Revelation

[john832]

the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war.


...............And the rest were killed with the sword


Meaning;"the rest of the army".........not all earths inhbitants

Context is John behollding the battlefield,not the entire globe.

Big bold letters do not impress me...

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

We know this is Christ returning.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

He takes the Beast and the False Prophet and burns them to death but that is not all that is going on here...

Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

So, the Beast power invades these nations but new from North and East trouble him...

Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Now we see a 200 million man army (North and East) coming against the Beast power. These come together in the plain of Megiddo...

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

We see here the time frame: the Day of the Lord.

The actual battle does not occur at Har Meggido (Armageddon), it occurs in the valley of Jezreel just outside of Jerusalem...

Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

This battle is the final battle. The Beast power squares off with the 200 million man army from the East. Just at this time, Christ returns and this occurs...

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

And the blood flows down this valley, bridle deep on a horse, for about 200 miles. This brings us back to Rev 19...

Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The armies of the Beast and the men of the East are left scattered on the battlefield and the carrion eaters pick their bones clean.

This is not EVERYONE on earth, this is only the armies that fought against Christ, those humans that remain live over into the Millennium and are then converted...

Eze 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Isa 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
Isa 35:9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:
Isa 35:10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

God will bring Israel back to the land and convert them, then they will lead the Gentiles to God and salvation during the Millennium...

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

God has a much different perspective that man has...

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

There is coming a wonderful Millennium of peace, prosperity and salvation for all.

 

[john832]

How do you know i am not a Jew ? Or my wife ?

an anti-semitic Jew? Very unlikely.

 

[PlainWord]

I did. But not all can receive it.

Yeah, you got most if it wrong. But don't feel bad, most do. I don't want to offend you brother and I commend you for caring enough to write your comments but sadly, you missed the mark pretty dramatically.

You failed to see Mystery Babylon, the Mother of all Harlots as Islam and it's city in the wilderness is MECCA, which is what they are. You also failed to identify that Rev 13 Beast of the Sea is not global as the location is identified as the area of Bear, Leopard, Lion which is Iran, Iraq and Syria today. You failed to see that the Kings of the Earth are the Arab Oil Kings. I just skimmed your book to see if you picked up on these key points. Once I saw that you didn't I stopped.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Yeah, you got most if it wrong. But don't feel bad, most do. I don't want to offend you brother and I commend you for caring enough to write your comments but sadly, you missed the mark pretty dramatically.

You failed to see Mystery Babylon, the Mother of all Harlots as Islam and it's city in the wilderness is MECCA, which is what they are. You also failed to identify that Rev 13 Beast of the Sea is not global as the location is identified as the area of Bear, Leopard, Lion which is Iran, Iraq and Syria today. You failed to see that the Kings of the Earth are the Arab Oil Kings. I just skimmed your book to see if you picked up on these key points. Once I saw that you didn't I stopped.

Well its easy to look for our own stuff (or our own points of view) in other peoples stuff (or in their own points of view) and if we dont find our own stuff (or our own points of view) in the same on a skim job we stop and call it wrong.

That doesnt mean its wrong, it would be nice to show ones opposing views (from out of the scripture) rather then just say so (as most do).

So when you say,

Yeah, you got most if it wrong. But don't feel bad, most do.

Its always says the other guy (who got it right) according to himself.

How is this any different from what every man on the planet does in resapects to his own viewpoint? lol

 

[dcontroversal]

Big bold letters do not impress me...

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

We know this is Christ returning.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

He takes the Beast and the False Prophet and burns them to death but that is not all that is going on here...

Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

So, the Beast power invades these nations but new from North and East trouble him...

Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Now we see a 200 million man army (North and East) coming against the Beast power. These come together in the plain of Megiddo...

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

We see here the time frame: the Day of the Lord.

The actual battle does not occur at Har Meggido (Armageddon), it occurs in the valley of Jezreel just outside of Jerusalem...

Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

This battle is the final battle. The Beast power squares off with the 200 million man army from the East. Just at this time, Christ returns and this occurs...

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

And the blood flows down this valley, bridle deep on a horse, for about 200 miles. This brings us back to Rev 19...

Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The armies of the Beast and the men of the East are left scattered on the battlefield and the carrion eaters pick their bones clean.

This is not EVERYONE on earth, this is only the armies that fought against Christ, those humans that remain live over into the Millennium and are then converted...

Eze 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Isa 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
Isa 35:9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:
Isa 35:10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

God will bring Israel back to the land and convert them, then they will lead the Gentiles to God and salvation during the Millennium...

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

God has a much different perspective that man has...

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

There is coming a wonderful Millennium of peace, prosperity and salvation for all.[/QUOTE]


Except the ones who die accursed at the age of 100 and those gathered at the end of the 1000 years by Satan when loosed from the smoking pit for a little season.......

 

[popeye]

Big bold letters do not impress me...

That breaks my heart

Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Hmmmm,
Then Why would you post verses using them?
Too funny

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yeah, you got most if it wrong. But don't feel bad, most do. I don't want to offend you brother and I commend you for caring enough to write your comments but sadly, you missed the mark pretty dramatically.

You failed to see Mystery Babylon, the Mother of all Harlots as Islam and it's city in the wilderness is MECCA, which is what they are. You also failed to identify that Rev 13 Beast of the Sea is not global as the location is identified as the area of Bear, Leopard, Lion which is Iran, Iraq and Syria today. You failed to see that the Kings of the Earth are the Arab Oil Kings. I just skimmed your book to see if you picked up on these key points. Once I saw that you didn't I stopped.

My study was not based on the doctrines of other men, nor is it based on youtube videos, or on world news and current events to try to force scripture to fit current events. My study is based on scripture, and using the scriptures to identify, interpret and explain the deep symbolisms found in the book of Revelation by comparing spiritual things with spiritual, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Anyone who truly knows scripture, also knows the Mother of Harlots has been around long before Islam and the faith in Muhammad the false prophet was even around. So your judgment of my discernment skills means little to me. And like I said before, not all will receive it....that is to be expected.

 

[popeye]

Problem with that for me is that we are talking about the marriage of the Lamb which occurs AFTER the GT/DotL...

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

The resurrection occurs at His coming...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

This is described as the time of the last trump...

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The last trump does not sound at the beginning of the GT/DotL.

Problem with that for me is that we are talking about the marriage of the Lamb which occurs AFTER the GT/DotL...

1) jesus said"I will not drink of the fruit of the vine again till I drink it anew with you in heaven.
2) Jesus said "I go to prepare a place for you" this is what the jewish groomm told the jewish bride at betrothal.
3)7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
She becomes the wife in heaven
........now of course if these verses were omitted,we could just speculate away.

 

[popeye]

You aren't comprehending what you're reading............"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

John saw a door open to heaven and then he was immediately in the spirit. The rest of what he saw was from a first person viewpoint. He was transported thru that portal to heaven to view what God put before him. When he was in the spirit in chapter one he was on this earth. There is very clearly a distinction in those two events. You need to read the OP again and dwell on it. Two very separate events.

Seriously, what do you think "come up hither" means?

Yep you beat me to it.
There is no evidence to believe ANYTHING other than what you posted.

 

[Chica]

You aren't comprehending what you're reading............"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

John saw a door open to heaven and then he was immediately in the spirit. The rest of what he saw was from a first person viewpoint. He was transported thru that portal to heaven to view what God put before him. When he was in the spirit in chapter one he was on this earth. There is very clearly a distinction in those two events. You need to read the OP again and dwell on it. Two very separate events.

Seriously, what do you think "come up hither" means?

Thanks, I did misread your OP. MY BAD!

 

[PlainWord]

My study was not based on the doctrines of other men, nor is it based on youtube videos, or on world news and current events to try to force scripture to fit current events. My study is based on scripture, and using the scriptures to identify, interpret and explain the deep symbolisms found in the book of Revelation by comparing spiritual things with spiritual, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Anyone who truly knows scripture, also knows the Mother of Harlots has been around long before Islam and the faith in Muhammad the false prophet was even around. So your judgment of my discernment skills means little to me. And like I said before, not all will receive it....that is to be expected.

I am happy not to receive your false interpretations. Islam is Mystery Babylon. Islam is just the latest form of false religions going all the way back to Egypt and Babel. You correctly identified the region of Zech 5 Land of Shinar as ancient Babylon, modern day Iraq. This is the exact location that ISIS is now operating and the exact same region of the Lion, Leopard, Bear nations of Rev 13:2. It is here that the radical Islamic killing machine has started. The Beast of the Sea arises from this area.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I am happy not to receive your false interpretations. Islam is Mystery Babylon. Islam is just the latest form of false religions going all the way back to Egypt and Babel. You correctly identified the region of Zech 5 Land of Shinar as ancient Babylon, modern day Iraq. This is the exact location that ISIS is now operating and the exact same region of the Lion, Leopard, Bear nations of Rev 13:2. It is here that the radical Islamic killing machine has started. The Beast of the Sea arises from this area.

When the "great city" Mystery Babylon falls it is a global event, as the scriptures say "the cities of the nations fall." If Mecca fell today who gives a hoot??? LOL Sorry, but Islam and Iraq, Iran and Syria etc are just a small piece of a much larger global beast system made up of all nations peoples and tongues (many waters). They are a part of the picture, but not the whole.

Those who swear falsely by the Lords name(per Zech) are all part of that Harlot system (wickedness in the land of Shinar)....including Christians and Jews who are hypocrites, swearing falsely by the Lords name.

 

[PlainWord]

When the "great city" Mystery Babylon falls it is a global event, as the scriptures say "the cities of the nations fall." If Mecca fell today who gives a hoot??? LOL Sorry, but Islam and Iraq, Iran and Syria etc are just a small piece of a much larger global beast system made up of all nations peoples and tongues (many waters). They are a part of the picture, but not the whole.

Those who swear falsely by the Lords name(per Zech) are all part of that Harlot system (wickedness in the land of Shinar)....including Christians and Jews who are hypocrites, swearing falsely by the Lords name.

You are mixing two events. The Fall of Mystery Babylon - MECCA is a totally different and earlier fall than the Great Earthquake that comes in association with the return of Christ. When MECCA falls, Rev 18, the merchants in the Red Sea will lament. They stood at a distance and threw dust on their heads (a Muslim custom for mourning). If you want to learn where these merchants are from, see Ezek 27. They are all in the Muslim world and today all sell to Saudi Arabia and the other Arab kings who are living luxuriously.

The symbolism of Mystery Babylon is that she is the Mother of all Harlots which means the biggest of all false religions. Further, she is riding a scarlet beast, the same beast that will turn on her and devour her. So you need to consider which religion has a group who hates it's own religion enough to destroy its most holy city? I submit to you that both Iran and Isis hate the Saudis enough to nuke MECCA, whenever they can. You can read all about how the Saudis are building a fence along their northern boarder and how terrified of ISIS they are. You can also read how the leader of ISIS, al-Baghdadi has called for the attack and destruction of Saudi Arabia.

The "Kings of the Earth" are the rich Arab Oil Kings. These are the kings who are committing fornication with Islam. It is Islam who is drunk with the blood of the saints. It is radical Islam of the North who hates moderate Islam of the south and who destroys it. It is the Muslim world who aligns against Israel in the end.

Where did the Children of Israel go upon being delivered from the first beast (Egypt)? They passed through the Red Sea and into Saudi Arabia. Where is Mount Sinai where the 10 Commandments (the Law) was given? In Saudi Arabia.

Gal 4:

For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— [SUP]25 [/SUP]for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— [SUP]26 [/SUP]but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Who is the persecutor of Israel? The Arab world.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” [SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Once you understand that the "SEA" is the Northern Islamic Group and that the "Earth" is the Southern Islamic Groups then you can understand that we are talking about a regional conflict which does spill over in the form of terrorism, but most of Revelation is regional. The Earth is NOT the whole world. Daniel discusses the King of the North and South which John calls "Sea" and "Earth" in Rev 13. The North (SEA) wishes to impose its radical form of Islam on the moderates to the South (Earth).

The "waters" are Muslims from all over the world.

“The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues."

Muslims come from all over the world to MECCA for the Haj. These "waters" make up 1/4 of the world's population.

 

[PlainWord]

When the "great city" Mystery Babylon falls it is a global event, as the scriptures say "the cities of the nations fall." If Mecca fell today who gives a hoot??? LOL Sorry, but Islam and Iraq, Iran and Syria etc are just a small piece of a much larger global beast system made up of all nations peoples and tongues (many waters). They are a part of the picture, but not the whole.

Those who swear falsely by the Lords name(per Zech) are all part of that Harlot system (wickedness in the land of Shinar)....including Christians and Jews who are hypocrites, swearing falsely by the Lords name.

One more point. Don't let the below phrase throw you:

“The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.

Peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues is not everyone on the planet. This phrase is nearly identical to this one from Dan 3:

“To you it is commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, [SUP]5 [/SUP]that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up;

Now was the entire planet living in Babylon at the time or under the control of Babylon in Daniel's time? Of course not. Islam will deceive the nations just as she is doing now. No nation, except Israel, even dares to stand up and call out the Islamic world. Who is able to wage war with Islam? Nobody.

Islam is Satan's special religion that he uses to try to destroy Israel and the church.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You are mixing two events. The Fall of Mystery Babylon - MECCA is a totally different and earlier fall than the Great Earthquake that comes in association with the return of Christ. When MECCA falls, Rev 18, the merchants in the Red Sea will lament. They stood at a distance and threw dust on their heads (a Muslim custom for mourning). If you want to learn where these merchants are from, see Ezek 27. They are all in the Muslim world and today all sell to Saudi Arabia and the other Arab kings who are living luxuriously.

The symbolism of Mystery Babylon is that she is the Mother of all Harlots which means the biggest of all false religions. Further, she is riding a scarlet beast, the same beast that will turn on her and devour her. So you need to consider which religion has a group who hates it's own religion enough to destroy its most holy city? I submit to you that both Iran and Isis hate the Saudis enough to nuke MECCA, whenever they can. You can read all about how the Saudis are building a fence along their northern boarder and how terrified of ISIS they are. You can also read how the leader of ISIS, al-Baghdadi has called for the attack and destruction of Saudi Arabia.

The "Kings of the Earth" are the rich Arab Oil Kings. These are the kings who are committing fornication with Islam. It is Islam who is drunk with the blood of the saints. It is radical Islam of the North who hates moderate Islam of the south and who destroys it. It is the Muslim world who aligns against Israel in the end.

Where did the Children of Israel go upon being delivered from the first beast (Egypt)? They passed through the Red Sea and into Saudi Arabia. Where is Mount Sinai where the 10 Commandments (the Law) was given? In Saudi Arabia.

Gal 4:

For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— [SUP]25 [/SUP]for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— [SUP]26 [/SUP]but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Who is the persecutor of Israel? The Arab world.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” [SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Once you understand that the "SEA" is the Northern Islamic Group and that the "Earth" is the Southern Islamic Groups then you can understand that we are talking about a regional conflict which does spill over in the form of terrorism, but most of Revelation is regional. The Earth is NOT the whole world. Daniel discusses the King of the North and South which John calls "Sea" and "Earth" in Rev 13. The North (SEA) wishes to impose its radical form of Islam on the moderates to the South (Earth).

The "waters" are Muslims from all over the world.

“The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues."

Muslims come from all over the world to MECCA for the Haj. These "waters" make up 1/4 of the world's population.

Your trying to take news and current events and make scripture fit into them, instead of trying to hear what the Spirit is saying in scripture first and foremost. Again, these times we are in are just a part of the whole, but your focused more on a single faith in a single geographic location to fulfill all these events....but scripture shows the fall of Babylon is much bigger than you suggest, it is global.

You say the merchants are of the Red sea area, but scripture says....

Revelation 18:3-4 "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

And again .....Revelation 18:9-11 "And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:"

I went over all this in my study how the scriptures show this is a global event, and if your interpretations are not in line with what scripture says then what good is it? But I know how people hold to certain views, and I'm not here to change minds, only the Lord can do that.

When Babylon does fall then perhaps you'll understand the meaning of it to be much bigger and broader than you first thought, as the truth shall make itself known. Peace.

 

[PlainWord]

Your trying to take news and current events and make scripture fit into them

No the times we are in are fitting the scriptures. We are coming up on the 2,000th anniversary of the resurrection of Christ (2,033). It was 2,000 years from Adam to Abraham, another 2,000 from Abraham to Christ. This leaves 1,000 for a millennial reign of Christ for a perfect 7,000 years of mankind.

your focused more on a single faith in a single geographic location to fulfill all these events

There is a reason for that, we are told it is in a specific geographic region. Please pay close attention to what Daniel says and what he refers to as "the Beasts from the Sea."

Dan 7 (Truncated for effect):

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The first was like a lion... [SUP]5 [/SUP]“And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear...

[SUP]6 [/SUP]“After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard...

Where does John say the Beast of the Sea comes from (Rev 13:2)

And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea... [SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.

Surely you can see a perfect match?? What region is this?

but scripture shows the fall of Babylon is much bigger than you suggest, it is global.

It is not global at the start. It starting right where John says it would!!

Revelation 18:3-4 "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

What is the "wine" of the region that all nations have drunk from? Oil. How have the Arab kings of "the Earth" become rich? Selling oil to all nations.

I went over all this in my study how the scriptures show this is a global event

You showed this incorrectly. This is a Muslim Tribulation caused by Muslims aimed at Muslims, then Jews, then Christians.

Read Ezekiel 38-39. Which countries go against Israel?

In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel.

The "YOU" mentioned are:

Gog, of the land of Magog, Rosh,Meshech, and Tubal, Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya, Gomer, Togarmah from the far north.

But they don't just attack Israel, they attack Saudi Arabia too.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Sheba, Dedan, the merchants of Tarshish, and all their young lions will say to you, ‘Have you come to take plunder? Have you gathered your army to take booty, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to take great plunder?’”’

When Babylon does fall then perhaps you'll understand the meaning of it to be much bigger and broader than you first thought, as the truth shall make itself known.

When Mecca falls, you will know.

Peace.

Peace friend.

 

[ChristInUs]

Mecca has nothing to do with the bible. The focus is Israel and not the demonic religion of Islam. Mecca is where Muhammad meet a demon.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Rev 18:12-13 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Why would wine= oil

When wine and oil can be shown separately?

I dont get it

 

[ChristInUs]

Wine and oil ( and even Water) are symbolic of the Holy Spirit which most churches reject.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Wine and oil ( and even Water) are symbolic of the Holy Spirit which most churches reject.

Im not asking you I am asking the one who said one equals the other, but thats my fault because I didnt adress Plainword, I over posted you rather then get in behind him