50 Shades of Grey is Women's Porn

[Human]

think of it like this. Why does a person ask to be tied up? Because they want to feel that fear and adrenaline. It has nothing to do with getting closer to the other person.

No, and you might not understand this unless you're in a comfortable relationships and are having sex, but it isn't about fear. Fear should never be a part of a healthy, adult sex life. People don't like to fear. Being tied up and bonded in a comfortable relationship is not about fear, because genuine fear would make the woman scared, make her averse, and make her unable to enjoy the time.

It is about experimentation, about fun, about mystery, about give and take, and above all else about trust.

 

[Human]

The point being that just because you can bond over it, it doesnt automatically make it good? Whats the difference between legal and illegal? They have the same affect. I can therefore argue that because bondage has those experiences, murdering can be good because it shares them as well.

Is it perverted? Yeah. And so is bondage. And consensual doesnt make it good either.

No. Consensual sex is unlike murder because murder is not consensual for the victim. Consensual bondage in sex is unlike kidnap because kidnap is about fear and utter control;; bondage in a comitted, monogamous, healthy trusting, comfortable relationship is about experimentation, fulfillment, happiness, joy, excitement and above all trust, not at the expense of an innocent human being's life.

Those are two drastic differences, but there are many more.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

The word ''passion'' means the same as ''lust'' in this context. Here's some other translations::

But if they can't control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It's better to marry than to burn with lust.
But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
But if they do not have self-control, let them get married. For it is better to marry than to burn with sexual desire.
But if they do not have self-control, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with desire.
But if they do not endure, let them marry. It is beneficial for them to take a wife rather than to burn with lust.

In the end, God allows you to marry, and to mate but tells us that being lustful is a sin, that you are allowed to take care of needs but avoid immorality, and gives clear guidelines on how you can mate, all created for good over personal desire. Like I said, no matter how you try to make it sound good, it is a perversion and in no way a need. Bonding doesnt make it good. You can bond over anything and everything. And pleasure and desire are called evil, because these things lead to evil and perversion.

 

[tourist]

In the end, God allows you to marry, and to mate but tells us that being lustful is a sin, that you are allowed to take care of needs but avoid immorality, and gives clear guidelines on how you can mate, all created for good over personal desire. Like I said, no matter how you try to make it sound good, it is a perversion and in no way a need. Bonding doesnt make it good. You can bond over anything and everything. And pleasure and desire are called evil, because these things lead to evil and perversion.

Does God take pleasure and desire in anything?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

No. Consensual sex is unlike murder because murder is not consensual for the victim. Consensual bondage in sex is unlike kidnap because kidnap is about fear and utter control;; bondage in a comitted, monogamous, healthy trusting, comfortable relationship is about experimentation, fulfillment, happiness, joy, excitement and above all trust, not at the expense of an innocent human being's life.

Those are two drastic differences, but there are many more.

Okay, what about a child who tells an adult they wanna try sex? They consulted. Or an animal that gives itself over to a human for consensual sex? It was consensual. No one said no. Or what about war? Two peoples agree to fight to the death, do you think that those who fought should find pleasure, enjoyment and bonding out of it, and then call it a wonderful thing? Is it still unclean and perverted? Yeah. And human law is irrelevant. Its created on the wishes and desires of man, not on whats right.

Being consensual and bonding over the event doesnt make it good.

 

[Stephen63]

The amount of sexual content on christian websites these days is by far more than what anyone needs to know. I'm sure it's VERY easy to know what people are doing behind close doors. I've seen so much on CC I would think none of these people were born virgins. So you are just projecting what you want onto someone who may ALSO have pre-conversion experience. YOU can stop your insuations that he STILL living in some sort of sin. Lots of christians know about this book from various christians sites. That is where I heard about it myself. YOU went on the attack because you dislike the guy. That is evident. Maybe you aren't the only one here who wasn't born best buddies with Jesus.

I used to respect you on this site but you have gotten sloppy and mean and in no way reflecting the Christ I used to see in you here.[/QUOTE]
You got ALL THAT outta this?

2 things:
1) Not surprised hearing your answer, knowing your liberal demeanor.
2) How do you know what couples are doing behind closed doors?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Does God take pleasure and desire in anything?

Yes, but righteously. He tells us He is pleased when we praise Him, when we love and provide for each other and when we put others, and more importantly Him, before ourselves. He tells us that giving us His mercy pleases Him. He also tells us that punishing His creations dont please Him, and that hell does not please Him.


If we use God as an example, we should think about what pleases God. Taking care of us, providing us with our needs, making us stronger by putting us through things we dont want to go through, doing whats in our best interests. He is not pleased by doing bad things to us.

If Christ died on the cross for us, giving His life and all His pleasures for us, wouldnt it make sense to say God does NOT want us to be pleasure-seekers? : p We should please ourselves by doing for others, and not ourselves.

 

[Stephen63]

The amount of sexual content on christian websites these days is by far more than what anyone needs to know. I'm sure it's VERY easy to know what people are doing behind close doors. I've seen so much on CC I would think none of these people were born virgins. So you are just projecting what you want onto someone who may ALSO have pre-conversion experience. YOU can stop your insuations that he STILL living in some sort of sin. Lots of christians know about this book from various christians sites. That is where I heard about it myself. YOU went on the attack because you dislike the guy. That is evident. Maybe you aren't the only one here who wasn't born best buddies with Jesus.

I used to respect you on this site but you have gotten sloppy and mean and in no way reflecting the Christ I used to see in you here.

Let the Lord judge between you & me. I'll be satisfied with that.

 

[Nautilus]

I dunno if anyone has talked about this, but aside from the book being pornographic, it also promotes something evil, that no Christian should ever participate in. God tells us to take care of our spouses needs, but he did not say we could take part in these forms of perversion. Just looking at 1 Thessalonians 4:5, its obvious that this "passionate" way of living is sinful, and a perversion of Gods creation.

No Christian should ever perform acts of bondage. I believe it would clearly be shameful before God.

I really dont think its anyones business what a husband and wife get into in the bedroom between the two of them. If its concsensual its not sinful. and I'll even goes as far to say that those who think it is are nothing more than the typical prudes in the church anyways.

 

[Nautilus]

Okay, what about a child who tells an adult they wanna try sex? They consulted. Or an animal that gives itself over to a human for consensual sex? It was consensual. No one said no. Or what about war? Two peoples agree to fight to the death, do you think that those who fought should find pleasure, enjoyment and bonding out of it, and then call it a wonderful thing? Is it still unclean and perverted? Yeah. And human law is irrelevant. Its created on the wishes and desires of man, not on whats right.

Being consensual and bonding over the event doesnt make it good.

Pedophilia is no better of an analogy then murder. It's also something that is illegal, and since when are kids even rational enough at that age to honestly consider the consequences of the event? WE are talking about two married adults wanting to add spice to their sex life. YOU are talking about little kids. I don't know why there is a disconnect between the subject matter and what is going on in your head, but I would work on it.

If a husband and wife want to take turns with bondage then thats their decision. THey aren't hurting anyone is they are being safe and who are you to judge what goes on in their bedroom? The height of Chrisitan arrogance is saying well the way I live it out is better than the way you live it out. If you feel convicted that you and your future wife will only ever have missionary style sex once a week for twenty minutes, then fine, more power to you, but to call someone sinful because they are more sexually adventurous than yourself is just immature.

 

[Human]

Okay, what about a child who tells an adult they wanna try sex? They consulted.

So you think a child is compus mentus to give sexual consent?? I certainly don't.

Or an animal that gives itself over to a human for consensual sex? It was consensual.

So you think animals, who can't speak, can give consent for sex?? I certainly don't.

No one said no.

NOt saying no isn't the same as saying yes, or being mentally able to understand what that ''yes'' actually entails.

Or what about war? Two peoples agree to fight to the death, do you think that those who fought should find pleasure, enjoyment and bonding out of it, and then call it a wonderful thing?

Fighting is about violence, competitiveness, instilling fear and physically decimating the other person to you advantage. Consensual adult sex should be none of those things.

Is it still unclean and perverted? Yeah.

You've still not given any tangible, solid evidence for this.

And human law is irrelevant.

Not according to human law it's not.

Its created on the wishes and desires of man, not on whats right.

I could go extensively into exploring this sentence, its implications, and refuting its inferences, but suffice to say that the process of mental rumination leading to moral conclusion requires the object of the rumination and is always subject to the cognition conditioned by previous objects, exterior influences, memories, desires and emotions.

Everything man sees is subject to man's vision.

Being consensual and bonding over the event doesnt make it good.

In what context? It's certainly ''good' for the relationship, in my opinion, to bond over consensual sexual experimentation that is of no detriment to another human being's life. What you've done is heard me say '' consensual sex between two adults, without fear, violence, but rather with comfort, agreeableness, joy, excitment and trust, is good for a healthy relationship'' (that sentence has a lot of context) and you've reduced it in your mind to ''being really lustful is good if its consensual between a couple'', then said ridiculously illogical things devoid of any of the context of my assertions, like ''kidnapping and raping kids for a couples' personal enjoyment is okay because the couple doing it both consent''.

You need to learn how to address arguments logically, taking their context into reference, instead of creating misrepresentations and universal statements out of what were actually relative premises of argument.

 

[Stephen63]

Ephesians 5:25-29 (KJV) [SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; [SUP]26 [/SUP]That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, [SUP]27 [/SUP]That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. [SUP]28 [/SUP]So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

I don't know anyone who would want to live in continual bondage. Neither can I see Jesus putting His church in ant kind of bondage. If Jesus isn't into spiritual/physical bondage, how then can we do it, when we are to walk in Christ's steps?

 

[Human]

Ephesians 5:25-29 (KJV) [SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; [SUP]26 [/SUP]That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, [SUP]27 [/SUP]That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. [SUP]28 [/SUP]So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

I don't know anyone who would want to live in continual bondage. Neither can I see Jesus putting His church in ant kind of bondage. If Jesus isn't into spiritual/physical bondage, how then can we do it, when we are to walk in Christ's steps?

Be honest with you, I can't see Jesus having sex with his church either.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Pedophilia is no better of an analogy then murder. It's also something that is illegal, and since when are kids even rational enough at that age to honestly consider the consequences of the event? WE are talking about two married adults wanting to add spice to their sex life. YOU are talking about little kids. I don't know why there is a disconnect between the subject matter and what is going on in your head, but I would work on it.

If a husband and wife want to take turns with bondage then thats their decision. THey aren't hurting anyone is they are being safe and who are you to judge what goes on in their bedroom? The height of Chrisitan arrogance is saying well the way I live it out is better than the way you live it out. If you feel convicted that you and your future wife will only ever have missionary style sex once a week for twenty minutes, then fine, more power to you, but to call someone sinful because they are more sexually adventurous than yourself is just immature.

Human laws are irrelavant. They are created on desires of man and not whats right.

And show me where the bible ever says you can do whatever you want as long as you arent hurting anyone?

And if you are a believer in Christ, Gods will comes first for you. Not desires. Oral and anal sex are also consensual, and God still says it disgusts and offends Him.
God tells us that those who do not believe in Him call His will foolish, and are hostile towards it.

Do you ever consider how God feels about what youre doing?

So you think a child is compus mentus to give sexual consent?? I certainly don't.



So you think animals, who can't speak, can give consent for sex?? I certainly don't.



NOt saying no isn't the same as saying yes, or being mentally able to understand what that ''yes'' actually entails.



Fighting is about violence, competitiveness, instilling fear and physically decimating the other person to you advantage. Consensual adult sex should be none of those things.



You've still not given any tangible, solid evidence for this.



Not according to human law it's not.



I could go extensively into exploring this sentence, its implications, and refuting its inferences, but suffice to say that the process of mental rumination leading to moral conclusion requires the object of the rumination and is always subject to the cognition conditioned by previous objects, exterior influences, memories, desires and emotions.

Everything man sees is subject to man's vision.



In what context? It's certainly ''good' for the relationship, in my opinion, to bond over consensual sexual experimentation that is of no detriment to another human being's life. What you've done is heard me say '' consensual sex between two adults, without fear, violence, but rather with comfort, agreeableness, joy, excitment and trust, is good for a healthy relationship'' (that sentence has a lot of context) and you've reduced it in your mind to ''being really lustful is good if its consensual between a couple'', then said ridiculously illogical things devoid of any of the context of my assertions, like ''kidnapping and raping kids for a couples' personal enjoyment is okay because the couple doing it both consent''.

You need to learn how to address arguments logically, taking their context into reference, instead of creating misrepresentations and universal statements out of what were actually relative premises of argument.

Actually a kid could give the consent, sadly I can admit that I knew what sex was as early as about 12, thanks to things like porno, and adults talking comfortably about sex, all thanks to sexual liberation. So yeah, a kid can have a vague idea about sex and tell an adult they want to try it with them.

And have you ever had a dog try to hump your leg? An animal can present themselves to humans, and take the action to initiate on their own even though they cant use words.

And though fighting isnt sex, you can still apply pleasure and bonding to it. But we can even make it sexual and talk about people who have a weird fetish of killing in wars. Its still consensual and they still get gratification out of it. The argument was bonding and pleasure do not = good. The only argument you have made is that its either not sex or its not legal by human standards.

The fact remains that God is disgusted and offended by certain things, and that He will hold us accountable for them if we ignore His warnings. I would warn any Christian to stay away from the ways of the earth, because God is going to bring an end to it and all who live by it. And as always, you can ignore desires, being tied up and hurt is not a need, and was not why God created sex. It is perverted.

 

[Human]

Human laws are irrelavant. They are created on desires of man and not whats right.

And show me where the bible ever says you can do whatever you want as long as you arent hurting anyone?

And if you are a believer in Christ, Gods will comes first for you. Not desires. Oral and anal sex are also consensual, and God still says it disgusts and offends Him.
God tells us that those who do not believe in Him call His will foolish, and are hostile towards it.

Do you ever consider how God feels about what youre doing?



Actually a kid could give the consent, sadly I can admit that I knew what sex was as early as about 12, thanks to things like porno, and adults talking comfortably about sex, all thanks to sexual liberation. So yeah, a kid can have a vague idea about sex and tell an adult they want to try it with them.

And have you ever had a dog try to hump your leg? An animal can present themselves to humans, and take the action to initiate on their own even though they cant use words.

And though fighting isnt sex, you can still apply pleasure and bonding to it. But we can even make it sexual and talk about people who have a weird fetish of killing in wars. Its still consensual and they still get gratification out of it. The argument was bonding and pleasure do not = good. The only argument you have made is that its either not sex or its not legal by human standards.

The fact remains that God is disgusted and offended by certain things, and that He will hold us accountable for them if we ignore His warnings. I would warn any Christian to stay away from the ways of the earth, because God is going to bring an end to it and all who live by it. And as always, you can ignore desires, being tied up and hurt is not a need, and was not why God created sex. It is perverted.

Kids aren't able to give genuine consent. Animals can't speak or give genuine consent in the ways the law (and morals) would demand, and fighting's dynamic is drastically different to consensual sex.

It wasn't too many years ago it was perverted for a woman to get on top of a man. Is that against God too?

 

[jsr1221]

Is there a limit to where this thread can go or are people allowed to just have at it and say whatever they want? This is taking a downward spiral.

 

[Human]

Is there a limit to where this thread can go or are people allowed to just have at it and say whatever they want? This is taking a downward spiral.

Are you afraid of frank speech? It seems to be that sweeping issues under the rug hasn't done much in the past.

 

[jsr1221]

Are you afraid of frank speech? It seems to be that sweeping issues under the rug hasn't done much in the past.

I didn't know people were allowed to spew different positions in the bedroom on what's supposed to be a family friendly site. It's starting to get a bit too detailed.

 

[Human]

I didn't know people were allowed to spew different positions in the bedroom on what's supposed to be a family friendly site. It's starting to get a bit too detailed.

Fair point. Maybe we should have a section open only to adults, to address topics like this. IMO they need addressed.

 

[Stephen63]

Just because a couple is married doesn't give them license to do anything they want. Marriage is an ordinance of God, & should be respected as such. BDSM is simply a tool in Satan's arsenal to degrade/destroy God's ordinance. Liberal views are the gate which allows the Devil to step in & defile God's ordinances.

Marriage isn't an excuse to "DO AS THOU WILT". Such an attitude is wicked rebellion, & that's as witchcraft in God's eyes.