Is Jesus Christ YHWH God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob??

[Definition_Christ]

I'm a Christian, the Kingdom rests upon His shoulders- Jesus Christ, yet you claim there is one greater, whom is that? There is none Greater then Jesus Christ, He is Almighty God and in His Name I am saved.

JESUS HIMSELF SAID...

John 14:28
You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Hebrews 8
1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer.
4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law;
5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

'right hand', God took Israel out of Egypt with His right hand of power, His right hand is hand of power, and thus He proclaimed Himself God, and thus He was charged by the Jews for proclaiming Himself God of Heaven and Earth, as by which course he would draw what is His to Him, yea all things, by this way, so it is written. He is the majesty, and He is the only one on the only High throne in Heaven.

 

[Definition_Christ]

'right hand', God took Israel out of Egypt with His right hand of power, His right hand is hand of power, and thus He proclaimed Himself God, and thus He was charged by the Jews for proclaiming Himself God of Heaven and Earth, as by which course he would draw what is His to Him, yea all things, by this way, so it is written. He is the majesty, and He is the only one on the only High throne in Heaven.

Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

JESUS HIMSELF SAID...

John 14:28
You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

It's like debating a Muslim...LOL...

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father.

No, the right hand IS the power, Jesus and the Father are One and the same, only one sitting on the throne, and that is Jesus Christ.

 

[Definition_Christ]

It's like debating a Muslim...LOL...

Not really, I agree Jesus is the eternal son of God and you don't. You believe He is just the son of God - not eternal Son though.. So actually you would be agreeing with the muslims that God didn't always have a Son.

 

[Definition_Christ]

No, the right hand IS the power, Jesus and the Father are One and the same, only one sitting on the throne, and that is Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 8
1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,

Jesus is seated AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE THRONE. The Father is sitting on the throne.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Im not here to convince you of anything, but if there are 3 bodies then the Bible would also specify 3 thrones for them since if they are equal then the have no other gods before me would be conflicted to say there is only 1 throne. who sits on the 1 throne? who gets to step back from HIS deity to allow only 1 be in the throne of GOD. to believe there are 3 tells me i have a bridge over the desert sand of Arizona which i live want to buy some ocean front property near it?

Actually that is exactly what you are trying to do, and as long as we participate in the conversation, we are trying to convince you. when Jesus was on earth, was God in heaven?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Hebrews 8
1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,

Jesus is seated AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE THRONE. The Father is sitting on the throne.

"Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power" Exodus 15:6

What we have in the Bible is the use of figures of speech, which means the form in which words are used, not just any words because these words are taught by the Holy Spirit; 1.Cor 2:3. 1 Pet. 1:21.

the figure of speech is used out of its ordinary sense, or place, or manner, for the purpose of attacting attention to what is thus said, a figure of speech is designed to emphasise what is said, it is a legitimate departure from the law of language in oreder to emphasise, this is more true in a real sense rather than less true, and is figurative, and figurative for the fact of emphasis, intensity, volume in speech and the pattern of words.

Anthropopatheia; condescension. Ascibes to God what belongs to human and rational beings, irrational creatures, or inanimate things.

The Throne of God, does not literally have a right hand, but the figurative use of the words emphasise the power of the postion, the 'right hand' is the stongest highest position of the Throne, and that position is occupied by Jesus Christ.

 

[joint-heir]

Actually that is exactly what you are trying to do, and as long as we participate in the conversation, we are trying to convince you. when Jesus was on earth, was God in heaven?

GOD was in heaven in SPIRIT and on earth in flesh and SPIRIT at same time.

 

[Definition_Christ]

"Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power" Exodus 15:6

What we have in the Bible is the use of figures of speech, which means the form in which words are used, not just any words because these words are taught by the Holy Spirit; 1.Cor 2:3. 1 Pet. 1:21.

the figure of speech is used out of its ordinary sense, or place, or manner, for the purpose of attacting attention to what is thus said, a figure of speech is designed to emphasise what is said, it is a legitimate departure from the law of language in oreder to emphasise, this is more true in a real sense rather than less true, and is figurative, and figurative for the fact of emphasis, intensity, volume in speech and the pattern of words.

Anthropopatheia; condescension. Ascibes to God what belongs to human and rational beings, irrational creatures, or inanimate things.

The Throne of God, does not literally have a right hand, but the figurative use of the words emphasise the power of the postion, the 'right hand' is the stongest highest position of the Throne, and that position is occupied by Jesus Christ.

Not a figure of speech.. Just trying to twist the Word is all.


Hebrews 8
1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,

Jesus is seated AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE THRONE. The Father is sitting on the throne.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

GOD was in heaven in SPIRIT and on earth in flesh and SPIRIT at same time.

Amen, 'joint-heir' does not deny God His humanity.

God stepped down off His throne in Heaven to salvage a lost, rebellious and dead creation, and He was less, in fact He become so low He was tried and found guilty (He was innocent), cursed, tortured, insulted, and crucified and died, and went to Hell, AND HE ENDURED THE AGONIES OF HELL, HE WENT DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, MADE TO BE ALL SIN AND PUNISMENT THAT EVER EXISTED, AS A MAN! Well who can deny Him His manhood after that. He IS THE BEGINNING AND THE END, does not matter in which direction you go, He has been there, He ends it, and He starts it, and if He wants to be as man, He will be as man and speak as man, because He is a man, and He lived as a man and died as a man and prayed as a man, and it well for us that He did, otherwise we would all be lost, so do not ever deny Him His position.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Not a figure of speech.. Just trying to twist the Word is all.


Hebrews 8
1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,

Jesus is seated AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE THRONE. The Father is sitting on the throne.

No, it's actually a figure of speech which the truth thereof is revealed to a Christian, as I said it, how can a Jew understand this? He cannot, is only revealed by the Spirit, the Spirit says its a 'figure of speech', let each one of you make up his/her own mind as the Spirit guides.

 

[Definition_Christ]

No, it's actually a figure of speech which the truth thereof is revealed to a Christian, as I said it, how can a Jew understand this? He cannot, is only revealed by the Spirit, the Spirit says its a 'figure of speech', let each one of you make up his/her own mind as the Spirit guides.

OK You win cup. I'm done arguing with you.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

OK You win cup. I'm done arguing with you.

"Oh Thou that savest with THY RIGHT HAND"!!!!! Ps 17:7

"The saving strength of HIS RIGHT HAND" Ps. 20:6

"Which His RIGHT HAND hath purchased" Ps 78:54

"Of the RIGHT HAND of the Most High"!!!! Ps 77:10

 

[Definition_Christ]

"Oh Thou that savest with THY RIGHT HAND"!!!!! Ps 17:7

"The saving strength of HIS RIGHT HAND" Ps. 20:6

"Which His RIGHT HAND hath purchased" Ps 78:54

"Of the RIGHT HAND of the Most High"!!!! Ps 77:10

Has nothing to do with the throne..

Hebrews 8
1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,

Okay now I'm done

 

[charisenexcelcis]

OK You win cup. I'm done arguing with you.

You must of learned the method from "Cool Hand Luke". Enjoy your thread.

 

[Graybeard]

So is this now also a figure of speech?

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

now what about this..Jesus is interceding for us to who?

Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

So is this now also a figure of speech?

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

now what about this..Jesus is interceding for us to who?

Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Another messianic Jew who does not use the holy Spirit who cannot understand that the right hand is the power. I see you to are hexed.

 

[Graybeard]

Another messianic Jew who does not use the holy Spirit who cannot understand that the right hand is the power. I see you to are hexed.

Merry Christmas to you too! but can you answer the question?

now what about this..Jesus is interceding for us to who?

Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.