People think you have to keep grace on a leash

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No, sir. You are preaching a false gospel. May the Lord temporarily stop you in preaching such evil here. For OSAS clearly teachies and leads people to think they can sin and still be saved. It is pure evil. Good guys can do evil and get to Heaven? Yeah right. Not on God's watch. Yes, a person can repent of their evils and turn from their wicked ways and accept God and be right with HIm, but nowhere does the Bible teach that a person can refuse to repent of their sin and refuse to forake sin and still be right with God. Nowhere. For even you do not believe you did nothing to be saved. You had to do something to be saved unless you believe everyone is saved or something.
Another misrepresentation of the truth which makes it a lie....I for one am tired of this lie that you spread to try and discredit what the bible teaches and for the record...your salvation lite doctrine is the lie straight from hell and places emphasis upon self while rejecting Jesus and his completed work.....! The bible clearly teaches the security of the believer and your rejection of it based upon your own fabricated lie (see bolded above) and your own coined phrase which applicable to nothing more than works for salvation and reliance upon self........proves your blindness!
 

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One does not sin if they do not enjoy sin on some level. What you propose does not make sense. People sin because they enjoy the pleasure of their sin. It is why men loved the darkness over the Light in the Condemnation (See the "Condemnaton" mentioned in John 3:19-21).
Again Romans 7...

Romans 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Notice the word 'hate'? An unbeliever would not hate sin. Now notice 'that I do'. Paul as a believer, hates that sin which he does.
 
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I am up to here with the once saved always saved doctrine nonsense

If a person IS actually saved...according to how the Bible presents salvation, then YES by gum, they ARE


ALWAYS SAVED

38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[SUP]k[/SUP] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8

Now that is how God views a saved person. The are no 'sin' clauses or if, buts cans or maybes

Neither Jason nor anyone else is also included

Well, there is a very peculiar thing about Romans 8:35-39. The only things not listed on that list of things that cannot separate you from the love of Christ is yourself and or sin (Which are internal things of your own choosing). That list you quoted are external things; Not internal.

Also, you have to read Romans 8:1 that says there is no Condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who WALK after the Spirit and NOT after the flesh. Romans continues to also say, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." (Romans 8:7-8).
 
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You hold to some of those things within that list. That's my point. You hold to even just one of it's dark beliefs and it is teaching a person to think they can sin and still be saved (Whether you want them to do that or not).
See post 202. Apparently Paul falls into that list too.
 
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See post 202. Apparently Paul falls into that list too.
Uh no. There are many unbelievers and or religionists who struggle to keep the Law and or in doing what is right and they are not happy because they fail in doing so. Take for example those who are drunks and or those who struggle with being a sex addict. Besides, we know without a shadow of a doubt that this is not Paul talking as a Christian but before he was one when he was a Jew trying to wrongfully be justified by keeping the Law. We know this because in Romans 7:14 he says he is sold under sin and in Romans 8:2 he says he is free from sin. You can't have it both ways. You are either sold under sin or free from sin. It cannot be both.
 
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Not every OSAS believer is alike. Your opinion and thoughts on sin is not what everyone believes in regards to OSAS. What I am saying is that the commonly held OSAS beliefs are not consistent with God's Word. Especially on the teaching of properly dealing with sin and in promoting holiness. OSAS believers teach the following:

You can sin and still be saved. This is giving a person a license to sin whether they enjoy that sin or not. It is still wrong. Physical death is the result of sin in a believers life and not spiritual death (or the Second Death). You can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved. Which means you can sin and still be saved. A license for immorality (Jude 1:4 NIV). Future sin is forgiven you. Again, no consequences means one can do whatever they want. No believer is ever going to be perfect or without sin. No one can ever stop sinning according to OSAS. Meaning, they support a sin and still be saved doctrine.

In other words, it's a doctrine of pure evil that has no basis whatsoever in Scripture.
Jason you come in here and argue with anyone and everyone who disagrees with you, even if you are wrong most of the time.

We often see you posting comments,... even to your own comments when no one is willing to play your silly games.

Dude get a life and stop coming in here to argue. You have become like a broken record and sadly a lot of us aren't willing to give you the time of day because of that........Adios muchacho!....... REPENT!
 

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Lowering the goal post is one way to say I do not sin...

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Jason you come in here and argue with anyone and everyone who disagrees with you, even if you are wrong most of the time.

We often see you posting comments,... even to your own comments when no one is willing to play your silly games.

Dude get a life and stop coming in here to argue. You have become like a broken record and sadly a lot of us aren't willing to give you the time of day because of that........Adios muchacho!....... REPENT!
Not here to play games and I can tell you to repent, too. But will you do so? Anyways, I am here to preach the truth of God's Word. I am here to discuss the Scriptures with you. If you want to discuss them here in the Bible discussion forum, then by all means lets do so. But we are not here to insult each other. We are here to talk Bible. If you want to join in, please feel free. If not, then you are free of your own free will choice to not do so, my friend.
 
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Jason you come in here and argue with anyone and everyone who disagrees with you, even if you are wrong most of the time.

We often see you posting comments,... even to your own comments when no one is willing to play your silly games.

Dude get a life and stop coming in here to argue. You have become like a broken record and sadly a lot of us aren't willing to give you the time of day because of that........Adios muchacho!....... REPENT!
Amen to that...he has been that way from day one......he makes up lies about what someone teaches and believes based upon the security of the believer and then uses that to try and prove his false salvation lite without Jesus doctrine which relies upon self and self reliance.......
 

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Well, there is a very peculiar thing about Romans 8:35-39. The only things not listed on that list of things that cannot separate you from the love of Christ is yourself and or sin (Which are internal things of your own choosing). That list you quoted are external things; Not internal.

Also, you have to read Romans 8:1 that says there is no Condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who WALK after the Spirit and NOT after the flesh. Romans continues to also say, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." (Romans 8:7-8).
Hello? Christ saved us from ourselves.
 
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Not here to play games and I can tell you to repent, too. But will you do so? Anyways, I am here to preach the truth of God's Word. I am here to discuss the Scriptures with you. If you want to discuss them here in the Bible discussion forum, then by all means lets do so. But we are not here to insult each other. We are here to talk Bible. If you want to join in, please feel free. If not, then you are free of your own free will choice to not do so, my friend.
Yeah right.....more like peddle your (salvation lite) doctrine.....come to think of it your coined phrase is correct....it lacks JESUS and the truth......! And as far as discussing the scriptures...That is a joke...I see person after person post scriptures in context and you deny, say no and try to push your own theology........

Originally Posted by crossnote
See post 202. Apparently Paul falls into that list too.

Uh no<-----your response....which is not discussion........
 
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Lowering the goal post is one way to say I do not sin...

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There are two different types of sin the Bible talks about. Sins that lead unto death and sins that do not lead unto death. Paul makes it very clear that those who commit murder, hate, theft, lying, stealing, lusting, and getting drunk, etc. will not inherit the Kingdom of God. That is the goal post. We also cannot live for ourselves and make ourselves our own Lord's either. For no man can lay any other foundation but Jesus Christ. So the foundation (i.e. the grass and the dirt in that picture) has to be Jesus Christ. If one sins willingly against God and it is dominating their life, they aproving that their foundation is not Jesus Christ but it is their own life. But Jesus Christ said you cannot serve two masters. Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and few be there that find it. OSAS is the not the narrow gate belief. It is the wide gate belief that everyone in Christiandom holds to these days because you can get away with serving God and yourself (including their own sin).
 
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Yeah right.....more like peddle your (salvation lite) doctrine.....come to think of it your coined phrase is correct....it lacks JESUS and the truth......! And as far as discussing the scriptures...That is a joke...I see person after person post scriptures in context and you deny, say no and try to push your own theology........

Originally Posted by crossnote
See post 202. Apparently Paul falls into that list too.

Uh no<-----your response....which is not discussion........
So you are admitting that the false dark OSAS beliefs I mentioned are not in Scripture? Praise God then if that is what you are saying.
 
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There are two different types of sin the Bible talks about. Sins that lead unto death and sins that do not lead unto death. Paul makes it very clear that those who commit murder, hate, theft, lying, stealing, lusting, and getting drunk, etc. will not inherit the Kingdom of God. That is the goal post. We also cannot live for ourselves and make ourselves our own Lord's either. For no man can lay any other foundation but Jesus Christ. So the foundation (i.e. the grass and the dirt in that picture) has to be Jesus Christ. If one sins willingly against God and it is dominating their life, they aproving that their foundation is not Jesus Christ but it is their own life. But Jesus Christ said you cannot serve two masters. Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and few be there that find it. OSAS is the not the narrow gate belief. It is the wide gate belief that everyone in Christiandom holds to these days because you can get away with serving God and yourself (including their own sin).
Your nothing more than a joke....If your break one of the LEAST of the commandments you are guilty of the whole LAW...there are no sins greater and or lesser than any other sin.......sin is sin and the only reason you erroneously distinguish between the sins is two fold...

1. The truth of sin contradicts your heresy
2. It allows you to think you are so righteous and not worthy of losing the salvation that you erroneously teach you can lose......!
 

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Uh no. There are many unbelievers and or religionists who struggle to keep the Law and or in doing what is right and they are not happy because they fail in doing so. Take for example those who are drunks and or those who struggle with being a sex addict. Besides, we know without a shadow of a doubt that this is not Paul talking as a Christian but before he was one when he was a Jew trying to wrongfully be justified by keeping the Law. We know this because in Romans 7:14 he says he is sold under sin and in Romans 8:2 he says he is free from sin. You can't have it both ways. You are either sold under sin or free from sin. It cannot be both.
So in your book John is the liar as he includes himself...

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Notice the word 'we'? JOHN sins but Paul is the righteous one. Is that your theology?
 
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So you are admitting that the false dark OSAS beliefs I mentioned are not in Scripture? Praise God then if that is what you are saying.
No what I am saying is your a joke that lacks any real understanding of the truth...maybe read and open your eyes before the mists of darkness covers you for ever.....
 

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How can Christ save a believer from themselves if they persist to do evil and sin?
A changed heart. We're seated in heavenly places...apparently something your legalistic system hasn't gotten you.
 
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Jason you come in here and argue with anyone and everyone who disagrees with you, even if you are wrong most of the time.

We often see you posting comments,... even to your own comments when no one is willing to play your silly games.

Dude get a life and stop coming in here to argue. You have become like a broken record and sadly a lot of us aren't willing to give you the time of day because of that........Adios muchacho!....... REPENT!

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There are two different types of sin the Bible talks about. Sins that lead unto death and sins that do not lead unto death. Paul makes it very clear that those who commit murder, hate, theft, lying, stealing, lusting, and getting drunk, etc. will not inherit the Kingdom of God. That is the goal post. We also cannot live for ourselves and make ourselves our own Lord's either. For no man can lay any other foundation but Jesus Christ. So the foundation (i.e. the grass and the dirt in that picture) has to be Jesus Christ. If one sins willingly against God and it is dominating their life, they aproving that their foundation is not Jesus Christ but it is their own life. But Jesus Christ said you cannot serve two masters. Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and few be there that find it. OSAS is the not the narrow gate belief. It is the wide gate belief that everyone in Christiandom holds to these days because you can get away with serving God and yourself (including their own sin).
Ok, so you do the Roman Catholic thing differing sins between venial and mortal. I guess purgatory follows next.