Revelation

[eternally-gratefull]

all premill is private interpretation - Dispensational premill zionism (jesuit intrique)is a cult of Satan ( Revelation 18:4) just as the Roman Catholic Church is

lol. This is funny. Since Amil is a roman catholic doctrine. Based on every one of their doctrines. Twisting the word of God in allegory, Mixing the inspired word of God with words of men found in their historical books and confessions, and rejecting the literal interpretation of the word. Which does not support their man made, Paganistic, Anti-semetic doctrines.

You may have rejected many of their doctrines. But this one, you feel hook line and sinker, and drowned in it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How do you know i am not a Jew ? Or my wife ? Your assumptions regarding me are the same as your assumption concerning scripture. You will destroy yourself with your private interpretations ( 2 Peter 1:20 ) in the same way you are serving two masters (Christ & Zionism) Matthew 6:20 . You teach and spread lies ( Revelation 18:4 ) Repent and trust in The Lord Jesus Christ of Scripture - not the jesus of Antichristian zionism ( 2 Corinthians 11:14 )

lol. Because your anti-semetism wreeks. You would never marry a jewish woman. And you would not be so hateful against your own people.

 

[popeye]

Matt 24.

He who endures to the end will be saved.

No unbeliever will enter the kingdom age alive.

AND ALL THE REST. The word rest is key here. If it was just the armies who were killed. then it would just say and ALL OF THEM.

Sometimes you have to think outside the box. and not with blind eyes.

If you have a valid point,make it.

How does it help your position to insult someone?

Show me ,without the need to insult,the verses where every humanoid is killed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The focus is Israel, agreed. But Revelation goes into great lengths about Mystery Babylon, the Mother of all Harlots. Mecca is the religious capital of this Mother of all False Religions. Mecca is the only religious city that fits every single description.

Your forgot the vatican city, It fits it far better then mecca ever has.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Daniel's Fourth Beast was Rome!!! Rome is in the past and it is not coming back to life as the final beast. John does not give the location of Rome when he discusses the Beast from the Sea. John makes clear again as I showed that his Beast from the Sea is from the Lion, Leopard, Bear region.

Daniel's Beasts were:

1. Babylon (Lion)
2. Medo Peria (Bear)
3. Leopard (Greece)
4. Rome

John recaps all the Beasts:

[SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Medo Persia
5. Greece
6, Rome (the beast of John's day)
7. Ottoman Empire
8. Final Beast (from the Sea from same region as Beasts 3-5, Daniel's 1-3).

John never says that his final beast devours the whole earth, Daniel says that about his final (4th beast) which was Rome and which happened in the past. Perhaps that is why you think John's Beast is global because you have mistakenly thought it was the same as Daniel's beast?? Don't feel bad, it's a rookie mistake many make.

Daniel never tells us that his fourth beast is the last beast. He tells us it's different from the others and devours the whole earth. If you read on in Dan 7 you see that indeed, Rome is gone at the end and is replaced by 10 horns then another horn.

Dan 7:24-25:

The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand...

The above is the end and agrees with Rev 13:2

And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns...

Ten horns which arise from Rome. The last part of Rome to fall was the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire). It's headquarters was Constantinople named after Roman Emperor Constantine. The Ottomans defeated the last part of the Roman Empire around 1299 AD and took over modern day Turkey. Constantinople is now called Istanbul which is of course part of the Leopard region of the "Beast from the Sea."

The Beast that was, and is not, yet is the eighth is partly made up of Turkey. When the Ottoman Empire died in 1922 following WWI, it was the first time that one beast did not immediately transition to the next beast in the sequence. We've had nearly a 100 year break, hence, the 7th beast was, then was not, but will come back.

Is any of this getting through to you?

The final beast is rome.

Daniel spoke of 4 beasts. The final beast was alive suffered a fata womb, and then was healed and came back stronger than the first incarnation.

 

[john832]

Matt 24.

He who endures to the end will be saved.

No unbeliever will enter the kingdom age alive.

AND ALL THE REST. The word rest is key here. If it was just the armies who were killed. then it would just say and ALL OF THEM.

Sometimes you have to think outside the box. and not with blind eyes.

Or preconceived ideas.

 

[PlainWord]

Your forgot the vatican city, It fits it far better then mecca ever has.

Haha, no it doesn't.

1. Do Italians throw dust on their head to mourn?
2. Are Jackals indigenous to Rome?
3. What merchants of the earth are getting rich selling to the Vatican? The Vatican is the smallest nation on earth and their imports are tiny
4. The "kings of the earth" are not living luxuriously on being Catholic
5. Catholics recognize the one true God. They have plenty of doctrinal issues but they are not worshiping Allah and Muhammad or an image which fell from the sky
6. Rome is NOT located in a wilderness/desert
7. John would have recognized Rome as it was the center of his world

 

[PlainWord]

The final beast is rome.

Daniel spoke of 4 beasts. The final beast was alive suffered a fata womb, and then was healed and came back stronger than the first incarnation.

John spoke of 8 beasts. Daniel's final beast was indeed Rome but nowhere does Daniel tell you that Rome comes back to life, nor does Daniel tell you that Rome is the final beast on earth. Read Dan 7 again. 10 horns arise from Rome then another horn arises. I covered this already. The final 8th beast is of the 7, and one head was mortally wounded, yet lived. This head was not Rome, it was the Ottoman Empire. I swear, does anyone read anymore?

 

[john832]

This keeps going in cycles, a few years ago Iran was the KoS, now ISIS is. The truth of the matter is that Egypt was the KoS and was not overrun or invaded. Egypt, Libya and Ethiopia are the KoS, Daniel gives us a great big hint...

Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

Rome swallowed up the Seleucids at the time of Antiochus IV Epiphanes and thus became the KoN. This KoN is the Beast power and The vision in Dan 2 shows this.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Revelation mirrors Daniel in a lot of ways. Daniel was obviously a favorite of John's as he uses Daniel's symbolism a lot in Revelation.

"Fornication" as used by John means "Idol worship" or the worship of a false religion. The "kings of the earth" which are the rich Arab Oil Kings fornicated (or worshiped/served Islam).

If you remember back to Daniel 5:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then they brought the gold vessels that had been taken from the temple of the house of God which had been in Jerusalem; and the king and his lords, his wives, and his concubines drank from them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold and silver, bronze and iron, wood and stone.

The next thing that happened was God's finger writing on the wall and it was curtains for Babylon. Please note that Belshazzar ordered the holy vessels to be taken and filled with wine and they all got drunk. After this they praised the "god of riches/wealth."

Now look at how John puts it, obviously thinking about Daniel and original Babylon.

“Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, [SUP]2 [/SUP]with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”

What is the source for the wealth of the Arab Kings? What is the rest of the earth buying from these sheiks? They aren't literally getting drunk on Saudi wine, they are getting rich on Saudi Oil. The west has looked past a lot of Saudi crimes and treatment of women, minorities, Christians, etc all for oil. If the Saudi's didn't have the most oil of any country, nobody would talk to them.

That verse in Daniel was the very one I was going to post back to you given they drank the wine and praised the gods of those other things which are also called abominations.

Another example is in Duet

Duet 29:17 And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them) See also Rev 9:20

Also seeing covetousness is idolatry

Jerm 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

More specifically here...

Jerm 51:13 O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness.

Even as Jesus said,

That which is highly esteemed among men (even the covetousness he was adressing in Luke) is abomination in the sight of God.

Shows one can be a golden cup in His hand

Jerm 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken

And then

Rev 17:4 ...having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Filthiness and idols are spoken of together

Likewise, which did corrupt with the same

Rev 19:2 which did corrupt the earth with her fornication

I certainly cant argue against covetousness

Although being drunk with the blood of the saints and the measure of her (that dwellest upon many waters) covetousness (which is also idolatry) are spoken of together.

 

[john832]

John spoke of 8 beasts. Daniel's final beast was indeed Rome but nowhere does Daniel tell you that Rome comes back to life,

Uh, John does...

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

[john832]

John spoke of 8 beasts. Daniel's final beast was indeed Rome but nowhere does Daniel tell you that Rome comes back to life, nor does Daniel tell you that Rome is the final beast on earth. Read Dan 7 again. 10 horns arise from Rome then another horn arises. I covered this already. The final 8th beast is of the 7, and one head was mortally wounded, yet lived. This head was not Rome, it was the Ottoman Empire. I swear, does anyone read anymore?

Ten horns, first three were pagan, last seven under the authority of the "little horn", the papa.

Ten resurrections of the Roman empire, seven of which are the "Holy Roman Empire"

 

[phil112]

Haha, no it doesn't.

1. Do Italians throw dust on their head to mourn?
2. Are Jackals indigenous to Rome?
3. What merchants of the earth are getting rich selling to the Vatican? The Vatican is the smallest nation on earth and their imports are tiny
4. The "kings of the earth" are not living luxuriously on being Catholic
5. Catholics recognize the one true God. They have plenty of doctrinal issues but they are not worshiping Allah and Muhammad or an image which fell from the sky
6. Rome is NOT located in a wilderness/desert
7. John would have recognized Rome as it was the center of his world

What is it about "Revelation is a symbolic book" do you not get?

 

[PlainWord]

This is what John saw...

[SUP]3 [/SUP]So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The "Woman" John saw he did not recognize. Therefore it could not be Rome and it could not be Jerusalem. The city John saw is a religious city where pagan worship occurs. Mecca is located near the Red Sea, the busiest shipping lane in the world.

 

[PlainWord]

What is it about "Revelation is a symbolic book" do you not get?

no kidding Revelation is a symbolic book. What's your point??

 

[PlainWord]

Uh, John does...

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Correct, John does and he does not tell you it's Rome.

 

[PlainWord]

Ten horns, first three were pagan, last seven under the authority of the "little horn", the papa.

Ten resurrections of the Roman empire, seven of which are the "Holy Roman Empire"

Where do you get this stuff from? You are trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Hello people!! Babylon is the Mother of all False Religions. Islam is the pink elephant in the room that fits every single description to a tee all the way back to its roots with Ishmael. The beginnings of Mecca are attributed to Ishmael's descendants. Islam is by far the world's largest pagan religion complete with a false god and a false prophet. They kill by beheading those who do not agree with them. They are enemies of Israel and Christians. When is the last time we heard of a Catholic priest running through a crowded place killing people?

Islam is so obviously it yet apparently none of you, except Kenneth, have eyes to see the obvious. I love you all but see that I am wasting my time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Haha, no it doesn't.

1. Do Italians throw dust on their head to mourn?
2. Are Jackals indigenous to Rome?
3. What merchants of the earth are getting rich selling to the Vatican? The Vatican is the smallest nation on earth and their imports are tiny
4. The "kings of the earth" are not living luxuriously on being Catholic
5. Catholics recognize the one true God. They have plenty of doctrinal issues but they are not worshiping Allah and Muhammad or an image which fell from the sky
6. Rome is NOT located in a wilderness/desert
7. John would have recognized Rome as it was the center of his world

lol..You are blinded by your preconcieved ideas, as usual.

The vatican has more wealth than most nations on earth.

The vatican makes money from almost every nation on earth

The vatican actually has ambassadores to almost every nation if not all. WHich means the kings of the earth look to her for guidance and suggestions

roman catholicism is actually a very large industry, which means they have to purchase alot of goods and services to keep her industry moving (making them rich)

I can go on and on and on. but you will not listen anyway. so why bother.

mecca has non of these characteristics.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

to add to my above post.

the vatican has killed more jews and christians than any other force on earth

The vatican has had many offspring of churches who take her harltry to the world (which is why she is the mother) Many so called protestant churches still follow her idolatrous ways.

a harlot acts as thw wife, and resembles her Islam in no way even exemplifies what true christianity is, in fact they deny christ and everything about him, meaning he does not even acknowledge the true wife, where as the vatican does.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

John spoke of 8 beasts. Daniel's final beast was indeed Rome but nowhere does Daniel tell you that Rome comes back to life, nor does Daniel tell you that Rome is the final beast on earth. Read Dan 7 again. 10 horns arise from Rome then another horn arises. I covered this already. The final 8th beast is of the 7, and one head was mortally wounded, yet lived. This head was not Rome, it was the Ottoman Empire. I swear, does anyone read anymore?

it is obvious you do not read.

Daniel spoke of characteristics of the last part of the final beast which rome in Christs day never fulfilled

Daniel said that beast would suffer a fatal wound, and be brought back to life, stronger than he was before, that was never fulfilled.

Maybe if you read with an open heart, and not with a closed mind, you would see this.