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john832

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Keeping the law is offensive to the flesh also. for the flesh loves sin and hates righteousness.
You are absolutely correct here...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

It is the carnal mind that cannot subject itself to God's Law.
 

john832

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Think of the person you love the most. If you harmed them, you have to pay the penalty of the law of the land you live in for harming them don't you. What if the penalty for harming them could be removed from your life? Would you then want to harm the person you loved the most because there was no penalty to pay for your actions? No! But however much you loved them, you would never act perfectly towards them, for you live in weak human flesh
Why would you not harm them if the penalty was removed? Because you love them.
What you want to remove is not the penalty, you want to remove the Law that condemns you for harming them.
 

JaumeJ

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God rested on the seventh day, and He made it a holy day of rest, a separated day from working days. He had created all that is in this age the other six days. The seventh day is a gift to His childre to rest from mundane labor and have a day just to be with Him.

In study of the Word I do not find anywhere that the seventh day has been abolished as the day of rest. The seventh day represents much more than a day for me. It is written that a thousand years is as a day with the Lord. It may or may not mean anything to anyone else, but we are approaching the end of the sixth millenium, and the seventh is at our doorstep, a thousand years, which is like a day to our Father. Now the calendar of the Bible, lunar, has been calculated acording to the Word using the generations in Genesis back to Adam and before to creation.

Because some geneologies were omitted beccause the numbers just were not there, we are much closer to that seventh than the calendar year shows. No one knows just how many years are missing, but they are enough that one may easily suspect the seventh day is very near.

Some in the forum may think I should tire of repeating this time and again, but I do not. It is my due to share this with all, for it is good news to all who await the returnof our Savior. God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.

Do we need to keep the sabbath? I dunno if I posted about this but I am still confused.

Matthew 5:19 says that if you ignore the least of these commands you get the least position in heaven. So can someone please explain this to me?

btw, what is the purpose of the Sabbath and why is it so hard to keep?
 

KohenMatt

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Keeping Sabbath is what you do and boast in it. The cross will not let you boast.
Who is boasting, and in what post are they boasting in?
Uh, please show me ONE post where I have ever boasted in the Sabbath. Why is doing what Christ says to do boasting?

Why is doing what Christ said to do boasting in the Sabbath? You have a problem with obedience?
I want to go back to this, and I would like ChristinUs to specifically address this. Almost a challenge if you will.....

You said that he boasts in the Sabbath, and you have been told twice that is not the case. Please note the exact post where anyone said that. If you're going to make accusations like that, provide the reference, especially when challenged to do so.

Otherwise, your accusations are baseless and hold very little value.
 
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What you want to remove is not the penalty, you want to remove the Law that condemns you for harming them.
The law cannot condemn you if there is no penalty attached for breaking it
 

john832

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The law cannot condemn you if there is no penalty attached for breaking it
Uh, why do you think you need the sacrifice of Christ? For fun?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The wages of sin is death. If Christ's sacrifice is not applied each and every time you break the Law, you die for all eternity.
 
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Uh, why do you think you need the sacrifice of Christ? For fun?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The wages of sin is death. If Christ's sacrifice is not applied each and every time you break the Law, you die for all eternity.
I wondered why I bothered to reply(sigh!)

Jesus sacrifice removes the penalty of sin from the believers life, I didn't think that would need explaining
 
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Uh, why do you think you need the sacrifice of Christ? For fun?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The wages of sin is death. If Christ's sacrifice is not applied each and every time you break the Law, you die for all eternity.
Its a great covenant if you will accept it.

The power of sin is the law 1Cor 15:56

The true power of sin is the penalty attached to the law if you break it.

So the law got transferred God requires you to keep from an external law to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts. Therefore the law remains intact you are required to keep, but the penalty(the true power of sin) of sin was removed, for Jesus died to pay that penalty at Calvary

Therefore, by Christ's sacrifice at Calvary, he not only died to pay the penalty of your sin but to break the true power of sin over you.

Therefore the born again Christians heartfelt desire to obey can now come to fruition, for what opposes onedience (sin) has been dealt a crushing blow by Jesus removing its true power from your life

Now why did I write all that, me thinks I ain't gonna get an Amen!
 
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it makes sense only to the living.

the dead have no sense. the number of dead far exceed the number of living.
here and everywhere.

in a day, that can change, if yahweh has and shows mercy on many here. he would delight to.
we'll see if people let him.

JESUS.............
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we follow the lamb wherever he goes, no lie is found in our mouths, we are blameless.



simple idoits of aerht, don't you realize yet that
faith is what matters, AND that

.................................... no one whose master is jesus disobeys him !!!!!!!?


without faith it is impossible to please yahweh.
without works, you are a liar if you say you have faith.

faith produces works. works do not produce faith.

just like a body, without a spirit is dead;

with a living spirit the body lives and breathes and MOVES and does things


..............THAT A LIVING BODY DOES.

with FAITH >>>>>>>>> LIVING BODY
with LIVING BODY >>>>>ACTIONS AND DEEDS AND ACTS OF BELIEF, LIFE, "DOING"

without LIVING BODY >>>> no faith, no actions, no deeds, no acts, no belief, no life, no "DOING"

IF either no faith
.................OR no actions, no deeds, no acts , ((no motion, no muscle, no breathing))

....................................THEN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NO LIFE

Sigh, I will say this again: God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. You are arguing in the flesh that is why it is not making sense...
 

john832

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I wondered why I bothered to reply(sigh!)

Jesus sacrifice removes the penalty of sin from the believers life, I didn't think that would need explaining
Hmmm, so you think that is one and done?

Why would Christ teach us to pray thusly?

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

You don't go to God daily and ask forgiveness?
 

john832

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Its a great covenant if you will accept it.

The power of sin is the law 1Cor 15:56

The true power of sin is the penalty attached to the law if you break it.

So the law got transferred God requires you to keep from an external law to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts. Therefore the law remains intact you are required to keep, but the penalty(the true power of sin) of sin was removed, for Jesus died to pay that penalty at Calvary

Therefore, by Christ's sacrifice at Calvary, he not only died to pay the penalty of your sin but to break the true power of sin over you.

Therefore the born again Christians heartfelt desire to obey can now come to fruition, for what opposes onedience (sin) has been dealt a crushing blow by Jesus removing its true power from your life

Now why did I write all that, me thinks I ain't gonna get an Amen!
Paul says that it is a struggle and that he had to strive to obey...

2Ti 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

James was giving the church some strong correction here...

Jas 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

In fact, when one reads Paul's letters to the churches, there is some strong correction in each of them. Now why did he need to do that if everyone were perfectly obedient and never had a wrong thought cross their mind?

Now if you never have a wrong thought ever cross your mind, you are indeed a very exceptional person for you are perfect and don't need the sacrifice of Christ. You never sin. (yeah, right).
 

john832

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I wondered why I bothered to reply(sigh!)

Jesus sacrifice removes the penalty of sin from the believers life, I didn't think that would need explaining
No, you keep saying that Jesus sacrifice removes the LAW from the believers life.
 
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Paul says that it is a struggle and that he had to strive to obey...

2Ti 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

James was giving the church some strong correction here...

Jas 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

Now why did he need to do that if everyone were perfectly obedient and never had a wrong thought cross their mind?

Now if you never have a wrong thought ever cross your mind, you are indeed a very exceptional person for you are perfect and don't need the sacrifice of Christ. You never sin. (yeah, right).
Very interesting, but why write the above in response to my post?
 

john832

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The law cannot condemn you if there is no penalty attached for breaking it
Again, a complete misunderstanding of scripture...

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

Or do you think that Paul lied?
 
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No, you keep saying that Jesus sacrifice removes the LAW from the believers life.

Please produce a post of mine where I have stated the law itself is removed from the believers life.

Thank you
 

john832

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Please produce a post of mine where I have stated the law itself is removed from the believers life.

Thank you
So you believe that the Law is in effect for believers? How ya doing with that fourth one?
 
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So you believe that the Law is in effect for believers? How ya doing with that fourth one?
The law God desires you to keep remains intact. As to your specific point. Those born again of the Holy Spirit do not need to set aside a specific day of the week, those stuck in the literal letter alone.......
 
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No, you keep saying that Jesus sacrifice removes the LAW from the believers life.
Are you going to produce a post of mine that states what you claim? Or are you going to apologise for saying I state what I do not?
Or don't you think an apology is necessary for claiming I state what I do not?