Sabbath

eternally-gratefull · Mar 24, 2015

There have been many posts that show that Christ was crucified on Wednesday, buried at sunset Wednesday and raised three days and three nights later on Sabbath afternoon. Bear with me, I will write it up and post shortly.

Every scripture you posted refers to the seventh day not the first day. Does that tell you anything?

Let me give you a few N.T. scriptures and then you can tell me which day is incumbent on N.T. Christians...

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Christ says here that His Law will not pass away.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

If you will enter into life, ignore some of the Commandments? It says keep the Commandments, doesn't it?

Act 13:13 Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem.
Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

So, here is Paul on which day? The seventh day Sabbath.

Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Here are the Gentiles asking that Paul would preach to them on the seventh day Sabbath. Notice he did not say come back tomorrow so that I can show you the new way. He simply came back the next seventh day Sabbath...

Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Here is nearly the entire city of Gentiles back on the seventh day Sabbath. Why didn't Paul reveal to them the day had been changed? If it were changed, he kept it well hidden.

Act 16:12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Act 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
Act 16:15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.

Now we see the example of Lydia in the Gentile city of Philippi baptized into the church on the seventh day Sabbath. Again, why no instruction about the change from the seventh day to the first day.

Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Paul's manner was the seventh day Sabbath. Notice the question being addressed here?

Act 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

The Sabbath was NOT the question, Jesus being the Christ was the question.

Act 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Notice here what day he reasoned with them on? Why did Paul keep the change from the seventh day to the first day such a secret? Because there was no change.

Now consider the conference in Acts 15...

Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

This question brought such an uproar that a church conference had to be called...

Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

And what was the question?

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

Circumcision! How much more of an uproar would there have been over the changing of one of the Ten Commandments? Yet we read no mention of the change of the Sabbath to Sunday anywhere in the New Testament.

We do however read this...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Seems innocuous enough but what does it really say? The word for rest here is Sabbatismos and means keeping the Sabbath. The Diaglott has this...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.

And what Sabbath (rest) is this referring to?

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

If there were a change in a doctrine that was as important as the changing the Sabbath to Sunday, why is there no mention in the New Testament? There was quite a lot of arguing raised by the change of circumcision from the flesh to the heart, yet the Sabbath is not mentioned.

Acts 20:7
[ Ministering at Troas ] Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

as far as meetiing on saterday, it is when the jews met. So of course paul would go to them on Saturday, he had an audience.

Sabbath is not a day of worship, it is a day of rest.

Colossians 2:16
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

eternally-gratefull · Mar 24, 2015

john832 said:

The law is still in effect.

It still leads as a schoolmaster all those who need Christ.

It still proves to the believer he is still a wretched person, worthy of condemnation, not worthy of Gods love or salvation, and will until the day that person dies, or the end occurs whichever happens first.

unfortunately for meany legalists. the law has not done its job.

john832 · Mar 24, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

Now if this is really the change to another day from the Sabbath, the change is Sunday night to Monday morning...

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Act 20:8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.
Act 20:9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
Act 20:10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.
Act 20:11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.

The daybreak would be on Monday morning. That when most churches meet today?

john832 · Mar 24, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

We see this differently, the schoolmaster was the Law of sacrifices...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

The Law is still necessary because it defines sin. One hundred lifetimes of one hundred years each of perfect obedience cannot earn eternal life, it is the gift of God (Rom 6:23). The Law shows us right and wrong, it does not save us.

GandalfTheWhite · Mar 24, 2015

john832 said:

We see this differently, the schoolmaster was the Law of sacrifices...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

The Law is still necessary because it defines sin. One hundred lifetimes of one hundred years each of perfect obedience cannot earn eternal life, it is the gift of God (Rom 6:23). The Law shows us right and wrong, it does not save us.

Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

God even said so in His OT

eternally-gratefull · Mar 24, 2015

john832 said:

lets see, the disciples broke bread on sunday, He taught to them.

that night, he continued to teach to them, until daybreak.

Ever been to all all night sunday service? I have, monday morning, I was tired.

either way it does not matter, The sabbath was never intended to be a day of worship. It was intended to be a day of rest. God rested on the 7th day, He did not go out and teach, or be taught, or do churchy stuff.

it takes alot to put a church service together, and do all you have to do to go. Thats not rest, thats work.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 24, 2015

john832 said:

And you would be wrong, Because paul even said, I would not know coveting unless the law said, do not covet. This is the context of when paul called the law our schoolmaster.

Of course, if you think you can keep the law 100 % (you are sinless) then you have no need for the law. or a schoolmaster.

for the rest of us, It still does its job, Thats why we place our hope in Christ, Because we have no hope. but condemnation

eternally-gratefull · Mar 24, 2015

GandalfTheWhite said:

all that does was prove no one was ever saved by the law. Because everyone has failed to do what moses commanded. To confirm and obey EVERY WORD written in the law. Failure to do so brings a curse.

But paul said in gal. We are freed from the curse. No longer under it. That is grace, and that is salvation. The author you quoted understood that, unfortunately to many today STILL do not understand it.

prove-all · Mar 24, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

Paul taught allways on the 7th day, even to after dark, ending the sabbath,
starting the first day of the week,

a work day, evening came it was time to eat dinner, after dark, most times they all lived together ,

and ate together , [not every] meal is worship. breaking bread is [eating a meal] and giving thanks.

this was a work day, paul , after sunrise, walking a great distance, to meet his companions.
his buddies where allready rowing a boat after the sabbath ended, on work day the first day.

now Paul as custom, taught jews and gentials, not only to the jews, but both on same day,
but on Gods day Sabbath.He taught 3 years on the Sabbath, working the 6 other days to make a living,

when did he preach to gentials?

as Jesus was [his custom] to, teaching jews and gentiles both at the same time,
the word who made it,preached on it.

a day God made by putting his presence into it, and santified and blessed,
all others he made working, and he rested, as his custom to, not because he was tired,

but he will give us rest on 7th thousand years of man, and the 7th day of the week is a reminder for us,
a warning to not do as they did, looking for food on it, [no faith] and died before seeing the promise land.

answered question on,see post 42 and 33 , 38, 70 and other posts.

verse should read, do not let any man tell you about a Sabbath days [but] Christ, the rock,
founder of the church.for they where made for God by God, and told to honor them,

you will go through fire on one of these holydays.

answered on 61 and other posts.

prove-all · Mar 24, 2015

GandalfTheWhite said:

yes but the Sabbath were given convocations to congration before the law,

the laws does not affect them.

in the beginning, you rested in him in them days, no physical work for money days, spend on him.

daily sacrifices started after disbelief and disobedience, the law covent did not make them,
law can not take away.

God does not want sacrifices, but does tell us to honor him on his days, his way,
not like the fathers before us.

mailmandan · Mar 24, 2015

john832 said:

Show me the scriptures, not posts. Why is it so important for you to believe Wednesday-Friday instead of Friday-Sunday?

Yes, the first day of the week "Sunday" follows the seventh day. Mark 15:42 shows that Jesus was crucified "the day before the Sabbath" (Sabbath is Saturday) which was a Friday crucifixion.

I'm not arguing that the Law passed away. Christ fulfilled the Law, but Romans 6:14 - we are not under Law but under grace. John 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Before showing him the way to life, Jesus wanted to impress on the young man both the high standard required by God and the absolute futility of seeking salvation by his own merit. This should have elicited a response about the impossibility of obeying the law perfectly, but instead the young man confidently (and self righteously) declared that he qualified for heaven under those terms (vs. 20). This man missed the point that Jesus was making, failed to place his faith in Jesus for salvation, and continued to trust in his riches (vs. 21-23). How many commandments did he break right there? His face fell and he went away sad because he could never part with his great wealth, not even in exchange for eternal life. By His words to the rich young ruler, Christ did not mean to say that any man would be saved by the works of the law, for the Bible teaches plainly that such will not be the case (Romans 3:20-30). Jesus responds to each individual a little differently because He knows where their need is. He didn't respond to the woman at the well, or Nicodemus or this person the same way did He? Yet the consistent pattern in scripture is saved through faith, not works.

I'm not arguing that the Sabbath day changed from Saturday to Sunday and now on Sunday we must bake what we will bake today, and boil what we will boil; and lay up for ourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning; or let every man remain in his place; and let no man go out of his place on the seventh day; and anyone who works on the Sabbath shall be cut off from his people and put to death (have you rounded up any people lately and stoned your neighbor to death for mowing his lawn on the Sabbath?); and kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day. Do you observe all of this? Is this binding on Christians under the New Covenant?

Who said the day changed with all it's rules and regulations? Paul said in Colossians 2:16 - let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. It sounds to me like you are looking to be justified by keeping the law. James 2:10 - For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. Good luck with that!

I don't call Sunday the Jewish Sabbath day and I don't put my neighbor to death for working on Saturday or Sunday either. The Jewish Sabbath was the last day of the week or Saturday and is nowhere affirmed as binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

You went through a lot of trouble to disprove something that I was not claiming. So do you keep the Jewish Sabbath on Saturday? Do you bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourself all that remains, to be kept until morning? Do you remain in your place and not go out of your place on the seventh day? Do you never work on the Sabbath? Have any of your people been cut off (are they Jewish?) and or put to death for working on the Sabbath?) Do you kindle no fire (no cooking) throughout your dwelling on the Sabbath day? Do you believe this will help you merit your salvation?

eternally-gratefull · Mar 24, 2015

prove-all said:

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? [SUP]10 [/SUP]You observe days and months and seasons and years. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Paul spoke of the law here, Including this saterday crap of meeting for church. (yes I call it crap, because your placing people under law. Saturday is a DAY OF REST. THATS IT!!

News flash. The church met often (most likely daily) in people houses. the churches in the city gathered on the first day of the week to take an offering, and listen to general instruction. Read acts. they did not just meet on Saturday is some temple called Gods house.

But they studied the word, Fellow shipped. Broke bread, and prayed together as often as they could. Not just on saterday.

Again, The church lost its way, and so many people have not found their way back.

prove-all · Mar 24, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

AN OBSERVER OF TIMES

GAL.4
[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them
which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God,
or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly
elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

[10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.
[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Its speaking of those who observe times,
it says nothing about sabbath or feast days.

DEUT.18
[9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his
daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination,

OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,
[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits,
or a wizard, or a necromancer.

2 CHR.33
[3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father
had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves,
and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.

[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof
the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.
[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in
the two courts of the house of the LORD.

[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom:

ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used
witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards:
he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards.
Its speaking of the occult. Not about following sabbath days.

LEV.19
[26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood:
neither shall ye use enchantment, (NOR OBSERVE TIMES).

[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom,
and the land become full of wickedness.

[30] (YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS), and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

it says You [shall not] observe times, [BUT] you shall keep [my sabbaths says the Lord].

but again they do as there forfarthers did also, to there down fall.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 24, 2015

prove-all said:

AN OBSERVER OF TIMES

GAL.4
[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them
which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God,
or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly
elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

[10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.
[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Its speaking of those who observe times,
it says nothing about sabbath or feast days.

DEUT.18
[9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his
daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination,

OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,
[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits,
or a wizard, or a necromancer.

2 CHR.33
[3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father
had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves,
and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.

[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof
the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.
[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in
the two courts of the house of the LORD.

[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom:

ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used
witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards:
he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards.
Its speaking of the occult. Not about following sabbath days.

LEV.19
[26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood:
neither shall ye use enchantment, (NOR OBSERVE TIMES).

[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom,
and the land become full of wickedness.

[30] (YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS), and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

it says You [shall not] observe times, [BUT] you shall keep [my sabbaths says the Lord].

but again they do as there forfarthers did also, to there down fall.

it says days. or did you read over that.

paul was speaking of observing jewish days, of which the sabbath was one.

he was talking about going from pagan ritualism, to jewish ritualism.

ritualism is not from Good. And God does not want your ritualism, he wants to be your father, and you to be his son.

and why did you ignore the rest I said.

i said it once, twice, three times, I will say it again..

saturday is a day of rest, not to worship God. we should worship God every day.

prove-all · Mar 24, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

explained on post #66 before about how,

the doctrune of rome has filled its coffers with that collecting verse.

and fellowship was done every day, making sure what was taught was right.
but breaking bread is eating a meal, not talking with your mouth full.

but does [command] us to [not] do youre regular job for money, and honor him that day special

1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order
to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.........see post 66

posted answer on #57 post

God does not command us to not worship everyday of the week,
like we should be doing[anyway allways]

but does [command] us to [not] do youre regular job for money, and honor him that day special

eternally-gratefull · Mar 24, 2015

prove-all said:

explained on post #66 before about how,

the doctrune of rome has filled its coffers with that collecting verse.

and fellowship was done every day, making sure what was taught was right.
but breaking bread is eating a meal, not talking with your mouth full.

but does [command] us to [not] do youre regular job for money, and honor him that day special

1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order
to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.........see post 66

posted answer on #57 post

God does not command us to not worship everyday of the week,
like we should be doing[anyway allways]

but does [command] us to [not] do youre regular job for money, and honor him that day special

this is jibberish, I did not understand a thing you said.

prove-all · Mar 24, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

maybe you should go back and read through my back posts on this Sabbaths subject,

i will be happy to answer a question that i have [not] covered.

prove-all · Mar 24, 2015

God made [wine] so we could celebrate on most of [his] holy days, with merryment and gladness

and some of the kings danced around, and sang with joy, and played lots of instraments on them.

john832 · Mar 24, 2015

mailmandan said:

First of all, it is important…

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Christ says it is the ONLY sign He would give. This sign identifies Him as the TRUE Messiah.

mailmandan said:

Let’s look at the scriptures and see if Friday/Sunday holds up…

Sunday worship is based on a Sunday morning resurrection tradition. The truth is that Christ was resurrected about sunset on Sabbath afternoon.

And since you want the scriptures, here they are…

We already read Mat 12:39-40 stating that was the sign that Christ was the true Messiah, so when do we start counting? There are a couple of directions to come from.

First one is the seventy weeks prophecy of Daniel 9…

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The decree went forth in 457BC. 7 weeks plus 62 weeks equals 69 weeks. There are 483 days in 69 weeks. Now we apply the day for a year principle (Num 14:34 and Ezek 4:6) and we have 483 years. So add 483 years to 457BC and we come to 27AD the year Christ began His 3-1/2 year ministry. This puts the crucifixion in 31AD. The Passover was on Wednesday, April 25, 31AD.

Christ was crucified on the Passover which was a Wednesday. Now notice Mat 12:40 says He would be in the tomb for three days and three nights. How long is a day?

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Daylight portion is 12 hours and the night portion then is 12 hours.

So what else precludes a Friday/Sunday burial resurrection…

I believe you mentioned Mark 15:42…

Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

Now what Sabbath is this? The weekly Sabbath?

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

The day after Passover was the First Day of Unleavened Bread and it is a Sabbath, an annual Sabbath and as we will see later, it is called an HIGH DAY.

Mar 15:47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.

These ladies saw where He was buried but don’t stop reading there…

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

When did they buy and prepare them?

Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

Remember Mark 15:47? Here is the same account in Luke.

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

This requires them to prepare the spices and then rest again. Another Sabbath that week. So they returned and prepared the spices and ointments. They did not do this on the Sabbath that immediately followed His entombment. For one thing, no shops would be open to buy the spices and ointments and secondly, they did not prepare them on the Sabbath. They did this the day after the First Day of Unleavened Bread. Notice…

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Notice here the day immediately after the crucifixion was an HIGH DAY? It was the annual Sabbath, the First Day of Unleavened Bread. It occurred on Thursday. The ladies did not have time to buy and prepare the spices and ointments prior to sunset, and the next day was an high day, an annual Sabbath, so they could not prepare them then. Now again notice in Luke 23…

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

The did not buy them on Saturday night, the shops were still closed and would not open until morning.

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Now they rest according to the Commandment; the fourth Commandment. They rested on the weekly Sabbath.

Now we come to the timing of the resurrection…

Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Raised ON the third day.

Mar 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

WITHIN three days.

Mar 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

AFTER three days.

There is only one span of time that will allow all three statements to be true. At the end of the third day exactly. Just as Christ said in Mat 12:40 three days and three nights later. We read in John 11:9 that there are 12 hours in the day and 12 hours in the night. So we put all of the scriptures together and we determine that Christ was in the tomb 72 hours, three days and three nights EXACTLY as He said He would be.

Three days and three nights, 72 hours after being entombed just before sunset requires a resurrection just before sunset. From just before Wednesday sunset we add three days and three nights and come to Saturday afternoon just before sunset.

It really does matter, if Christ did not do what He said He would do, He failed to fulfill the ONLY sign He said He would give and to compound the problem, He would have lied.

He told the truth and was resurrected three days and three nights after entombment EXACTLY as He said He would be.

valiant · Mar 24, 2015

john832 said:

But the people to whom Paul was speaking did not observe the Jewish practise of evening to evening. To them the first day of the week began at midnight and ended at midnight. That was why Paul emphasised the fact.

Indeed you have pinpointed the folly of arguing about the Sabbath. The Sabbath was evening to evening in Palestine. Move to the other side of the world and no one knows which is the Sabbath. It changes along with the international date line.

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