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He cleansed the pig? Here I thought he cleansed our hearts and minds....
Oh and the curse is still devouring the earth:
Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
ok... im really leave it alone now
Oh and the curse is still devouring the earth:
Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
ok... im really leave it alone now
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Southern baptist, that explains a lot as I come from a history of 15 years in a Baptist church.
The Southern baptist for many years wanted to keep strict restrictions on people, containing some of the OT ordinances that do not apply under the new covenant. And even telling people when they come to church women had to be in dresses and men in suits and ties. They have slowly broken away from that, as others have broke away from that to the truth that all food is now acceptable when received in thanksgiving and prayed over.
You will still find some of these strict churches out there, but until every believer opens their eyes and realizes that changes were made from the old covenant to the new covenant these debates will continue.
I don't know how many Christians I have come across that still believe in an eye for an eye !!!
God gave mankind as food every living thing that moves (Ge 9:3).
In the Mosaic covenant and law, temporarily added (Ro 5:20; Gal 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant,
some food was temporarily declared as defiling, to teach the nature of sin as defiling one's spirit.
With the obsoleteness of the Mosaic covenant (Heb 8:13), God has returned us
to his original Genesis command, where no food is defiling, all food is clean for us (Lk 11:41).
See Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25; 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.
In the Mosaic covenant and law, temporarily added (Ro 5:20; Gal 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant,
some food was temporarily declared as defiling, to teach the nature of sin as defiling one's spirit.
With the obsoleteness of the Mosaic covenant (Heb 8:13), God has returned us
to his original Genesis command, where no food is defiling, all food is clean for us (Lk 11:41).
See Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25; 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.
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must.........defeat...........Scriptural...........untruth..........
2 chapters earlier: clean and unclean:
Genesis 7:1-2, "Then Yahweh said to Noah: Come into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen you righteous before Me in this generation. You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;"
2 chapters earlier: clean and unclean:
Genesis 7:1-2, "Then Yahweh said to Noah: Come into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen you righteous before Me in this generation. You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;"
I meant misused, at the least IMO. (no offence) I say this because I think all Scripture on the topic is to be considered in forming doctrine.
And it does not state the clean and unclean were only for sacrificial purpose.
I do want to leave this alone because mercy, judgement and love are the weightier measures.
And it does not state the clean and unclean were only for sacrificial purpose.
I do want to leave this alone because mercy, judgement and love are the weightier measures.
Please show how the self-evident Scriptures above
1) are misused, and
2) do not mean what they state.
Yes, Scripture does not record God's giving of the sacrificial system to mankind.
However, it does record the distinction between clean and unclean in place at the time of Noah.
There was no distinction between clean and unclean regarding diet until the Mosaic law.
You are reading it backwards into Scripture.
It is also counter-intuitive that God would tell Noah to take personally-defiling animals on the ark.
Mercy, love and judgment are not at stake nor at issue here.
1) are misused, and
2) do not mean what they state.
Yes, Scripture does not record God's giving of the sacrificial system to mankind.
However, it does record the distinction between clean and unclean in place at the time of Noah.
There was no distinction between clean and unclean regarding diet until the Mosaic law.
You are reading it backwards into Scripture.
It is also counter-intuitive that God would tell Noah to take personally-defiling animals on the ark.
Mercy, love and judgment are not at stake nor at issue here.
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Genesis 1:29-30
(29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
(30) And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
God's original diet was a vegetarian diet for all. God knows best as He is our creator.
(29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
(30) And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
God's original diet was a vegetarian diet for all. God knows best as He is our creator.
The law is not void, it's just that the carnally minded man cannot hear what the Spirit is saying in it. Jesus proved that meat and drink have nothing to do with defiling the heart and mind of man. Be not deceived.
Mark 7:15
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mark 7:15
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Think about it, Hizikyah.
If the clean and unclean regulations which were in place at the time of Noah (Ge 7:1-2) were about food, God would not have given "everything that lives and moves" as food when Noah got off the boat
(Ge 9:3).
Until the time of Moses, the temporary "clean and unclean" were about sacrifices, not about food.
Clean and unclean ended when the sacrifices ended, which is why the NT teaches that
all food is clean (Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19).
If the clean and unclean regulations which were in place at the time of Noah (Ge 7:1-2) were about food, God would not have given "everything that lives and moves" as food when Noah got off the boat
(Ge 9:3).
Until the time of Moses, the temporary "clean and unclean" were about sacrifices, not about food.
Clean and unclean ended when the sacrifices ended, which is why the NT teaches that
all food is clean (Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19).
The law of God is spiritual, but the mind of man is carnal, that is why the carnally minded man cannot hear what the Spirit is saying in the law of Moses. (the veil of the flesh remains)
Galatians 4:21 "Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Jesus said judge not by outward appearances, because that is how the world judges. The clean and unclean beasts are referring to peoples, not farm animals.
Galatians 4:21 "Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Jesus said judge not by outward appearances, because that is how the world judges. The clean and unclean beasts are referring to peoples, not farm animals.
Acts 10:14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
Gal 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.
Gal 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.
It does not explicitly state on my view or on your view, applying this verse as a guarantee either way can not be proven, unless there is a supporting Scripture we are not aware of.
I provided MUCH information concerning Scripture to support my view, it was virtually all ignored by people who disagree with me, if you want to eat trichonosis worm I cant stop you, I have no energy to debate throwing parasites downs ones gullet at this time.
I provided MUCH information concerning Scripture to support my view, it was virtually all ignored by people who disagree with me, if you want to eat trichonosis worm I cant stop you, I have no energy to debate throwing parasites downs ones gullet at this time.