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K
Well these are all summed up under faith, love, and trust.
If you truly have faith in the Lord, and love Him then through the Holy Spirit you will obey, and in trusting Him you will not worry about your life.
I live in the middle of nowhere without a job, money, and was on the verge of homelessness.
But because of faith, love, trust in the Lord He has provide me with shelter, food, money, clothing, and a loving supportive cast of people around me. I am not homeless, or starving things be to God !!!
Once again instead of trying to catch another in a flaw, I would ask you again to why do you or some others keep putting limitations and road blocks on God's ability in our lives ? The bible says we by ourselves things to be done are impossible, but under the new covenant as born again believers the bible says we are not alone. And it says with God and His Holy Spirit in us all things are possible.
You know the Pharisees did the same thing as they tried to catch Jesus in flaws in His teachings, and instead of catching Him in flaws He answered in a way that either they could not refute or He rebuked them for what they were doing.
Do you believe all things are possible for those who believe in the Lord as the scriptures say, or do you believe man's twist on scripture through doubting that we can not do all things through Him ?
K
So a person can disagree with the Lords teachings in the bible and still be saved ?
Since when as that makes no since, as the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is the Lord Jesus telling exactly how the born again believer will do and act in order to receive salvation through Him. Lord Jesus nowhere says believe He existed only, and I know people misuse the context of John 3:16 and others that say believe. But the Lord in Luke 6:46-49 says what it really means to believe in Him, and He says those who come to Him, hear what He says, and then does what He said. The bible more than once says that a hearer only is deceived, and does not have true faith in the Lord.
I believe it is easy to make wonderful sounding statements without thinking them through. You say those commands can be summed up as faith, love and trust, yet you have not stated if you obey them all or not.
Concerning the Phairsees, they demanded of the people what they did not attain to in their own lives and crushed them by doing so.
I am afraid I was brought up with wonderful sounding statements that in reality people did not attain to in their own lives, but as a child I was somewhat naïve, I just believed the statements I was hearing. The problem is that crushes the sincere.
As you have not stated-despite numerous opportunities to do so you obey all of Christ's commands in the Gospels I must assume you do not, so why say:
''we are justified through Christ by upholding His commandments, teachings, and standards''
I'm sorry, but sweeping statements that are not-or cannot be lived up to by the person making them, I repeat, damage many a sincere person, and I have to wonder why they are being made
Concerning the Phairsees, they demanded of the people what they did not attain to in their own lives and crushed them by doing so.
I am afraid I was brought up with wonderful sounding statements that in reality people did not attain to in their own lives, but as a child I was somewhat naïve, I just believed the statements I was hearing. The problem is that crushes the sincere.
As you have not stated-despite numerous opportunities to do so you obey all of Christ's commands in the Gospels I must assume you do not, so why say:
''we are justified through Christ by upholding His commandments, teachings, and standards''
I'm sorry, but sweeping statements that are not-or cannot be lived up to by the person making them, I repeat, damage many a sincere person, and I have to wonder why they are being made
K
They can not be lived up to by us alone, and that is the problem with teaching today as people are doing just as the Apostles did with Jesus when He gave them all these things to do in order to be saved unto salvation through Him. The Apostles questioned Him and said who can be saved then as they found all these things impossible.
Did Jesus return with an answer that no man will be saved because they can't live up to them?
No He did not, as He returned to them with answers of with God all things are possible and all things are possible for those who believe.
Does the bible say through true faith in Jesus and walking in love that the Holy Spirit will guide us in obedience and keeping His commandments? Yes it does, and Paul even says that faith, love, and hope will have one walk in obedience, and Paul even says the greatest one is love. The reason is because walking in love will bear no wrong on self or others.
People have turned God's grace into an impossible or a lewdness gospel, telling others they can not live up to the standards that the Lord gave in the gospel books and can continue to walk in sins (uncleanness).
You gave great scriptures from the bible, but the part that alludes people when they teach the word is that we are not alone. The bible only says those standards are impossible to live up to and do by ourselves, but it then says with God and His Holy Spirit all things are possible.
Why do you think believers will get different rewards from the Lord at the judgment at the mercy seat of Christ ?
This is because some have more faith and trust in the Lord and follow His teachings more then others, as the rewards are given for how obedient in their actions a believer was.
And yet you cannot state you yourself uphold all the commands of Christ.
In reference to your last paragraph, possibly you believe you have more faith and trust in the Lord than others, and follow his teachings more than most, so your reward will be greater than others.
I believe the closer we come to God, the more we love Him, the more we want to see him glorified. We stress all the glory is His to have, none is our own. As Jesus said, such a person is a man of truth, there is nothing false about him
In reference to your last paragraph, possibly you believe you have more faith and trust in the Lord than others, and follow his teachings more than most, so your reward will be greater than others.
I believe the closer we come to God, the more we love Him, the more we want to see him glorified. We stress all the glory is His to have, none is our own. As Jesus said, such a person is a man of truth, there is nothing false about him
It is not my point, it is the Word. ObObeying God is not being a legalist, as yo put it. If your are saying those who believe should not obey God, you are teaching something not of Jesus Christ. He is our example and we should do as He taught us by His Word and deed. Please to not come up with some out of context ver
se about how your great love is more than adequate in place of being obedient. The only One who loved so perfectly is Jesus Christ, the rest of us mortals must work after we receive the Holy Spirit. Work is not being under the law, work is good works, and we all do this in love and gratitude.
se about how your great love is more than adequate in place of being obedient. The only One who loved so perfectly is Jesus Christ, the rest of us mortals must work after we receive the Holy Spirit. Work is not being under the law, work is good works, and we all do this in love and gratitude.
K
So your understanding would be that even though Jesus through His Holy Spirit is working in and through you, you still can not uphold His commandments ?
Jesus who can not sin and the Holy Spirits righteousness working within a person will keep a person still walking in a sinful and disobedient nature ?
The answer to both of these questions should be no that as a new creation in Christ you have put off your former self, meaning you no longer walk in those sinful disobedient ways. If a person is still walking in a sinful and disobedient nature are they born again ? I would say no as multiple scriptures point to walking in the Spirit is walking in love and abstaining from letting sin have dominion or control of your life.
The Holy Spirit who is in us is not going to lead us in uncleanness or disobedience, and the bible even says through the words of the Lord; He called the Apostles themselves men of little faith because they kept questioning Him on what He said.
As for the Pharisees they were self righteous people who added to the law, and looked to receive power, financial gain, and self recognition for what they did instead of giving all the glory to God. That is why Jesus said our righteousness has to exceed theirs to enter into the kingdom of heaven, because theirs was self righteousness and ours has to be righteousness through Him. How does one put their faith and love in Him if they limit what He can do in their life ?
My objective as my due to God is quite simple. It is to live and die as much like Jesus Christ teaches by word and deed as is possible for a creature of my frame. I will never be perfect, for He has been perfect for me, but I will never deliberately offend Him either. God is perfecting me, and all who believe, and w cooperate by attempting to behave ourselves. This does not mean we are under tha law any more than following Christ's example. If you do not understand this now, perhaps some day in the future you will. I pray in Jesus Christ's name you do.
M
No obeying God is not being a legalist because clearly legalism is not obedience ...that's the clear message of the New Testament. What is also made clear is that faith and love, is true obedience.
Ro 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Not in the legal code, not by legalism! Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Ro 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Not in the legal code, not by legalism! Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
M
There is nothing wrong with wanting to be obedient to God, the problem for those who claim to honor and keep the legal code of the law is that they are not being honest about their obedience and the true standard they are claiming to keep? If one really hears and believes the law they will see that its can only be kept through the Spirit by faith and love, that the flesh is completely unable to keep even the first commandment of God. In this they reject the testimony of the law and the testimony of the gospel.
This is what Jesus said of the Pharisees:
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. Matt23:2&3
Would you like to state if you uphold all of Christ's commandments, bearing in mind your opening comments?
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. Matt23:2&3
Would you like to state if you uphold all of Christ's commandments, bearing in mind your opening comments?