The Seven Holy Spirits of God

[mailmandan]

You are pathetic. You can't even get this right. See what little wisdom you had has done left you.

The Lord rebuke you.

I have petitioned the Lord for your life and soul. I will take it and bless His name with it.

..............

 

[DesiredHaven]

Francis is banned lol

 

[Deliver]

Hi Deliever, I do believe we differ here though, if I understand you correctly, even though I do agree its hard to show from either standpoint.

Where might you be catching it in the manner you are catching it though?

Because I dont believe that is how I am catching it.

Starting in Zech 3:9 there is a prophesied stone (I see as Jesus Christ) and the seven eyes upon the one stone (Jesus) to be a representative of the fulness of the Godhead bodily, thus the seven horns and seven eyes shown in the picture of the Lamb that stood (as it were slain) in Rev 5:6 being shown together as the seven Spirits of God (sent out into the earth). And given of the one and same Spirit (which is shown to divide severally) in 1 Cr 12:11 I believe the same could be understood to be a picture of the fulness of the Godhead) as is shown in Col 2:9 which he had bodily which we also (the church) have received as John 1:16 speaks of the same. And if the same truly be a representive of the fulness of the Godhead he had bodily (or seven eyes on one stone) I think it makes great sense to see as the seven Spirits of God which are likewise sent into the earth after being shown the lamb that was slain in Rev 5:6 as his fulness (we have received). So, more after that manner am I understanding it, which (for me) makes more sense of all the places combined.

Whether of the stone upon whom is seven eyes, or the man (the Branch) which had a number of the spirits of God upon the same (Isaiah 11:1-2). Even the Lamb (that was slain) stood where you can see the same seven eyes (but adds) seven horns and these it says are the seven Spirits of God.

So I was banging my head against the notion that these same seven spirits are the seven stars (angels), when they are mentioned both separately and along side separately from the seven Spirits of God. So I thought I would ask if someone could show this where it meshes or does not and seek to better recconcile the pictures (if possible). Whether to show that these seven Spirits of God = seven angels of God (which are shown as seven stars) not the other. Even though I am aware of other verses (such as he maketh his angels spirits) his eyes a flaming fire ect.

There are legions of these we know. And so (in my mind) if these seven eyes upon the stone (which I see as Jesus Christ) be the seven stars/ angels, why would Jesus said, Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? Doesnt he have seven stars (rather then eyes) on him now? See how I am reasoning with it? Okay I am being a tad ridiculous there.

We know there are far more then just seven angels (even as there are innumerable stars) that he maketh his angels ministering spirits and we see the same come to him ministering to Jesus Christ in the wilderness (when the season of his temptations had ended). The same strengthened him and he returned in the power of the Spirit after. So as they (the angels) are sent out to minister to the heirs of salvation (even as ministering spirits) we see the same there even as we see the same in Elijah 1 Kings 19:7 so I catch alot of the places where the same can be justified but in other places its just not making sense.

So, I was just running into a problem recconciling the whole idea without any doubt concerning the interpretation (or I am trying to). And what is posted is less then what I am trying to recconcile into this same pattern of thinking.

Thats all.

Welp, eventually I'll get it (Lord willing ofcourse).

God bless you Deliever

Thanks for this. It will take me awhile to really look at what you are saying so I'll reply as soon as I can.
And God Bless you too!

 

[fredjames]

Ive read most of the parts and can basically have my own argument against myself or one giant scripture pitting party (with just myself alone). This has been bothering me for quite awhile. Now I see these one way (whereas an old freind of mine sees them in another). Aparently we both stand in doubt of how the other sees the thing.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt and would seek to recconcile them all to the other side, but I just cannot do that.

So I was interested more in someone to show their skill in the scriptures to recconcile them accordingly in that same thought.

If you see the Spirits mentioned with the stars (angels) together I would need to be explained how you arrive there when it appears they are not speaking of the same there (just in Revelation). Could be (im open to it) but I need some decent workmanship shown on it. In recconciling these things together, which is sorta what I look for in a decent teacher, although I know there arent too many teachers here, but sometimes you get lucky and someone can show it (and I would just regard them naturally as a teacher) because I just would, at least skilled enough to show a few things. Know what I mean?

The seven eyes upon the one stone for instance, do you see those seven eyes as the seven angels (stars) upon one stone (meaning Christ) the man who is the Branch (as well as the Lamb) as well.

Do you connect the seven eyes on him (The Stone/Branch/Lamb) more to the seven stars/angels (in his right hand) or rather to the seven eyes/horns/ Spirits of God (before the throne) in some way?

And how would you (specifically) show it using the scripture (very simply).

So as to rule one or the other out there.

Please understand them, 'as it is written in the HOLY BIBLE', only by the 'Help' of the HOLY SPIRIT, who have 'inspired' them.

And 'lean not in our own understanding', about them.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Please understand them, 'as it is written in the HOLY BIBLE', only by the 'Help' of the HOLY SPIRIT, who have 'inspired' them.

And 'lean not in our own understanding', about them.

No kidding, really?

Man, I so missed that one, thanks for the heads up.

I thought someone here might have some of that too.

I had thought Jesus told Peter to feed his sheep and I thought that to be fed by any decent shepherd indwelt by the Holy Spirit was to be fed with understanding.

I was hoping to catch someone with this Holy Spirit indwelling in someone here who might have a greater measure of understanding and feed me with His (not with mine, or his own).

I sure wasnt quoting better Biker magazine, but the scripture.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Let us see in the other part of the HOLY BIBLE, in the book of Daniel, where the 'messenger' sent for Daniel was held up by another angel placed over that 'nation'. And Michael the archangel was sent for the 'rescue'.

The same 'angels' placed over every church and they 'symbolize' as a 'lamp stand' over that church. They may perhaps 'play' a different 'role' from a 'ministering spirit'.

Let's say 'as the saying goes', for a simple understanding, 'a guardian angel' placed over the seven churches, which consist of HIS prize purchased and precious lambs and sheep'.

In other words let us consider, also 'a cherubim' placed to guard the 'Tree of Life' in the garden of Eden.......................... .

How could angels be placed on Jesus?

The 7 Spirits referred to in Isaiah 11.1-3 are attributes of the Holy Spirit that came upon Jesus and can also come upon us.

 

[fredjames]

No kidding, really?

Man, I so missed that one, thanks for the heads up.

I thought someone here might have some of that too.

I had thought Jesus told Peter to feed his sheep and I thought that to be fed by any decent shepherd indwelt by the Holy Spirit was to be fed with understanding.

I was hoping to catch someone with this Holy Spirit indwelling in someone here who might have a greater measure of understanding and feed me with His (not with mine, or his own).

I sure wasnt quoting better Biker magazine, but the scripture.

Just imagine one of JESUS disciples answered HIM like you just did in 'arrogance'. Judas was close but in fact, they never did, but only you who dare would. Please do a 'reality' check on your 'attitude' first and come like a 'child' to learn from JESUS. Even a human 'child' would not have answered like you just did.

Anyway first of all, why is this so important to you and will they build you up or may bring a multitude of believers in knowing so?

They have been explained in simple and plain Scripture knowledge and 'as it is written'. And yet want to remain in dissatisfactory like 'Martha'.

LORD JESUS CHRIST said this;

'You will know a tree by it's fruits."

And second of all, what does, 'an eye', in your 'avatar' stands for and represent?

1. The 'illuminati'?

2. Or nimrod's 'sun god'?

If you continue in the same 'carnal' babes in CHRIST manner, sadly you would be, as it is written;

"Ever learning and never come to the knowledge of the truth."

Finally, your discussion 'expectation', even you will argue and fight to get them, can come only from 'a wolf in sheep clothing'.


GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[Deliver]

Hi Deliever, I do believe we differ here though, if I understand you correctly, even though I do agree its hard to show from either standpoint.

Where might you be catching it in the manner you are catching it though?

Because I dont believe that is how I am catching it.

Starting in Zech 3:9 there is a prophesied stone (I see as Jesus Christ) and the seven eyes upon the one stone (Jesus) to be a representative of the fulness of the Godhead bodily, thus the seven horns and seven eyes shown in the picture of the Lamb that stood (as it were slain) in Rev 5:6 being shown together as the seven Spirits of God (sent out into the earth). And given of the one and same Spirit (which is shown to divide severally) in 1 Cr 12:11 I believe the same could be understood to be a picture of the fulness of the Godhead) as is shown in Col 2:9 which he had bodily which we also (the church) have received as John 1:16 speaks of the same. And if the same truly be a representive of the fulness of the Godhead he had bodily (or seven eyes on one stone) I think it makes great sense to see as the seven Spirits of God which are likewise sent into the earth after being shown the lamb that was slain in Rev 5:6 as his fulness (we have received). So, more after that manner am I understanding it, which (for me) makes more sense of all the places combined.

Whether of the stone upon whom is seven eyes, or the man (the Branch) which had a number of the spirits of God upon the same (Isaiah 11:1-2). Even the Lamb (that was slain) stood where you can see the same seven eyes (but adds) seven horns and these it says are the seven Spirits of God.

So I was banging my head against the notion that these same seven spirits are the seven stars (angels), when they are mentioned both separately and along side separately from the seven Spirits of God. So I thought I would ask if someone could show this where it meshes or does not and seek to better recconcile the pictures (if possible). Whether to show that these seven Spirits of God = seven angels of God (which are shown as seven stars) not the other. Even though I am aware of other verses (such as he maketh his angels spirits) his eyes a flaming fire ect.

There are legions of these we know. And so (in my mind) if these seven eyes upon the stone (which I see as Jesus Christ) be the seven stars/ angels, why would Jesus said, Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? Doesnt he have seven stars (rather then eyes) on him now? See how I am reasoning with it? Okay I am being a tad ridiculous there.

We know there are far more then just seven angels (even as there are innumerable stars) that he maketh his angels ministering spirits and we see the same come to him ministering to Jesus Christ in the wilderness (when the season of his temptations had ended). The same strengthened him and he returned in the power of the Spirit after. So as they (the angels) are sent out to minister to the heirs of salvation (even as ministering spirits) we see the same there even as we see the same in Elijah 1 Kings 19:7 so I catch alot of the places where the same can be justified but in other places its just not making sense.

So, I was just running into a problem recconciling the whole idea without any doubt concerning the interpretation (or I am trying to). And what is posted is less then what I am trying to recconcile into this same pattern of thinking.

Thats all.

Welp, eventually I'll get it (Lord willing ofcourse).

God bless you Deliever

Ok, sorry I took so long Desiredhaven, I have to get my head in gear before I can reply to deep topics haha

As JoshuaGeneration said, and maybe others on here, I haven't read all the earlier responses...
The seven Spirits of God are the Holy Spirit, also likened to the attributes that we can partake of (partake is probably not the best word here)... But it is also the Holy Spirit working in the ministries of the seven angels/ messengers.
I think this is what you are saying at the start of this ^

These seven angels are men of course, whereas the legions are different angels. Maybe you can elaborate on that particular point of why you're reconciling those two points.. I think they are speaking of two different things.
What is your understanding of the seven angels, as a summing it up? Do you believe the Church ages are over a period of generations or do you believe they are different churches based on location? Bth?
Or what is it about this particular subject that interests you? Do you enjoy studying Revelation?

 

[fredjames]

How could angels be placed on Jesus?

The 7 Spirits referred to in Isaiah 11.1-3 are attributes of the Holy Spirit that came upon Jesus and can also come upon us.

How about could 'lampstands' be placed on JESUS?

Also how about could the HOLY SPIRIT is a 'lampstand?

Since JESUS is the 'Light' and could HE is placed on the HOLY SPIRIT?

Everything therefore now doesn't 'add up', right?

Please 'wake up' friends who are 'witnessing', when JESUS is in Heaven 'serving' GOD at HIS right hand and HIS seven churches are here on earth, isn't it 'believable' that Holy Angels are placed on them 'to witness'?

That is why it is written in Hebrews 1;14, that;

"Are they not 'all' ministering 'spirits' .............................................................."

JESUS said to HIS disciples and written in the Gospel that, each and everyone of us have an angel placed on us 'to witness'. For example, 'if i have treated you badly, your angel will go and tell them to GOD'.

According to the second sentence of yours, those are quite similar to the 'gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT', distributed to the 'members' of the Body of CHRIST which also came upon us in order for us 'to serve and not to be served'.

GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[fredjames]

How about could 'lampstands' be placed on JESUS?

Also how about could the HOLY SPIRIT is a 'lampstand?

Since JESUS is the 'Light' and could HE is placed on the HOLY SPIRIT?

Everything therefore now doesn't 'add up', right?

Please 'wake up' friends who are 'witnessing', when JESUS is in Heaven 'serving' GOD at HIS right hand and HIS seven churches are here on earth, isn't it 'believable' that Holy Angels are placed on them 'to witness'?

That is why it is written in Hebrews 1;14, that;

"Are they not 'all' ministering 'spirits' .............................................................."

JESUS said to HIS disciples and written in the Gospel that, each and everyone of us have an angel placed on us 'to witness'. For example, 'if i have treated you badly, your angel will go and tell them to GOD'.

According to the second sentence of yours, those are quite similar to the 'gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT', distributed to the 'members' of the Body of CHRIST which also came upon us in order for us 'to serve and not to be served'.

GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

How about understanding Isaiah 11;1-3 in this 'interpretation' and as follow;

Verse 2 says, ".................... the Spirit of the LORD................ Spirit ............................Spirit ........................Spirit......................."

There is no 's' to consider there are many, as mentioned '7 Spirits'. Actually friends, GOD's Word is taking about 'one' Spirit and with many 'gifts' to be imparted on King David, in order to rule HIS nation with 'just' and 'fair towards HIS people'.

Thank you and GOD through CHRIST may bless you.

 

[mailmandan]

I noticed that the Complete Jewish Bible says ..the "sevenfold" Spirit of God (Revelation 3:1; 4:5; 5:6).

 

[Joshua_Generation]

How about understanding Isaiah 11;1-3 in this 'interpretation' and as follow;

Verse 2 says, ".................... the Spirit of the LORD................ Spirit ............................Spirit ........................Spirit......................."

There is no 's' to consider there are many, as mentioned '7 Spirits'. Actually friends, GOD's Word is taking about 'one' Spirit and with many 'gifts' to be imparted on King David, in order to rule HIS nation with 'just' and 'fair towards HIS people'.

Thank you and GOD through CHRIST may bless you.

This has nothing to do with King David and everything to do with Jesus Fred.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

How about could 'lampstands' be placed on JESUS?

Also how about could the HOLY SPIRIT is a 'lampstand?

Since JESUS is the 'Light' and could HE is placed on the HOLY SPIRIT?

Everything therefore now doesn't 'add up', right?

Please 'wake up' friends who are 'witnessing', when JESUS is in Heaven 'serving' GOD at HIS right hand and HIS seven churches are here on earth, isn't it 'believable' that Holy Angels are placed on them 'to witness'?

That is why it is written in Hebrews 1;14, that;

"Are they not 'all' ministering 'spirits' .............................................................."

JESUS said to HIS disciples and written in the Gospel that, each and everyone of us have an angel placed on us 'to witness'. For example, 'if i have treated you badly, your angel will go and tell them to GOD'.

According to the second sentence of yours, those are quite similar to the 'gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT', distributed to the 'members' of the Body of CHRIST which also came upon us in order for us 'to serve and not to be served'.

GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Fred, this is not at all what this is saying. These are not angels, they are attributes of the Holy Spirit. Check out Proverbs 8.11-ff and Proverbs 9.

You are worshiping angels, which Paul condemned in Colossians.

These are not gifts either.

Stop confusing the work and ministry of the Holy Spirit with angels.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Ok, sorry I took so long Desiredhaven, I have to get my head in gear before I can reply to deep topics haha

As JoshuaGeneration said, and maybe others on here, I haven't read all the earlier responses...
The seven Spirits of God are the Holy Spirit, also likened to the attributes that we can partake of (partake is probably not the best word here)... But it is also the Holy Spirit working in the ministries of the seven angels/ messengers.
I think this is what you are saying at the start of this ^

Hi Deliver, no problem at all. An old freind of mine (who was here before) but had his account deleted was saying at the time that he presently believed that the "seven eyes" or "seven Spirits" were the angels. Now we didnt get into why he believed that the thread did head off topic a bit, however I would be more then willing to look at this more closely, but its just not panning out for me to see it that way, but if someone else did, I would that they would feel free to show it by using the scripture to do so.

I think we are on the same page I tend to agree with Joshua_Generation on this one (and yourself) if you are seeing it similarly.

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These seven angels are men of course,

I would love for you to show me from scripture how the seven stars in Jesus hand are men so I too might say, "ofcourse"

whereas the legions are different angels.

Legions being many angels (as the stars) verses seven angels (stars) in particular.

Its logical that they would all be different from one another given the stars themselves differ in glory one from the other, but are still of the same.

Maybe you can elaborate on that particular point of why you're reconciling those two points.. I think they are speaking of two different things.

Yeah I believe the seven stars are seven angels.

I am of the belief the seven Spirits of God are not the same as the seven stars. That they are speaking of something different (as is shown in the seven horns/eyes) sent out by Christ as are shown in the pictures of the same where we see him as the Stone/ seven eyes ...the Branch/ seven spirits...the Lamb (in whom was the fulness of the Godhead bodily) and whose fulness (seven Spirits of God) we have received, which is as one and the same Spirit which divideth in a several manner to us all. As breif as I can put this.

And its really not yours to recconcile for me, I was stating how an old freind of mine saw this verses how I did, and if any believed the same (as him) and would seek to convince me of it to show their own workmanship in the scripture (without adding into it) and show me how they put it together I am all ears.

Thats all.

The scripture must be used for my consideration though. I often take posts and reduce them on my end by deleting every single thing added to the scripture and there is often not much left over whenever I do that. That was an eye opener to me when I started doing that with peoples posts (who were teaching) there was alot of their own words (and reasonings) but none of his (and reasoning from out the same).

There would be (at the least) one dangling off the end of a paragraph or something like that.

What is your understanding of the seven angels, as a summing it up?

They are the seven stars in his right hand (summed up)

That is where I am looking at and asking about (and doing so as they are contrasted to the seven Spirits of God) in the picture.

As the scriptures are laid out (accordingly) is exactly what I am agreeing with.

Im looking for a Spirit filled teacher who can show something here without twisting the scriptures all over the place, but can manage to pull off (with some skill) to show me the truth of the matter (if they know)

"Settle it" for me in otherwords. If possible.

Do you believe the Church ages are over a period of generations or do you believe they are different churches based on location? Bth?

I cant believe what I never heard of, where in scripture is this stuff?

Or are you talking about something that is not in the scripture?

Or what is it about this particular subject that interests you? Do you enjoy studying Revelation?

The difference between the seven stars/ angels and the seven Spirits per the thread topic and someone convincing me they are either the same or different, but asking for their own arguments.

I do that to see who has a little wisdon and skill in how they put together scripture according to the pattern I am looking at.

I am interested in the topic thats why I am posting here but I wasnt interested in talking to a troll about it, that sort of ruined it.

I dont wish to wrangle I just desired to see how others consider it according to the scriptures, how they reason and handle the scriptures concerning the same, and so I am really just reaching out for someone with who I feel has enough of the Holy Ghost to work it out correctly.

That bout sums it up, no arguments, lets just see what everyone has that I might examine it and be certain according to the scriptures.

I was just tossing this out there is all.

Thank you! God bless you

 

[Deliver]

Hi Deliver, no problem at all. An old freind of mine (who was here before) but had his account deleted was saying at the time that he presently believed that the "seven eyes" or "seven Spirits" were the angels. Now we didnt get into why he believed that the thread did head off topic a bit, however I would be more then willing to look at this more closely, but its just not panning out for me to see it that way, but if someone else did, I would that they would feel free to show it by using the scripture to do so.

I think we are on the same page I tend to agree with Joshua_Generation on this one (and yourself) if you are seeing it similarly.

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I would love for you to show me from scripture how the seven stars in Jesus hand are men so I too might say, "ofcourse"



Legions being many angels (as the stars) verses seven angels (stars) in particular.

Its logical that they would all be different from one another given the stars themselves differ in glory one from the other, but are still of the same.



Yeah I believe the seven stars are seven angels.

I am of the belief the seven Spirits of God are not the same as the seven stars. That they are speaking of something different (as is shown in the seven horns/eyes) sent out by Christ as are shown in the pictures of the same where we see him as the Stone/ seven eyes ...the Branch/ seven spirits...the Lamb (in whom was the fulness of the Godhead bodily) and whose fulness (seven Spirits of God) we have received, which is as one and the same Spirit which divideth in a several manner to us all. As breif as I can put this.

And its really not yours to recconcile for me, I was stating how an old freind of mine saw this verses how I did, and if any believed the same (as him) and would seek to convince me of it to show their own workmanship in the scripture (without adding into it) and show me how they put it together I am all ears.

Thats all.

The scripture must be used for my consideration though. I often take posts and reduce them on my end by deleting every single thing added to the scripture and there is often not much left over whenever I do that. That was an eye opener to me when I started doing that with peoples posts (who were teaching) there was alot of their own words (and reasonings) but none of his (and reasoning from out the same).

There would be (at the least) one dangling off the end of a paragraph or something like that.



They are the seven stars in his right hand (summed up)

That is where I am looking at and asking about (and doing so as they are contrasted to the seven Spirits of God) in the picture.

As the scriptures are laid out (accordingly) is exactly what I am agreeing with.

Im looking for a Spirit filled teacher who can show something here without twisting the scriptures all over the place, but can manage to pull off (with some skill) to show me the truth of the matter (if they know)

"Settle it" for me in otherwords. If possible.



I cant believe what I never heard of, where in scripture is this stuff?

Or are you talking about something that is not in the scripture?



The difference between the seven stars/ angels and the seven Spirits per the thread topic and someone convincing me they are either the same or different, but asking for their own arguments.

I do that to see who has a little wisdon and skill in how they put together scripture according to the pattern I am looking at.

I am interested in the topic thats why I am posting here but I wasnt interested in talking to a troll about it, that sort of ruined it.

I dont wish to wrangle I just desired to see how others consider it according to the scriptures, how they reason and handle the scriptures concerning the same, and so I am really just reaching out for someone with who I feel has enough of the Holy Ghost to work it out correctly.

That bout sums it up, no arguments, lets just see what everyone has that I might examine it and be certain according to the scriptures.

I was just tossing this out there is all.

Thank you! God bless you

Ah ok, the reason I was asking so many questions was just to get an understanding of how much Revelation you have studied, and your understanding/ belief of things.
And why I asked about the Church Ages is because in my belief they are linked to why I believe the seven angels are men.
It's quite a study to get into, and I can show you scriptures... But I agree about the debating thing, I'm not interested in that either, especially when it is about something like this and everyone has their opinions/beliefs.

In Revelation, angels are mentioned a lot, and some are men and some are heavenly beings/angels. There is commentary and discussions about that too, with the Greek meaning of the word angel... it is something you have to look at closely to determine which is which.

For example, the angel that was showing John things was a man,
Revelation 1: 1
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Is the same one that John tried to worship in
Revelation 19:10

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy

(that verse is speaking of prophets. It is not to worship the man because of his ministry, he is of the brethren, just a man who has the spirit of prophecy.)


I'm not sure if you believe this already or if you don't exactly believe that when the Bible mentions angels, some angels are men, that's why I started with that.

Then
Revelation 1:20

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

(this is the seven church ages I mentioned before. Some Christians believe it is only seven churches in Asia back in that time, and nothing else.
But if you look closely at the sayings to the churches in Revelation, and look at the church history over the years since Paul til even now, you will see It has double meaning. Namely, it is speaking of generations of Christians throughout history to the end.)

So Revelation 2:1

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

(again, that angel means messenger - but it is a man. And he is the very first messenger to the Gentiles... Which we know is Paul.
If you look at the message to the Ephesians, it is talking about the first Christians. They left their first love (vs. 4) but they hate the Nicolaitain spirit (which broken down means "to conquer the laity" and is talking about taking the power from the people and putting men over them, like The Catholic Church does, and it was starting way back there.)

On through each message to the churches, if you study closely (and you can also ask others or google) you can see the approximate years of each church age. I think it is something that a lot of Christians believe/preach on.

And each age is talking about what happened to the true believers during that time, and how they overcame.
Also, each age had an angel messenger - a man - who was a prophet and brought out a ministry which led people back to the truth when a lot of errors were popping up, and confusion was happening, and even martyrdom etc)

Altogether, there are seven messengers / angels and these are the ones we were talking about originally. They had very significant ministries/teachings of the Holy Spirit to bring to Christians.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Ah ok, the reason I was asking so many questions was just to get an understanding of how much Revelation you have studied, and your understanding/ belief of things.
And why I asked about the Church Ages is because in my belief they are linked to why I believe the seven angels are men.
It's quite a study to get into, and I can show you scriptures... But I agree about the debating thing, I'm not interested in that either, especially when it is about something like this and everyone has their opinions/beliefs.

In Revelation, angels are mentioned a lot, and some are men and some are heavenly beings/angels. There is commentary and discussions about that too, with the Greek meaning of the word angel... it is something you have to look at closely to determine which is which.

For example, the angel that was showing John things was a man,
Revelation 1: 1
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Is the same one that John tried to worship in
Revelation 19:10

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy

(that verse is speaking of prophets. It is not to worship the man because of his ministry, he is of the brethren, just a man who has the spirit of prophecy.)


I'm not sure if you believe this already or if you don't exactly believe that when the Bible mentions angels, some angels are men, that's why I started with that.

Then
Revelation 1:20

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

(this is the seven church ages I mentioned before. Some Christians believe it is only seven churches in Asia back in that time, and nothing else.
But if you look closely at the sayings to the churches in Revelation, and look at the church history over the years since Paul til even now, you will see It has double meaning. Namely, it is speaking of generations of Christians throughout history to the end.)

So Revelation 2:1

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

(again, that angel means messenger - but it is a man. And he is the very first messenger to the Gentiles... Which we know is Paul.
If you look at the message to the Ephesians, it is talking about the first Christians. They left their first love (vs. 4) but they hate the Nicolaitain spirit (which broken down means "to conquer the laity" and is talking about taking the power from the people and putting men over them, like The Catholic Church does, and it was starting way back there.)

On through each message to the churches, if you study closely (and you can also ask others or google) you can see the approximate years of each church age. I think it is something that a lot of Christians believe/preach on.

And each age is talking about what happened to the true believers during that time, and how they overcame.
Also, each age had an angel messenger - a man - who was a prophet and brought out a ministry which led people back to the truth when a lot of errors were popping up, and confusion was happening, and even martyrdom etc)

Altogether, there are seven messengers / angels and these are the ones we were talking about originally. They had very significant ministries/teachings of the Holy Spirit to bring to Christians.

Well thank you very much Deliver, I appreciate your sharing these things with me.

I think what I am going to do here is put this aside once again, and just sit on it some more. I think that might be best for me at this time.

Thank you for taking the time to post to me some of the things you believe might apply in this.

I will keep these in mind too.

God bless you Deliver

 

[fredjames]

This has nothing to do with King David and everything to do with Jesus Fred.

Thank you and GOD in CHRIST bless you, for that reminder and stir up of memory. Therefore also it has everything to do with and from the beginning of King David and from him, in 'prophecy', henceforth about the coming MESSIAH JESUS, briefly in summarized cross-reference, according to Acts 13;22,23 of GOD's Word Himself. This is what GOD says about King David who have 'anointed' the Spirit of the LORD' in verse 22, that;

"................................, I have found in David the son of Jesse 'a man after My heart',who will do 'all' My will."

And please take note of verse 23, that;

"Of this man's(King David) offspring GOD has brought to Israel a savior JESUS, as HE promised."

Also GOD's promise is said and is written that, every King of Judah will come from the 'line of David'. And henceforth JESUS is spoken of in prophecy by Prophet Isaiah also to come from the 'line of David', Moreover during King David's reign, there were peace and Israel was a nation with no 'division' because ruled by an 'anointed' by the 'Spirit of the LORD', King and not forgetting also indeed, JESUS of Nazareth is the 'excellent' final KING and HIS Kingdom will never end.

Thank you again and i will accept your clarification as well. Therefore let us then get back to the 'topic', about 'Spirit' without 's'.

 

[fredjames]

Thank you and GOD in CHRIST bless you, for that reminder and stir up of memory. Therefore also it has everything to do with and from the beginning of King David and from him, in 'prophecy', henceforth about the coming MESSIAH JESUS, briefly in summarized cross-reference, according to Acts 13;22,23 of GOD's Word Himself. This is what GOD says about King David who have 'anointed' the Spirit of the LORD' in verse 22, that;

"................................, I have found in David the son of Jesse 'a man after My heart',who will do 'all' My will."

And please take note of verse 23, that;

"Of this man's(King David) offspring GOD has brought to Israel a savior JESUS, as HE promised."

Also GOD's promise is said and is written that, every King of Judah will come from the 'line of David'. And henceforth JESUS is spoken of in prophecy by Prophet Isaiah also to come from the 'line of David', Moreover during King David's reign, there were peace and Israel was a nation with no 'division' because ruled by an 'anointed' by the 'Spirit of the LORD', King and not forgetting also indeed, JESUS of Nazareth is the 'excellent' final KING and HIS Kingdom will never end.

Thank you again and i will accept your clarification as well. Therefore let us then get back to the 'topic', about 'Spirit' without 's'.

There are the Spirit without the 's', of GOD.

And there are the Spirit and 's' within it, of GOD.

There is HE the HOLY SPIRIT, who is invisible like GOD and is GOD.

And there are the angels, who can appear and disappear and are referred in GOD's Word that;

"Aren't they all are ministering spirit-'s'..................."

i believe they go by 'ranking' and 'position' in Heaven. Remember, GOD has HIS council in Heaven and they meet 'everyday', and 'basically', they are documented in the book of 'Job'.

So please in humble and humility, let us be 'wise' and not 'too clever', and in 'faith knowledge and action', only to learn from the HOLY BIBLE, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT and as it is and according to what is written by GOD and not men.

Being 'wise' is not to 'justify' nor 'ponder' on what GOD has not 'justify' clearly, or if it is of any 'importance' for witnessing 'salvation' or 'repentance'.

Again, for the last time, who are the spirit's' who rebelled against GOD during Noah's days and were put in prison by GOD, who CHRIST went to ministered to, during the three days after HIS death and burial?

As it is written, weren't they the 'angels', who left their 'positions' in Heaven and came down to earth and 'took' the daughters of men as wives?


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[prove-all]

“The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:
and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches”

Christ is in the midst of those seven churches, till he returns
there was more then 7 in the mail route back then,

and where would those churchs be now, not all still there.
his church only those 7 , did he leave them, not grow.

a very different message given , seems they where not one accord,
even though they where close neighbors, this means a lot more.

the seven Church eras are not only history in Asia,

the seven churches are the seven eras from the time of Christ to the end.
why where they even in the book of revelation if not for future use.

things to come,7 church eras, 7 angeles and candlesticks allways burning.
He keeps a bowl for the tears of the saints over the years.


1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which [God gave] unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;

 

[fredjames]

a very different message given , seems they where not one accord,
even though they where close neighbors, this means a lot more.

Beloved friend, even though the messages to each church were different but they were all 'taught' in the same Spiritual knowledge of that 'one' Gospels and of the epistles of the Apostles and also the book of Revelation, the New Covenant of CHRIST and that we have in full written documentation today 'at hand' and supposedly even in knowledge faith action 'wiser' than them who were addressed by CHRIST, even in commendations or in corrections that day, for 'five of them' were called to 'repentance'

They were all in one accord all right, in the Spiritual knowledge imparted to them by the 'man of GOD', but they consist of and come from a different society and ethnic of people and the region they were living in and also influences by 'imposters' and 'counterfeits', even by the 'rich' or the 'influential', who were also among them.

Having in full documentation of the New Covenant written in the HOLY BIBLE and also documentation in reference to the Old, even freely available until today, therefore the Church in this present age should be 'shinning' excellently for CHRIST, 'abiding' in all of them, from the knowledge correction to 'rectification excellence' and also from knowledge commendations to more 'humble excellence in giving up everything, even their own lives for the sake of the truth poor'.

What is the 'state' of the 'churches' today, according to the New Covenant 'abiding in CHRIST's words/teachings expectation'?

Repent!

Before HE comes and remove them, 'the lampstands'.


LORD JESUS CHRIST's messages to the Seven Churches, HE is refers to all of them, example as the 'one tree' called the 'Church', but HE is addressing about the fruits that they have bear in their Spiritual knowledge faith actions, either in commendations excellent or in corrections called to repentance.

May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you all.