiveness, and mercy to others as He told us we should do.
Those who perished in the flood were all of a evil generation of unbelievers, Noah and his family were the only ones just that God saved so that the world could be repopulated in His name. Then He made a promise that He would not wipe everybody out like that again.
A
Yup ... re-populated with 100% sin-laden evil-doers!
(Ha, watch the fur fly now!)
Just a heads-up ...
As soon as they climbed out of the ark, God said:
"the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth" (Gen 8:21).
Same-o, same-o! ... The beat goes on! ... Man's inherited sin nature still goin' strong!
Praise the Lord.
(Ha, watch the fur fly now!)
Just a heads-up ...
As soon as they climbed out of the ark, God said:
"the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth" (Gen 8:21).
Same-o, same-o! ... The beat goes on! ... Man's inherited sin nature still goin' strong!
Praise the Lord.
S
This is where you go too far. Do we prepare our hearts just because He could rapture us at any time, or because He could take us at any time? We do not know how many days hours or minutes we have left in our lives.
Actually, the motivation for preparing our hearts has nothing to do with either, but out of love for our saviour. A Believer is not afraid of the Coming, or of death, because their heart is already prepared. Post or Pre trib does not affect one's understanding of imminence. Death is also imminent.
Actually, the motivation for preparing our hearts has nothing to do with either, but out of love for our saviour. A Believer is not afraid of the Coming, or of death, because their heart is already prepared. Post or Pre trib does not affect one's understanding of imminence. Death is also imminent.
No, I don't believe I haven't gone too far, my dear lady. Scripture says those who think the Lord delays his coming with that of an evil servant. For they were not watching and wating for his return. See. Folks who think the Lord is coming later ARE NOT watching for His return and looking for that blessed hope. I am looking for that blessed hope. I know folks will miss out on it because of unbelief in God's Word AND in not preparing themselves along with looking for Him. In other words, a person can prepare in being righteous for God, but if they do not actually believe correctly according to the Scriptures, then their faith is not grounded properly in God's Word by the Spirit.