Do people actually speak in Tongues (for real) anymore?

[peacefulbeliever]

One last tidbit to ponder. Tongues was a gift before the new testament was written. If tongues is so important, don't you wonder why not one single sentence made it into scripture?

I'm not sure what you are saying . . . .

How was tongues a "gift" before the new testament when the infilling of the holy Spirit with the manifestation of tongues was initiated on the day of Pentecost?

In Acts when the Gentiles received the gift of holy Spirit - how did Peter know they had received the gift of holy Spirit?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not sure what you are saying . . . .

How was tongues a "gift" before the new testament when the infilling of the holy Spirit with the manifestation of tongues was initiated on the day of Pentecost?

In Acts when the Gentiles received the gift of holy Spirit - how did Peter know they had received the gift of holy Spirit?

so people did not speak in tongues in the OT?

yes it is the manifestation of the spirit but the spirit worked in the OT too. just not as much and permanent as in the new.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

so people did not speak in tongues in the OT?

yes it is the manifestation of the spirit but the spirit worked in the OT too. just not as much and permanent as in the new.

I don't believe so . . . The birth of the "church", when the apostles were baptized, i.e. filled and received the gift of holy spirit is what I see as the first occurrence of this manifestation. Yes, the holy spirit worked in the OT also and I can see evidence of the manifestation of word of wisdom, word of knowledge, healings, miracles, faith, discerning of spirits and prophecy but not the manifestation of tongues with interpretation.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:4,5 And being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm not sure what you are saying . . . .

How was tongues a "gift" before the new testament when the infilling of the holy Spirit with the manifestation of tongues was initiated on the day of Pentecost?

In Acts when the Gentiles received the gift of holy Spirit - how did Peter know they had received the gift of holy Spirit?

His point was.....If tongues were so important then why was not one statement, sentence etc. that was given in the use of tongues not translated and or included in scripture.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't believe so . . . The birth of the "church", when the apostles were baptized, i.e. filled and received the gift of holy spirit is what I see as the first occurrence of this manifestation. Yes, the holy spirit worked in the OT also and I can see evidence of the manifestation of word of wisdom, word of knowledge, healings, miracles, faith, discerning of spirits and prophecy but not the manifestation of tongues with interpretation. Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on high. Acts 1:4,5 And being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

I believe if God needed them to, they did. People prophesied in the OT. There was healing in the OT. I think people to put much emhasis on gifts. And not enough on what Paul said the church was. a body of believers.

 

[mikeuk]

I understand full well that speaking in tongues is an actual spiritual gift, and am in no way implying that it didn't (or even doesn't still) happen. However, there seem to be a lot of people who are just fakers at this gift that do it for attention or as an emotional outburst, but not from God.

In fact, I have never met a Christian in my life yet who had the ability to (as far as I can tell) really speak in tongues. Maybe they were and just needed an interpreter, so I don't know. But every time I've actually heard somebody speak in "tongues" I can tell that these people are struggling with trying to make up words that sound like language or are talking just plain gibberish.

At any rate, not having an interpreter around to translate and make edification of the other worshipers (including myself) possible is really not ideal, practically speaking. I believe there are actually scriptures concerning that point. How can the other Christians that do not understand what the speaker is saying receive admonishment and encouragement from what is being said if there is no one to interpret?

That said, I do not believe I have ever met a person in my life who has spoken in real tongues. Nor have I met anyone who claims to have met such a person. Those who have "used the gift" in front of me were obviously posers, so I'm really beginning to think this whole speaking in tongues thing is really just not that prominent anymore.

And what's the use? I just look at the speakers who apparently "have the gift" like they're insane most of the time anyway!

Seriously, is there anybody out there who really speaks in tongues anymore, and where could I find an interpreter for such people? The "tongue speakers" are rare to be sure, but the "interpreter people" seem to be practically non-existant.

How can I learn spiritual truth from someone whom I can't understand? And how can I tell they are actually saying anything (or what they are saying) without an interpreter? Plus, any unbeliever that comes in and here's these people just thinks that they're high on drugs anyway! To me, this whole tongues thing seems to be getting counterproductive to the Cause of Christ unless we start getting some interpreters.

There are celebrated cases of writing and speaking languages ( not babble! But such as Hebrew and Aramaic ) flawlessly by uneducated peasants. Although I suspect to relate some of the cases would stir up a storm!

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I believe if God needed them to, they did. People prophesied in the OT. There was healing in the OT. I think people to put much emhasis on gifts. And not enough on what Paul said the church was. a body of believers.

If it seems I am putting too much emphasis on the manifestation of the gift of holy spirit - I am not meaning to and I apologize if it seems that way. I just believe that it is important or scripture wouldn't say for us not to be ignorant of spiritual matters.

I did say there were healings in the OT.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

His point was.....If tongues were so important then why was not one statement, sentence etc. that was given in the use of tongues not translated and or included in scripture.....

I just know that Paul by revelation wrote 3 chapters on the manifestation of the gift of holy spirit . . . he wrote for us not to be ignorant of spiritual matters . . he wrote that the manifestation of the Spirit were given to all men for profit . . . he wrote how they were to be operated in the church, the assembly of believers . . .

That's all I know and I guess that's all God figured we needed to know . . . .

 

[dcontroversal]

I just know that Paul by revelation wrote 3 chapters on the manifestation of the gift of holy spirit . . . he wrote for us not to be ignorant of spiritual matters . . he wrote that the manifestation of the Spirit were given to all men for profit . . . he wrote how they were to be operated in the church, the assembly of believers . . .

That's all I know and I guess that's all God figured we needed to know . . . .

And he also within those three chapters used the words...cease, vanish away and fail (verse 8-13 Chapter 13.......)

 

[notuptome]

I don't believe so . . . The birth of the "church", when the apostles were baptized, i.e. filled and received the gift of holy spirit is what I see as the first occurrence of this manifestation. Yes, the holy spirit worked in the OT also and I can see evidence of the manifestation of word of wisdom, word of knowledge, healings, miracles, faith, discerning of spirits and prophecy but not the manifestation of tongues with interpretation.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:4,5 And being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Only one baptism of the Holy Spirit. For the disciples it was in the upper room when Jesus appeared to them and breathed upon them the Holy Spirit. John 20.

Pentecost was a filling of the Holy Spirit for a specific purpose in the ministry of the word of God. Peter spoke and folks heard him in their own languages. Not a complete fulfillment of Joel 2 but a fulfillment of Acts 1.

Ephesians 2 teaches us that the Holy Spirit quickens us in Christ unto eternal life. This is the one baptism of the Holy Spirit. Many fillings but only one baptism.

Actual biblical tongues in a modern church are extraordinarily rare. Conversely the false tongues are ever present.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[peacefulbeliever]

And he also within those three chapters used the words...cease, vanish away and fail (verse 8-13 Chapter 13.......)

Since you believe that that which is perfect [complete, mature] is scripture - Can you explain what it means to see scripture "face to face"?

Since you are not receiving "word of knowledge" from God any longer because it has vanished - why should I believe what you are saying?

Do you see everything clearly now or do you still see darkly? Do you know even as you are known?

DC - these are just rhetorical questions . . . no offense meant.

Love you in Christ! PB

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Only one baptism of the Holy Spirit. For the disciples it was in the upper room when Jesus appeared to them and breathed upon them the Holy Spirit. John 20.

If they were alone in an upper room - how did all those Parthians, Medes, Elamites, Mesopotamians, etc. hear them speak in tongues [languages the apostles did not know but were given to them by God] and magnify God?

Pentecost was a filling of the Holy Spirit for a specific purpose in the ministry of the word of God. Peter spoke and folks heard him in their own languages. Not a complete fulfillment of Joel 2 but a fulfillment of Acts 1.

All the people were present for the Feast of Pentecost . . . the gift of holy spirit was given as a witness that the promise of the Father had been sent. AFTER being baptized in holy spirit, they began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance - those that were present heard their languages spoken. The apostles did not KNOW the languages, Peter then preached to those present in his own language.

Ephesians 2 teaches us that the Holy Spirit quickens us in Christ unto eternal life. This is the one baptism of the Holy Spirit. Many fillings but only one baptism.

Actual biblical tongues in a modern church are extraordinarily rare. Conversely the false tongues are ever present.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes, there is one baptism - the baptism of the holy spirit wherein believers receive the gift of holy spirit [Acts 2:38] and can manifest all nine manifestations.

I believe actual biblical tongues are spoken in churches today ONLY it is done in an improper way - not by one or two or at the most by three and each one interpreting. THAT is the incorrectness, that is the abuse of the use of the gift of holy spirit - not operating as instructed by scripture.

 

[MarcR]

Let us consider what Scripture says about tongues:

Mk 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 .They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
KJV

Note that NOTHING is said about believers following after these signs!

Ac 2:3-4
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
KJV

Note that NOTHING is said about human encouragement or instruction.

Ac 2:5-11
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
KJV


At first known tongues were given to fascilitate sharing the Gospel.

Ac 10:44-48
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
KJV


Here we see tongues used to persuade Jewish believers that gentiles can and do receive the same Holy Spirit as Jews do.

NOTHING is said about tongues being an essential evidence of salvation.


Ac 19:1-6
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
KJV


Here the intent seems to be to show Pagans that the indwelling Holy Spirit brings more than belief and mental activity.



1 Co 12:7-11
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
KJV


Here the intent is to show that tongues are NOT A UNIVERSAL GIFT in the church.


1 Co 12:7-11
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
KJV

Here the intent is to reinforce the fact that tongues are NOT A UNIVERSAL GIFT in the church.

1 Co 14:5-6
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
KJV


I would that ye all spake with tongues is a clear indication that it will not happen and that believers should not covet gifts they are not given.

but rather that ye prophesied is an indication that Paul considered tongues to be of lesser importance; as is verse 6.

1 Co 14:18-25
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
KJV


Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: When we, through the Spirit, speak a language that we do not understand; it is for the benefit of the unbelieving hearer who does understand.

There is more; but enough said

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Let us consider what Scripture says about tongues:

Mk 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 .They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
KJV

Note that NOTHING is said about believers following after these signs!

Nor would I intentionally pick up a snake nor intentionally drink any deadly thing - I would see that as tempting God. As previously stated - these scriptures may have been added. Let us also note - IF is before "they drink any deadly thing" and I see it also as IF they shall take up serpents as in the case when Paul accidently picked up one when gathering wood and it bit him and he recovered. There are people being healed and devils being cast out of people we just don't hear about God's miracles - it seems people would rather hear about murders, earthquakes, plane crashes, etc. - these they consider noteworthy.

Ac 2:3-4
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
KJV

Note that NOTHING is said about human encouragement or instruction.

Correct there isn't. I remember when I was much younger and I did "seek" to speak in tongues. I wasn't very mature in the word at all then and I would watch people speak in tongues, run up and down the aisles, fall out on the floor [slain in the Spirit] - I remember asking God to let me speak in tongues [but don't make me do all that other stuff, LOL] and I would open my mouth . . . nothing. Speaking is learned - as a child we learn by first making sounds - toddlers sometimes seem to just be using gibberish - but as time goes by they learn to speak. God does not possess us - we have to move our mouths, we have to utilize our vocal cords, we have to move our tongue - we have to utter . . . that we speak is our business but what we speak the Spirit gives the utterance.

Ac 2:5-11
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
KJV

At first known tongues were given to fascilitate sharing the Gospel.

Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven - men who made their way to Jerusalem for the Feast of Pentecost.
Behold are not all these which speak Galilaeans - how hear we every man in our own tongue wherein we were born? - the apostles did not know the languages listed - they spoke as the Spirit gave them utterance in a tongue [language] they did not know and they spoke by the Spirit the wonderful works of God. Doesn't say they shared the gospel.

Ac 10:44-48
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
KJV

Here we see tongues used to persuade Jewish believers that gentiles can and do receive the same Holy Spirit as Jews do.

NOTHING is said about tongues being an essential evidence of salvation.

Here we have evidence that they had received the "like gift" as the apostles did - "which have received the holy spirit as well as we?" - Acts 11:15-17 And as I began to speak, the holy spirit fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with holy spirit. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God. What let them KNOW that the Gentiles receive the same gift? Does one have to speak in tongues to be saved? NO, NO, NO . . . The manifestation is the outward manifestation of what occurred on the inside, i.e. the new birth - receiving the gift of holy spirit within - What does the word "manifestation" mean?

Ac 19:1-6
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
KJV

Here the intent seems to be to show Pagans that the indwelling Holy Spirit brings more than belief and mental activity.

They were only baptized into John's baptism and did not even know or had heard about the baptism of the holy Spirit - they were then baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and baptized with HIS baptism with the evidence of speaking in tongues and prophesy . . . the outward manifestation of what occurred on the inside.

1 Co 12:7-11
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
KJV


Here the intent is to show that tongues are NOT A UNIVERSAL GIFT in the church.

The manifestation of the Spirit is given to EVERY MAN to profit - Another is not as in another person but as to the manifestation and it is either allos - of a different kind or sort or it is heteros - another of the same sort. All these are energized by that one and the selfsame Spirit distributing to EVERY MAN [severally - idios - one's own, belonging to one's self as he - pronoun referring back to "every man" wills [will deliberately, have a purpose, be minded]
Repent and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and YE SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF HOLY SPIRIT. [Acts 2:38]

1 Co 14:5-6
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
KJV

I would that ye all spake with tongues is a clear indication that it will not happen and that believers should not covet gifts they are not given.

but rather that ye prophesied is an indication that Paul considered tongues to be of lesser importance; as is verse 6.

for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, EXCEPT [UNLESS] he interpret that the church may receive edifying. (14:12) forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual [things] seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

1 Co 14:18-25
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
KJV

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: When we, through the Spirit, speak a language that we do not understand; it is for the benefit of the unbelieving hearer who does understand.

There is more; but enough said

Tongues are a sign - NOT TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE - they already believe in the gift of holy Spirit . . BUT to them that believe not - showing them that there is a gift of holy spirit - prophesying doesn't serve them that believe not - and prophesy is in the language of those present where they can easily understand - ummmmm?

If the whole church come together and all speak with tongues and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers will they not say that you are mad . . . . that is exactly what has happened within the church today and why people have such a disgust for the things of the Spirit.

Speaking in tongues is for the benefit of the speaker - edifies himself and if done in the church with interpretation - edifies the church.
v24) But if all prophesy and there come in one that believeth not or one unlearned he is convinced of all - v22 but prophesying serves not for them that believe not but for them which believe - uh oh - need to study up on this because it sounds like a contradiction so I can't expound on this right now!!!!!!!

Hey, I love you guys dearly . . . hope you all know that and that I am just expounding on something that is near and dear to my heart. Thanks.

 

[breno785au]

Only one baptism of the Holy Spirit. For the disciples it was in the upper room when Jesus appeared to them and breathed upon them the Holy Spirit. John 20.

Pentecost was a filling of the Holy Spirit for a specific purpose in the ministry of the word of God. Peter spoke and folks heard him in their own languages. Not a complete fulfillment of Joel 2 but a fulfillment of Acts 1.

Ephesians 2 teaches us that the Holy Spirit quickens us in Christ unto eternal life. This is the one baptism of the Holy Spirit. Many fillings but only one baptism.

Actual biblical tongues in a modern church are extraordinarily rare. Conversely the false tongues are ever present.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Id like to see a scripture on false tongues, explaining false tongues and how to distinguish it from real tongues or just a scripture that says there is false tongues, that'd be great. Thanks.

 

[notuptome]

If they were alone in an upper room - how did all those Parthians, Medes, Elamites, Mesopotamians, etc. hear them speak in tongues [languages the apostles did not know but were given to them by God] and magnify God?

Did you read John 20? Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit on those present. No manifestation present just a salvation experience for those who received the Holy Spirit.

All the people were present for the Feast of Pentecost . . . the gift of holy spirit was given as a witness that the promise of the Father had been sent. AFTER being baptized in holy spirit, they began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance - those that were present heard their languages spoken. The apostles did not KNOW the languages, Peter then preached to those present in his own language.

Peter already had the Holy Spirit when he spoke at Pentecost. Peter was filled with the Holy Spirit not baptized in Acts 2 and the Greek clearly spells it out that way. The miracle was that those present heard in their own languages not that Peter or anyone else spoke in those languages.

Yes, there is one baptism - the baptism of the holy spirit wherein believers receive the gift of holy spirit [Acts 2:38] and can manifest all nine manifestations.

Just look carefully at the text and see that Peter was filled phileto not bapto in the Greek.

I believe actual biblical tongues are spoken in churches today ONLY it is done in an improper way - not by one or two or at the most by three and each one interpreting. THAT is the incorrectness, that is the abuse of the use of the gift of holy spirit - not operating as instructed by scripture.

If that cannot be demonstrated from the scripture then it is not really a fact.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Id like to see a scripture on false tongues, explaining false tongues and how to distinguish it from real tongues or just a scripture that says there is false tongues, that'd be great. Thanks.

Really? If the tongues are not biblical they are false. Tongues in the bible were nothing like what people claim today. Many Pentecostals cannot agree on what constitutes tongues. Are they human languages? Some say yes some say no. Are tongues in the mouth of the speaker or in the ears of the hearer? False tongues are not in alignment with scripture. Those possessed by demons according to those who go about exorcising them claim that the demon possessed speak in tongues but they are unintelligible tongues.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[breno785au]

Really? If the tongues are not biblical they are false. Tongues in the bible were nothing like what people claim today. Many Pentecostals cannot agree on what constitutes tongues. Are they human languages? Some say yes some say no. Are tongues in the mouth of the speaker or in the ears of the hearer? False tongues are not in alignment with scripture. Those possessed by demons according to those who go about exorcising them claim that the demon possessed speak in tongues but they are unintelligible tongues.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

If you don't know of one its okay to say "I don't know of one."

I'm looking for scripture because I'm not looking for mans opinion on the subject.

 

[slave]

I could pull out all the materials in scripture but to be honest I am too tired right now, so let me just say this...

Tongues are completely biblical!

Tongues are completely useful still today .

Tongues are a definite target of Satan. He want's Christians to mis-value it's role, and over value it's importance, thru inaccurate interpretations.

Tongues are connected to Worship....not position.


And my personal tongue is what I am now done using. However, to be completely accurate it is more the fingers than tongue.....smile.

 

[breno785au]

I could pull out all the materials in scripture but to be honest I am too tired right now, so let me just say this...

Tongues are completely biblical!

Tongues are completely useful still today .

Tongues are a definite target of Satan. He want's Christians to mis-value it's role, and over value it's importance, thru inaccurate interpretations.

Tongues are connected to Worship....not position.


And my personal tongue is what I am now done using. However, to be completely accurate it is more the fingers than tongue.....smile.

And I think satan also wants people to completely disregard it, and disarm them of it.