lets talk about gay people!!!

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ForthAngel

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There are some rights they want, like tax breaks for married couples and things like the possessions of a gay married couple being given to the spouse of one who passed away and stuff. But the weird thing is, though they dont have these rights, Ive also never once heard a Christian person actually say "lets keep these things from them", the pretty much just dont think they should be married. I actually find it suspicious that they dont get these things, doesnt it kinda make you wonder if /someone/ wants to build a division between Christians and gays?

Anywho give them those rights, render to ceasers what is ceasers, taxes mean nothing to God anyways. As long as Christian churches have the right to say no to marrying gays without being jailed, then we dont have to worry as much as we cannot make anyone follow Gods will, just encourage others to do so.
I do know liberal people who /do/ believe that Christian churches should have to marry them by law, though. It is even being called an unfair thing to do.
I think churches should have the right to refuse lawfully. There are plenty of people who would marry them. I completely agree with the rest.
 
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kaylagrl

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That would be a very good thing to have Yezara_Bats. (why do I keep wanting to say Bates instead of Bats?) Unfortunately if you start a thread in this forum on a hot-button topic (KJV bible versus other versions, music instruments in church, gays, keeping the Sabbath, etc) you will get people coming out of the forum woodwork to yell their opinions and yell at each other's different opinions.

Perhaps we could petition RoboOp, the owner, to establish a new subforum called Recovery. A protected, no-yelling forum for those who are coming back from alcoholism, pornography, homosexuality, etc. It could have rules like no preaching at people, no yelling at people for their sins, first time offense gets a private message, second offense gets a ban for three days, etc. We could have the Recovery Room rules listed in a sticky thread.

Or you could just come to the Singles Forum. We're mostly more friendly there. Unfortunately the screamer people from the Bible Discussions forum sometimes find our threads and start yelling in them there too.
I've seen this in the other forums.Ladies forum seldom has heated discussions or the family forum.People have talked about divorce,abuse,addictions and all calmly.Only seems to get heated in here.
 

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JFSurvivor.


1) "And the Lord God said, it is not good that man should be alone" (Gn.2:18)
So what did God do, He created the animals (Gn.2:19
2) "...and brought them unto Adam..." for two reasons (a) to see what he would call them
(b) to see if they suited him
because it is written, "But for Adam there was not found an help meet for him" (v.20)
So that rules out beastiality and also any feeling of attraction to animals.
3) Now God creates Eve the opposite sex, not another Adam.
They were Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
4) The same way God brought the animals unto Adam, He now brings the woman unto him.
The words, "This now is bone [Sing.] of my bones [Plur.] and flesh of my flesh.
Adam finally got something that suited him as a man.

FEELING ATTRACTION

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,and shall cleave unto his wife". [Not Husband]
Eng. cleave Heb.dabaq (daw-bak) meaning:- to be joined to
That is a healthy normal relationship a man and a woman being joint to one another.
Even Christ confirmed that male and female created He them.

"...and thy desire shall be to thy husband...."
Eng. desire Heb. teshuqah (tesh -oo - kaw) meaning:- (a) desire, longing, craving
(b) of a man for a woman
(c) of a woman for a man
According to Scripture, the man and the woman should be attracted to one another.
That's normal in the creative order of God.
Feeling attracted to the same sex or an animal is abnormal, and is against the creative order of God.

Excuse me for saying this, but your doctor seems to be the one who is abnormal.
I hear the voice of Satan saying, "Don't worry you won't do anything with your dog"


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Well I didn't do anything with my dog, first of all. And you need to understand that even though they said it was "normal for ME GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED TO ME." Doesn't make it normal or right. I was horrified at my feelings. HORRIFIED! I didn't want them. I prayed for them to go away. As I have been healing they have been going away.

I know it's a shock to come on to this and read "I was attracted to my dog" but it's true. I was sexually assaulted. Because I was sexually assaulted, it confused me about my sexuality for a time and as I have healed my sexuality has healed too. Does that make sense?

Am I ashamed of those feelings? Yes. Like I said, I used it as an extreme example to show that being gay is not always a choice.

Also you have to understand, TWO doctors told me, "after sexual assault it is normal to be confused about your sexuality." I was in tears when I told my doctors about my issues with my dog. When you get your PHD in psychology then you can tell me what is normal for sexual assault survivors to feel and not feel.
 

JFSurvivor

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OK lemme clear something up. The whole thing with my dog, I believe the initial attraction to the same sex cannot be helped. However what you do with that attraction can be helped. You can choose to push the emotions away or give in to them, you can choose to act on them or not. So is being gay a choice or is it not? I think it is both. Does that make sense?
 

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I would be careful with the gay being a choice thing. No one really chooses to be tempted by it, but just because it is in your mind doesnt mean its a part of you. I can say I pushed to be with a guy because I hated my body, and felt I would "hate the girl I was with" because I felt it was unfair that I was male. I basically had a negative feeling towards women because I was convinced that it was unfair that I couldnt have what I wanted. And I said it wasnt a choice because of this, feelings I cant control. But even if you really are so upset by something, that doesnt suddenly make you incapable of being attracted to the opposite sex. You are just going through an emotional state that you have to deal with. Homosexuality is a desire, even if it can be motivated by something that happened to you or something that you are struggling with. But as for being something that you cant control (not being a choice), I still believe its wrong to believe that it isnt a choice, because it leads us to be comforted by it, which is a dangerous thing. We should still see it as wrong, and something to run away from, Though you may not choose to have those things pushed on you (Christ did not choose to be tempted in the desert) you always have the power to say no to it. Nothing actually forces you to do things you shouldnt do, and just because you are tempted by it doesnt mean you have to act out on it, in fact its almost always best that you dont.
 

JFSurvivor

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I would be careful with the gay being a choice thing. No one really chooses to be tempted by it, but just because it is in your mind doesnt mean its a part of you. I can say I pushed to be with a guy because I hated my body, and felt I would "hate the girl I was with" because I felt it was unfair that I was male. I basically had a negative feeling towards women because I was convinced that it was unfair that I couldnt have what I wanted. And I said it wasnt a choice because of this, feelings I cant control. But even if you really are so upset by something, that doesnt suddenly make you incapable of being attracted to the opposite sex. You are just going through an emotional state that you have to deal with. Homosexuality is a desire, even if it can be motivated by something that happened to you or something that you are struggling with. But as for being something that you cant control (not being a choice), I still believe its wrong to believe that it isnt a choice, because it leads us to be comforted by it, which is a dangerous thing. We should still see it as wrong, and something to run away from, Though you may not choose to have those things pushed on you (Christ did not choose to be tempted in the desert) you always have the power to say no to it. Nothing actually forces you to do things you shouldnt do, and just because you are tempted by it doesnt mean you have to act out on it, in fact its almost always best that you dont.
I said that it is both. I said that it was a choice but wasn't a choice. Basically

temptation=not a choice
actions= are a choice
 
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whether being gay is a choice or not, everyone is a wretched sinner, everyone is, they don't have to chose to be a wretched sinner - they all are, everyone is. (to start with)

everyone, not some, was consigned under sin. thus everyone needs a savior if they are to be saved. thieves, adulterers , repbulicans, demcrats, catholics, lutherans, baptsts, maslims, handus, harrykrisnas, everyone. no choice to be sinner or not - they (we all once were) sinners without hope and separate from yahweh, from life.

THE CHOICE ??? --- the same always - chose who you will serve. the message the same "REPENT" and be immersed in yahshua for the forgiveness of sin and the resurrection to eternal life.


yes, a daily battle as long as we live. temptations NEVER STOP while we are alive, until yahshua returns.

chose LIFE IN YAHSHUA, the only way, the only name by which men anywhere may be saved. or chose any other god to serve.

then obey the one you chose. that's what everyone does anyway. (just most everyone on earth dies still a sinner, dead, and raised on judgment day to shame and judgment instead of to life everlasting).
 

JFSurvivor

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I never said sin was a choice. I said homosexuality was a choice but wasn't at the same time. I think that's the general rule of thumb with most sins, however because we are imperfect, we will choose wrong at times because it FEELS good. Then we go and repent for our bad choice. Make sense?
 
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I never said sin was a choice. I said homosexuality was a choice but wasn't at the same time. I think that's the general rule of thumb with most sins, however because we are imperfect, we will choose wrong at times because it FEELS good. Then we go and repent for our bad choice. Make sense?
totally. adam and havah partook of whatever it was the enemy tricked them to partake of (not an apple),
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"IT FELT GOOD" or they thought it would "FEEL GOOD". thus all mankind was consigned under sin.

how often will yahweh allow someone to sin ? yahweh knows. in 1st john and through 2 and 3 john and 1 and 2 peter and revelation and the rest of scripture,

it is written simply that those who abide in yahshua do not willingly continue sinfully.
 
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(it continues to be a hard life full of deviations from yahweh's will and temptations to blatantly sin against him and against others every day, until gone to be with him, or until yahshua returns (soon) ).

how much will yahweh allow/ and forgive ? yahweh knows. what men say doesn't count, and is almost always wrong, and never to be trusted.
 
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I would never mention Catholicism in witnessing to my brother, neither would I bring up someones perversions just as same sex attractions. I would preach Christ and him crucified. I am not as Ray Comfort that believe in Lordship Salvation or that one need to repent to be saved, how can one repent unless the Holy Spirit is in you. The doctor doesn't address the symptoms, but the cause. Symptom are only guides to the cause. The real and primary need is that the soul is dead without Christ. Get them saved and the Holy Spirit will cleanse the temple.
 
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read corinthians, yahshua's message to some believers. their sin is boldly spelled out, publicly. and they are told plainly to repent, or what their punishment is if they don't repent. right out in the open. plainly.

same throughout all scripture. to believers obedient and disobedient, to Jews first, and to pagan sinful nations, everywhere.

yahweh didn't pull any punches on sin. he always deals with it directly, and severely. (his son died a horrible excruciating death on a tree, suffering unimaginably for those who rejected him! as well as for those who receive him..... only a few benefit, those who truly repent and are born again like little children; no others even see the kingdom of heaven.)

((yes, there is a time, an other time, for great and simple gentleness when dealing with a bruised reed or a smoldering wick, with a broken , desperate, destitute sinner. not with someone boldly or proudly sinning and proudly bragging about it!))
 
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phil112

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I too love gay people. I encourage them to keep being happy. Cheer is a good thing. I like being gay, but inevitably, being the pessimist I am, I will get down.
I love homosexuals too. I do not encourage them to keep doing what they are doing.

I like words too. I think we should use them according their definition when we want to be clear in what we're saying. :)
 
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you'll have to learn hebrew ways of life, patterns, ways of thought, history, nuances, and all as yahweh spoke then.

english just doesn't hack it.


yes, i'm 'stuck' with english as far as conversing, but love learning all that yahweh spoke in hebrew. he's beyond superabundantly wonderful and GREAT !
 
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keepitsimple

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Well I didn't do anything with my dog, first of all. And you need to understand that even though they said it was "normal for ME GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED TO ME." Doesn't make it normal or right. I was horrified at my feelings. HORRIFIED! I didn't want them. I prayed for them to go away. As I have been healing they have been going away.

I know it's a shock to come on to this and read "I was attracted to my dog" but it's true. I was sexually assaulted. Because I was sexually assaulted, it confused me about my sexuality for a time and as I have healed my sexuality has healed too. Does that make sense?

Am I ashamed of those feelings? Yes. Like I said, I used it as an extreme example to show that being gay is not always a choice.
You owe nobody any further explanation(s). What most are too ignorant or choose not to understand is that this issue you spoke of never was a "sexual issue" at it's core ... or at any level. It was a TRUST issue .... entirely. And you being violated in the manner that you were and at the young age that you were (you're still young at 20 yrs.) emotionally and psychologically directed your affections to the only thing you knew that you could trust. We are human ... and being that, we are sexual beings as well. And many times, severe emotional trauma causes equally severe confusion. Forgive yourself dear lil' sis in Christ ... because God has long ago. As for any snide or demeaning remarks that come your way, comfort yourself in knowing that each of us ... and whatever skeletons any of us might have hidden in our own dirty closets (and all do) will one day see them exposed as well. You got the hard stuff out of the way early. And in the manner that we judge, we ultimately pass judgement on ourselves. God bless and keep you in Christ always :)


Luke 12:2 There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.
 

JFSurvivor

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You owe nobody any further explanation(s). What most are too ignorant or choose not to understand is that this issue you spoke of never was a "sexual issue" at it's core ... or at any level. It was a TRUST issue .... entirely. And you being violated in the manner that you were and at the young age that you were (you're still young at 20 yrs.) emotionally and psychologically directed your affections to the only thing you knew that you could trust. We are human ... and being that, we are sexual beings as well. And many times, severe emotional trauma causes equally severe confusion. Forgive yourself dear lil' sis in Christ ... because God has long ago. As for any snide or demeaning remarks that come your way, comfort yourself in knowing that each of us ... and whatever skeletons any of us might have hidden in our own dirty closets (and all do) will one day see them exposed as well. You got the hard stuff out of the way early. And in the manner that we judge, we ultimately pass judgement on ourselves. God bless and keep you in Christ always :)


Luke 12:2 There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.
:') Thank you. *hug*
 

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I never said sin was a choice. I said homosexuality was a choice but wasn't at the same time. I think that's the general rule of thumb with most sins, however because we are imperfect, we will choose wrong at times because it FEELS good. Then we go and repent for our bad choice. Make sense?
EXACTLY! That is why God labeled some things as sin, to protect us from harmful things that we are naturally drawn to because they are initially pleasant. You hit the nail right between the eyes... or something like that.
 

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...how can a Christian love a gay person in todays world? QUOTE]

With the love of Christ.

"Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." John 8:11


We, who God revealed His Love to, not from anything we did but a free Gift of Mercy,

are to emulate Christ's Love to all.


We are to be witnesses of this Great Love to sinners.


Like Christ, we are to love the sinner.


It is this Love that will draw them to us, opening the opportunity, if it is God's will,

to answer their questions and lead them to Grace in Truth and Love.


Isn't that how we came to know Him?



"Heavenly Father, bless us, your children; show us the way. Make your bride ready. In Jesus I pray. Amen."

 
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kaylagrl

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I would never mention Catholicism in witnessing to my brother, neither would I bring up someones perversions just as same sex attractions. I would preach Christ and him crucified. I am not as Ray Comfort that believe in Lordship Salvation or that one need to repent to be saved, how can one repent unless the Holy Spirit is in you. The doctor doesn't address the symptoms, but the cause. Symptom are only guides to the cause. The real and primary need is that the soul is dead without Christ. Get them saved and the Holy Spirit will cleanse the temple.

You dont believe you need to repent to be saved? Well you better inform Jesus of that...

Mark 1-14 After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. 15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”


Paul did it in Acts-
You know that I have not hesitated to preach anythingthat would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house. 21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

Jesus again in Luke-
"I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.


In Acts 3...
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out

Just a few verses on the subject.



 
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Baptyzme

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Gay people are human beings, children of the most high. Our role as Christians is to be there for them in their time of need. If they need food, clothing, or water - if they are in a prison, a hospital, or abandoned: We are called to be there for them when we come to learn of their condition. This is not only true of gays, but of all people in need. Christians are the savior's of this planet. We are called to bring the message of salvation to everybody. Not only in word, but in deed.....especially in deed. If they outright reject the message of salvation, then it will be between them and the Father. We have to remember, it may not be the message they reject, but the messenger. The focus is what we are doing to advance the Kingdom of God. In justice, Freedom, and Salvation. Not only Salvation for the afterlife, but salvation from the sin in life we have now. Sin that brings fear, worry, isolation, dread, hunger, death, and behavior that is ungodly. We are the Light of the World....let them come us.