-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Most Biblical Scholars agree that in the time Moses sat down and wrote the first 5 books it was a well known fact that when a king spoke he would speak in the 3rd person reference. Only those who claim 3 GODS try to claim that Genesis 1:26 is speaking of the so-called 3 GODS speaking amongst themselves. Most Biblical Scholars refer to this as GOD ALONE (JESUS Colossians 1:15-17) was speaking to HIS CREATED angels since EVERYTHING is CREATED in the image of GOD or since GOD is KING of ALL HE refered to himself as it was normal by other kings as you read the Egyptian, Greek, Assyrian, Roman, Hebrew, Philistines, and other kingdoms would refer themselves as. After all GOD is the example to man so man would follow this example even in reference to themselves in that time period after creation even up to 118th century kings refered to themselves still in this very manner.
We must also remember GOD ALONE is SPIRIT by which the SPIRIT of GOD is a HOLY SPIRIT. And this SPIRIT GOD speaks life and breathes life. The very WORD spoken is by which the SPIRIT GOD became flesh to fulfill 2 obligations unto CREATION. 1. That GODS WORD wrapped in FLESH filled with the HOLY SPIRIT because even in flesh HE still is the SPIRIT GOD and HE became a death sacrifice to omit sin and defeat the advesary thru ressurection simply by GOD speaking it so thus it happened. 2. GOD became flesh to set before the EYES of mankind and EARS of mankind to BE THE EXAMPLE by which we as mankind are to live for GOD and serve GOD. Who better than GOD HIMSELF to present the PERFECT EXAMPLE for how we as mankind are to LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY. AND EVEN on the verge of becoming the ULTIMATE SACRIFICE by which no man has ever been beaten and scourged and humiliated being stripped naked and presented to all humanity to dies the most agonizing death by suffication at the ultimate MAX...what did GOD do? HE showed us that in the worst of times to go to GOD and pray. Not once, but HE did it 3 times so we would GRASP this and apply this to our ownselves. The disciples learned by GOD agonizing and facing the untilmate LOVE SACRIFICE HE did as HE preached time and time again to PRAY AND SEEK GOD. Now, many want to say HE praid to HIS FATHER. NO HE DID NOT. THE FLESH TO BE SACRIFICED CRIED OUT TO THE SPIRIT the same as we do in our time of trouble we immediately go directly to our SPIRIT GOD JESUS and we say JESUS help me or JESUS I am sorry however it may be. BUT, when JESUS cried out in prayer HE immediately set-forth in action how we are to do when we face adversity ourselves.
JESUS is GOD. JESUS is the flesh by which we are able to visibly see GOD. With all of the pagan religions and centuries of false beliefs GOD HIMSELF gave us an visible PERSPECTIVE of who HE IS and by this alone even the gentiles believed...PRAISE GOD!!!
I
1 Corinthians 14:24-28
For he (JESUS) MUST REIGN, TILL HE (JESUS) HAS PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET (JESUS')
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he (THE FATHER) hath put all things under (JESUS) feet. But when he (THE FATHER) saith all things are put under him (JESUS), it is manifest that he (THE FATHER) IS EXCEPTED, which did put all things under him (JESUS). 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him (JESUS), then shall the Son (JESUS) also himself be subject unto him (THE FATHER) that put all things under him (THE FATHER), that God (THE FATHER) may be all in all.
Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
How can God Almighty have a God? He is not the Father.
Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.
He is the express image of the Father. The perfect reflection of truth. But still the image.
I enjoy how you add/remove scripture for your own reasoning and if I am not wrong we are told not to do this.
I enjoy your understanding but i dis-agree.
JESUS is the flesh of GOD and being expressed image or as in Colossians 1:15 image of invisible GOD means that in SPIRIT or in FLESH JESUS still IS GOD...
D
Let's not forget the rest of that verse 
..
Isaiah 44:6 (King James Version)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6 (Young's Literal Translation)
Thus said Jehovah, king of Israel, And his Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts: `I [am] the first, and I the last, And besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6 (American Standard Version)
Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.
Interesting verse YOU would point out.. Speaks of TWO SEPARATE Persons as Jehovah
..Isaiah 44:6 (King James Version)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6 (Young's Literal Translation)
Thus said Jehovah, king of Israel, And his Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts: `I [am] the first, and I the last, And besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6 (American Standard Version)
Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.
Interesting verse YOU would point out.. Speaks of TWO SEPARATE Persons as Jehovah
C
Let's not forget the rest of that verse ..
Isaiah 44:6 (King James Version)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6 (Young's Literal Translation)
Thus said Jehovah, king of Israel, And his Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts: `I [am] the first, and I the last, And besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6 (American Standard Version)
Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.
Interesting verse YOU would point out.. Speaks of TWO SEPARATE Persons as Jehovah
..Isaiah 44:6 (King James Version)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6 (Young's Literal Translation)
Thus said Jehovah, king of Israel, And his Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts: `I [am] the first, and I the last, And besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6 (American Standard Version)
Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.
Interesting verse YOU would point out.. Speaks of TWO SEPARATE Persons as Jehovah
Our language is so limited. Jesus is the truth, absolutely. And there is truth that can be gained from study of the scripture, but this truth is not Jesus. Jesus is revealed to us by the Holy Spirit alone. One of our problems as a body is that we have a standard which was never given to be our standard. The written word is for correction and teaching and other things, but our standard has been and must become again the living Spirit of Christ, active and ruling in the body of Christ. This was a difficult revelation for me to receive, and the way of hearing was very hard. I did not want to see this. It has been 15 years now, and not only has nothing come about to change my conviction, it has proven to be even more important as time passes. It is something that I ask of those who might be willing, that they only ask the Spirit in earnest prayer. If so, it can become the first in many new revelations which will shake away all that is not as He would want in us.
In His peace,
In His peace,
Indeed, and Biblically that is the truth. But people these days it seems are not satisfied with what the Bible says. If Jesus was the Father. The Apostle Paul is discredited, Jesus own words could not be true, neither could his Father's. Neither could Peter or John's.
It is a tragedy in my opinion, that so many are not willing, or able it seems to accept the plain, simple words of the Bible.
I am indeed weary of posting Bible verses to prove this, people just ignore them. If they ignore1Cor15:24-28 they will ignore anything, it is written so plainly, it is absurd how anyone can just dismiss it.
And the person who wrote those words was picked out by Jesus himself to spread the Gospel message. He wrote nearly half the books of the NT. But it is not enough for man and his wisdom.
I could use earthly logic to convince myself of anything if I chose to. The Bible says Abraham is the Father of an everlasting covenant. The Bible also says, people are God's to whom the word of God came.
So if Isiaih9:6 means Jesus is God the Father is Abraham God also? He could be called an everlasting Father of a covenant, and be refered to as a God, Biblically.
Where does all this end I ask myself?
It took man 350 years after the death of Christ to say he was God the Father. Then not all agreed. But man's wisdom is a stumbling block to the things of God; it always was and it always will be.
But these people who dismiss such plain and simple verses in the Bible will always insist you accept literally and fully any scripture they quote you.
It is a tragedy in my opinion, that so many are not willing, or able it seems to accept the plain, simple words of the Bible.
I am indeed weary of posting Bible verses to prove this, people just ignore them. If they ignore1Cor15:24-28 they will ignore anything, it is written so plainly, it is absurd how anyone can just dismiss it.
And the person who wrote those words was picked out by Jesus himself to spread the Gospel message. He wrote nearly half the books of the NT. But it is not enough for man and his wisdom.
I could use earthly logic to convince myself of anything if I chose to. The Bible says Abraham is the Father of an everlasting covenant. The Bible also says, people are God's to whom the word of God came.
So if Isiaih9:6 means Jesus is God the Father is Abraham God also? He could be called an everlasting Father of a covenant, and be refered to as a God, Biblically.
Where does all this end I ask myself?
It took man 350 years after the death of Christ to say he was God the Father. Then not all agreed. But man's wisdom is a stumbling block to the things of God; it always was and it always will be.
But these people who dismiss such plain and simple verses in the Bible will always insist you accept literally and fully any scripture they quote you.
C
The Word provides an objective Truth. The Spirit provides subjective Truth. The Word teaches us the things of God. It is infallable and inerrant. It provides an unchanging judgement that cannot be easily twisted. (As you can see from this thread, that doesn't prevent some from trying). The Spirit illuminates the Word of God and brings relationship.
I respectfully disagree. The written word is not part of the Godhead. The Spirit is not subservient to the written word. The word came from God, while the Spirit is God.
But please understand that differences in understanding will not cause my seeing another person in a different light. How I see others is the sole function of the Spirit, and every fulfillment of His requirements for me are meet much more than adequately in the wondrous Holy Spirit. He abundantly exceeds in every area of my life with the Father.
In His peace,
But please understand that differences in understanding will not cause my seeing another person in a different light. How I see others is the sole function of the Spirit, and every fulfillment of His requirements for me are meet much more than adequately in the wondrous Holy Spirit. He abundantly exceeds in every area of my life with the Father.
In His peace,