Sunday Keepers Dare to explain this

ELECT · Dec 30, 2014

Irrelevant. Throughout the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus quoted every single one of the Ten Commandments except the Fifth. The Sabbath day given the Jews was irrelevant to the Gentiles, as evidenced by the requirements the Council of Jerusalem saw fit to place upon the Gentiles.

Acts 15, NASB
19 "Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,
20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood."

In the letter sent to them, quoted in Acts 15:23-29, that that would be the only things the Gentiles be burdened with, which was appropriate since God's chosen people, the Jews, could not even keep the Law themselves. It made no sense to them, or God, to burden them with failed Laws and requirements when the only thing required for salvation was and is belief on Jesus Christ.

is it lawful to take a man wife ?
is it lawful to do good or evil on the sabbath ?

ELECT · Dec 30, 2014

passinthru said:

We can REST in God every day .... Sabbath is rest my friend . Can we treust Him enough to enter into His rest that he has provided us through the blood of Jesus or do we still feel we need to earn a gift that we accepted already? The Gift of life in Christ Jesus is not based on days. lets praise God for what he has done and worship him in spirit and in truth. Love is God and God is Love.
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Why is Lord supper important then ? is it not a day ?

RachelBibleStudent · Dec 30, 2014

ELECT said:

'from one new moon to another' and 'from one sabbath to another' do not imply that anyone is actually doing any specific religious observance on the new moon and sabbath during the time being described in the text...

instead all that can be gathered from the text is that the new moons and sabbaths are being used to mark time...the phrases are the equivalent of someone saying 'month after month' or 'week after week' in english...

those who argue that this passage proves an eternal observance of ceremonial days actually have a major problem in this text...namely why is there no mention of the passover or sukkot or any of the other feasts? are the annual feasts -not- going to be observed in the new heaven and new earth?

RachelBibleStudent · Dec 30, 2014

ELECT said:

but mark 16:9 -is- proof that jesus rose on sunday...

"Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

and before anyone predictably starts playing the 'move the comma' game with this verse...here is a literal translation from the greek where the text leaves no such 'wiggle room'...

"And rising early on the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary the Magdalene, from whom he had expelled seven demons."

EbalT5 · Dec 30, 2014

RachelBibleStudent said:

Ezekiel 44:24New American Standard Bible (NASB) [SUP]24 [/SUP]In a dispute they shall take their stand to judge; they shall judge it according to My ordinances. They shall also keep My laws and My statutes in all My appointed feasts and sanctify My sabbaths.

Isn't this prophecy for the future?

Ezekiel 45:17New American Standard Bible (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]It shall be the prince’s part to provide the burnt offerings, the grain offerings and the drink offerings, at the feasts, on the new moons and on the sabbaths, at all the appointed feasts of the house of Israel; he shall provide the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering and the peace offerings, to make atonement for the house of Israel.”

Ezekiel 45:21New American Standard Bible (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall have the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

ELECT · Dec 30, 2014

RachelBibleStudent said:

but mark 16:9 -is- proof that jesus rose on sunday...

"Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

and before anyone predictably starts playing the 'move the comma' game with this verse...here is a literal translation from the greek where the text leaves no such 'wiggle room'...

"And rising early on the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary the Magdalene, from whom he had expelled seven demons."

you were saying

ELECT · Dec 30, 2014

FIRE_of_ELIJAH said:

are the proverbs for us NT christians today ?

Kerry · Dec 31, 2014

ELECT said:

Well it was written by the wisest man that has ever lived other than Christ, so I'd be listening.

Mitspa · Dec 31, 2014

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread,Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come

Ga 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Kaycie · Dec 31, 2014

I hope not to sound disrespectful or argumentive in any way, but i disagree. You are using the old law to prove we are still under the old law? With all due respect, of course the old law is going to say what the old law says. The bible says we need to rightfully divide the Word of Truth- you can't pick things out of old testament times and wedge them into new testament times. Christ nailed the old law to the cross and said it is finished.

weakness · Dec 31, 2014

Hizikyah said:

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

Mark of Yahweh or....

Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no rest night and day, who worship the beast and his likeness..."

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.[/QUOTE A lot of talk iv'e heard today, in several threads speaks of the changing of times and seasons being the RCC changing the Sabboth from Sat. to Sun. Does anybody consider daylight savings time as being a changing of times?Just wondering I have thought about it several times.

weakness · Dec 31, 2014

Servant_of_God said:

They promise liberty but are servants of destruction.

Mitspa · Dec 31, 2014

weakness said:

Hizikyah said:

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

Mark of Yahweh or....

Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no rest night and day, who worship the beast and his likeness..."

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.[/QUOTE A lot of talk iv'e heard today, in several threads speaks of the changing of times and seasons being the RCC changing the Sabboth from Sat. to Sun. Does anybody consider daylight savings time as being a changing of times?Just wondering I have thought about it several times.

I have posted several scriptures that prove the first church was meeting on the first day of the week...anyone who can read can see them...can you post Any WHERE the New Testament Church was ever meeting on Saturday? Which is the day of Saturn...by the way

weakness · Dec 31, 2014

Mitspa said:

You read it and all the other accounts and its absolute and clear it was the first day of the week and the Church always would meet on the first day of the week! [/QUOTEThe Church, or the body of our lord did not only meet on the first day of the week, in Acts they met daily going from house to house, and met in the temple, in prison, by the sea,in a room late at night,and probobly many more places. The grace of the Father is new every morning,AM and PM , he is always with us,we can call on him any time.If the Holy Spirit is in us, it's Church all the time. We serve a living God, ever present.

weakness · Dec 31, 2014

Mitspa said:

weakness said:

I have posted several scriptures that prove the first church was meeting on the first day of the week...anyone who can read can see them...can you post Any WHERE the New Testament Church was ever meeting on Saturday? Which is the day of Saturn...by the way[/QUOTE I don't care!!! I worship the Father when and were ever I'm led to. To many people think Church or church day is their relationship with God, and it probobly is for them. What are you trying to prove that you didn't say pages ago. By the way Sunday is the day of the SunGod.

Mitspa · Dec 31, 2014

weakness said:

Mitspa said:

post the scripture and the Holy Spirit recorded the day they met to establish the truth the we are to live by. Clearly the Holy Spirit shows us the first day of the week is and was the day of fellowship and communion....as it was the day the Lord was raised.

Mitspa · Dec 31, 2014

weakness said:

Mitspa said:

weakness said:

Saturday is the day of Saturn....

weakness · Dec 31, 2014

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the lord; and he who regardeth not the day, to the lord he doth not regard it. (4) Who art though that judges another man's servant? To his own master he rises or falls. Ye he shall be holded up , for God is able to make him stand. (7) For no man lives unto himself, and no man dies unto himself. For whether we live or die , we live or die unto the lord(14) I know and am persuaded by the lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean(22) Hast though faith? Have it to thyself before God. Happy is he who condemeth not himself in that thing that he alloweth. Gods love and peace be with you

prove-all · Dec 31, 2014

Mitspa said:

weakness said:

those 8 scriptures (do not) prove the change of 7 day sabbath to the first day of the week.

God named days of the week one through seven, who cares what man calls or names them.

8 verses of first day of the week, do a search in the bible of the sabbath day, how many do you find

posthuman · Dec 31, 2014

um, if i say tomorrow is the first day of January, that doesn't imply i'm bowing down before Janus. just that i'm speaking a common language.

all the same, if anyone knows of "kosher" names for the days of the week and months of the year, i'm interested to hear them

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