Does Acts 2:38 mean we have to be baptized to get into Heaven? -Debate

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Jabberjaw

Jabberjaw

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Word_Swordsman said:
Matthew 28:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Did you know Jesus didn't baptize anyone in water. Since all He spoke or did came from the Father, did He break a commandment by doing this....John 4:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

At that time His disciples included a number of John's disciples. He allowed them to water baptize. Jesus baptizes in the Holy Spirit.
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There are two recorded baptisms of the Holy Spirit, one on Pentecost to the Jew, the other the house of Cornelius the Gentiles to show God was not a respecter of person :

Acts 10:34 (KJV)
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

You or nobody today have been baptized by Jesus...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jabberjaw said:
Try reading the bible instead of spitting out your lukewarm man made doctrine :

Acts 2:38 (NKJV) Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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lol. Again with your english text (which is faulty)

Peter told everyone to repent, and they would recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit (3rd person singular) he told only certain people to be baptized, for the remission of sin (because they had received the remission of sin (2nd person plural)

nice try though.

Peter said the same thing elswhere to other people. yet left the word baptised out, why is that if baptism is required.

Acts 3:19

Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

remmision of sin comes from repentance, not baptism.
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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americans? watch sinful people on tv all day. they seem to seek out sin and love it. (and pay big dollars for it) go figure......
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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Jabberjaw said:
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You or nobody today have been baptized by Jesus...
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....... that you are aware of. the Bible says more about this. but since simple burial in water is such a fuss, .... "if the things seen on this world are not understood, how then can anyone understand the things not seen...."
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jabberjaw said:
Again you fail to read your bible and spout your man made doctrine, John the baptist was like any other disciple, he could only baptize with water, he said Jesus could baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire...

Matthew 3:11 (NKJV)
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Christ told the disciples to baptize you, he did not say he would baptize you :

Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
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and you prove again how sad your reading skills are.

John did not say jesus COULD baptise with the HS and fire.

he said HE WOULD.

Matthew 3:11 (NKJV)
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
 
Jabberjaw

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eternally-gratefull said:

lol. Again with your english text (which is faulty)

Peter told everyone to repent, and they would recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit (3rd person singular) he told only certain people to be baptized, for the remission of sin (because they had received the remission of sin (2nd person plural)

nice try though.

Peter said the same thing elswhere to other people. yet left the word baptised out, why is that if baptism is required.

Acts 3:19

Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

remmision of sin comes from repentance, not baptism.
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If you don't know how to read Acts 2:38, how could you understand what "converted" means in Acts 3:19?

Peter said the same thing showing only a pause or break in thought, he said "Repent all of you", then told them "each one of you" be baptized, now you can go to the Greek or the English and it says the same thing, both address the same people in person and number...
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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all the repented were immersed(buried) in water. the reason it's not repeated a thousand times is the same reason that when it is repeated a thousand times like on this forum it is not listened to.

eternally-gratefull said:
........Acts 3:19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,
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Jabberjaw

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eternally-gratefull said:
and you prove again how sad your reading skills are.

John did not say jesus COULD baptise with the HS and fire.

he said HE WOULD.

Matthew 3:11 (NKJV)
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
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Yep, and with the HS He did, once to the apostles, and once to the house of Cornelius, He did not baptize you, don't flatter yourself...

Maybe you can show me where He baptized with fire? (it has not yet been done under this sun)
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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Jabberjaw said:
......., both address the same people in person and number...
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as in Scripture, so too on sesame street. the little children understand. yes , and amein. ....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jeff_peacemkr said:
all the repented were immersed(buried) in water. the reason it's not repeated a thousand times is the same reason that when it is repeated a thousand times like on this forum it is not listened to.
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lol. No only those who repented were baptized.

The reason it is not repeated is it is not required.

Peter would not leave a very important aspect of salvation out. the people in chapter 5 did not have chapter 2 to even contemplate that baptism was or could be required.

You people need to stop. your making yourself look bad.
 
Jabberjaw

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jeff_peacemkr said:
all the repented were immersed(buried) in water. the reason it's not repeated a thousand times is the same reason that when it is repeated a thousand times like on this forum it is not listened to.
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Yes, to be converted is one who has heard the Gospel, believed it, repented of their evil ways, confess Jesus is the Christ, and is water baptized washing away their sins (converted, blotting out their sins)
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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maybe opposites? "WHO" for instance, in the NT, did not accept Jesus. What was their position in baptism ?
 
Jabberjaw

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eternally-gratefull said:
lol. No only those who repented were baptized.

The reason it is not repeated is it is not required.

Peter would not leave a very important aspect of salvation out. the people in chapter 5 did not have chapter 2 to even contemplate that baptism was or could be required.

You people need to stop. your making yourself look bad.
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So now you are trying to say "repent" and "baptized" is the same thing? your literary skills have little to be desired...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jabberjaw said:
If you don't know how to read Acts 2:38, how could you understand what "converted" means in Acts 3:19?

Peter said the same thing showing only a pause or break in thought, he said "Repent all of you", then told them "each one of you" be baptized, now you can go to the Greek or the English and it says the same thing, both address the same people in person and number...
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Paul did not say baptize in acts 5.. slam dunk, you can twist it any way you wish, but this proves it, Peter did not make a mistake and leave baptism out.

If you could read acts 2 like peter said it, you would understand why he did not say it in acts 5.

Only blood can blot out the stain of sin, not water. it does not blot out anything, it can not even wash away the filth of the flesh, as peter says. it is only a good conscious towards the God who saved us,
 
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"Luke 7:29 (When all the people heard this, and the tax collectors too, they declared God just, ...."

Jabberjaw said:
Yes, to be converted is one who has heard the Gospel, believed it, repented of their evil ways, confess Jesus is the Christ, and is water baptized washing away their sins (converted, blotting out their sins)
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eternally-gratefull

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Jabberjaw said:
So now you are trying to say "repent" and "baptized" is the same thing? your literary skills have little to be desired...
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wow, are you so deep against the wall this is all you have?

thats what is funny when one is shown truth, they start to speak nonsense, because they run out of reasons and excuses to back their claim.
 
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jeff_peacemkr said:
maybe opposites? "WHO" for instance, in the NT, did not accept Jesus. What was their position in baptism ?
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none of them is going to like this.
LUke 7:29 [c] having been baptized with the baptism of John, 30 but the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected the purpose of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.)
 
Jabberjaw

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eternally-gratefull said:
wow, are you so deep against the wall this is all you have?

thats what is funny when one is shown truth, they start to speak nonsense, because they run out of reasons and excuses to back their claim.
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Me? I am not the one claiming baptism and repentance are the same, the bible disagrees with you, it says to first repent, then be baptized, they cannot be done at the same point in time.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jabberjaw said:
Yep, and with the HS He did, once to the apostles, and once to the house of Cornelius, He did not baptize you, don't flatter yourself...

Maybe you can show me where He baptized with fire? (it has not yet been done under this sun)
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lol..
1. The disciples did not here John say this most likely, so john was not talking to the disciples.
2. The gentiles most definately did not hear John say this, so the "who" could not besaid to them.

The WHO (will be baptised with the holy spirit) is EVERYONE JOHN SPOKE TO. .

Your literary skills are not only lacking, they are at a kindergarden level.

If jesus did not baptise me, I am still dead in my sin, plain and simple.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jabberjaw said:
Me? I am not the one claiming baptism and repentance are the same, the bible disagrees with you, it says to first repent, then be baptized, they cannot be done at the same point in time.
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I am not claiming it either, your response is nonsense because you have nothing else.

if anything you are claiming they are the same, by saying it is inferred in acts 5. so your argument comes back at you (you to blind to even see this)
 
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