Are you saying that Scriptures does not teach anything plainly?
You know that I said no such thing, so don't play with my words...it's unbecoming of one who professes to know Christ.
DiscipleDave said:
You do not know the Truth.
Unlike you, yes, I do...as I'll prove momentarily.
DiscipleDave said:
Tell me, where is Christ now?
He's seated at the Father's right hand in heaven and also dwelling within His people via His Spirit.
DiscipleDave said:
Where is the Father right now?
In heaven and also within His people via His Spirit.
DiscipleDave said:
When Jesus was taken up to Heaven, where did He go?
He went to heaven.
DiscipleDave said:
He is preparing the New City Jerusalem, where is He doing that right now?
He is NOT "preparing the New City Jerusalem", so your question is invalid. In fact, said "City" has already been prepared:
"But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city." (Hebrews 11:16)
"...for He HATH PREPARED for them a city" and NOT "...for He WILL PREPARE for them a city" or "...for He IS PREPARING for them a city".
Futhermore, nearly two thousand years ago, Paul said:
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." (Galatians 4:26)
This "Jerusalem which IS ABOVE" was already "free" and it already was or "IS the mother of us all", so what are you going on about? Along these same lines, we read:
"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect," (Hebrews 12:22-23)
Seeing how nearly 2,000 years ago these Hebrew Christians HAD ALREADY COME "unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem", how is Jesus allegedly "preparing the New City Jerusalem...right now"? He isn't...and don't bother citing me John 14:2-3 unless you want to be schooled on that as well.
DiscipleDave said:
Are we not instructed to pray. Our Father which art in Heaven. Where does Scriptures plainly teach He is at? IN HEAVEN.
Yes, and...??? Where did I ever state, suggest or imply otherwise? Nowhere...but you're still in error as I'll further prove in just a moment.
DiscipleDave said:
It is True Heaven will come to Earth when Jesus brings it with Him.
No, it isn't. When Jesus "comes to earth", He will usher in His Millennial or 1,000 year reign. Well, what happens at the end of said reign? There's no need to guess:
Revelation chapter 20
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
If "Jesus brings heaven to earth with Him when He comes" as you allege, then how the heck does "fire come down FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN" at the end of His Millennial Reign? Like I said, unlike you, I know the truth.
DiscipleDave said:
Know you not, that wherever the Father is, is where Heaven is at?
No, I know no such thing and neither do you.
I have some questions for you:
Was "the Father" in Jesus?
Of course, He was.
Well, then why did Jesus pray to His Father "in heaven"?
IOW, "if wherever the Father is, is where heaven is at", as you allege, then was "heaven" in Jesus?
It's nonsense.
DiscipleDave said:
The Kingdom of Heaven will come to the Earth, This is True, when the New City Jerusalem comes with Jesus Christ, the Father is in that City, that is why no wicked human will be able to enter into that City, because the Father can't look upon sinfulness. Just because the Bible plainly teaches that Heaven will come to Earth, does not mean it does not exist.
Although it is true that "the kingdom of heaven will come to earth", it is NOT true "that heaven will come to earth". Again, in relation to "the New Jerusalem", we read:
"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Revelation 21:2)
There's a big difference between "the holy city, new Jerusalem, COMING DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN" and "heaven itself coming to earth".
DiscipleDave said:
And you do error in thinking what i was saying was talking about the location of Heaven, i merely was talking about the Spirit either residing in Heaven for eternity or for eternity separated from Him. But if you would like to discuss the location of Heaven, you or i can start another thread concerning that topic, just let me know.
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I've erred in nothing. You're just backpedaling. Anyhow, I already know "about the location of heaven", so no new thread is necessary.
Anyhow, my advice to you would be this:
Drop this whole "I'm God's mouthpiece and you'd better all listen to me because I've come to tell you the truth" spiel. Personally, I don't suffer proud heretics lightly and, more importantly, neither does God.