Genocide attributed to God in old testament.
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Pure logic actually.
When you say this: God's creation, God's justice, however He sees fit. Not difficult at all.
It's not difficult to understand.
God's creation, God's justice.
If that holds primacy then prayer indicates you are in opposition. Because you're asking that God's justice, all that happens is his justice (the principle of moral rightness). Praying then is begging an omniscient being to render you an exemption.
When you say this: God's creation, God's justice, however He sees fit. Not difficult at all.
It's not difficult to understand.
God's creation, God's justice.
If that holds primacy then prayer indicates you are in opposition. Because you're asking that God's justice, all that happens is his justice (the principle of moral rightness). Praying then is begging an omniscient being to render you an exemption.
this is a non sequitur. In many things God is flexible and wants our input. He likes us to participate. Of course His will must finally be done. That is why when we pray we are to do so in accordance with His will. He especially wants us to participate in helping each other and praying for the success of the Gospel
If that were true then people wouldn't pray asking for something that is occurring in their life by God's will to be changed by God.
If they believed God's will be done they'd not pray at all. God doesn't need our approval nor consent to do his will. They'd believe that all that transpires is God's will, as scripture says. If they were totally in accord with God's will they'd let it happen as God sees fit.
If they believed God's will be done they'd not pray at all. God doesn't need our approval nor consent to do his will. They'd believe that all that transpires is God's will, as scripture says. If they were totally in accord with God's will they'd let it happen as God sees fit.
You have obviously not studied prayer, the Bible or what God tells us to do in our lives. A sovereign and holy God does not preclude prayer. In fact, prayer is where we get to know God better. God speaks to us, and that word corresponds to what God's will is, and what is written in the Bible.
Which is more than I can say for that strange signature you have. Tell me where you find THAT in the Bible, AngelFrog?? It certainly was not a quote from Jesus, or any of the apostles.
Which is more than I can say for that strange signature you have. Tell me where you find THAT in the Bible, AngelFrog?? It certainly was not a quote from Jesus, or any of the apostles.
So you do not beleive that the Bible is Gods Word, in that God inspired and approved of the content of the Bible? Of course the texts of these genocides were written long before Christ, but it still appleis that God approved of the text. Trying to be Politically Correct and not to bring athiests into fake outrage by simply trying to wash over these things is sticking a finger up to God.
God kills nations and peoples who go against him, get over it.
God kills nations and peoples who go against him, get over it.
The Bible carries the cultural signature of the times, for example, the Israelites on those days did not hesitate to have multiple wifes and concubines, what is a concubine, is just a lover disguised, but now this practice is !adultery, fornication!
on those days they blame the woman of madian for the israelites going to participate of idolatry, y do not think they complain about fornication but the fornication was the way to take them to eat the sacrificed to idols, then they blame the women!!!! They were not taugth to say !NO!?
This will be the same as saying I raped because she dressed so provocative!!!!
What about the commandment to stone a raped woman for not screaming..... what if no one heard.!
and cutting the hands of a wife if defends his husband and touch the genitals of the offender????
on those days they blame the woman of madian for the israelites going to participate of idolatry, y do not think they complain about fornication but the fornication was the way to take them to eat the sacrificed to idols, then they blame the women!!!! They were not taugth to say !NO!?
This will be the same as saying I raped because she dressed so provocative!!!!
What about the commandment to stone a raped woman for not screaming..... what if no one heard.!
and cutting the hands of a wife if defends his husband and touch the genitals of the offender????
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And what about human sacrifice in the BIBLE:
[h=1]Judges 11:29-40New King James Version (NKJV)[/h] [h=3]Jephthah’s Vow and Victory[/h][SUP]29 [/SUP]Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed through Gilead and Manasseh, and passed through Mizpah of Gilead; and from Mizpah of Gilead he advanced toward the people of Ammon. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, “If You will indeed deliver the people of Ammon into my hands, [SUP]31 [/SUP]then it will be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the people of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering.”
[SUP]32 [/SUP]So Jephthah advanced toward the people of Ammon to fight against them, and the Lord delivered them into his hands. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And he defeated them from Aroer as far as Minnith—twenty cities—and to Abel Keramim,[SUP][a][/SUP] with a very great slaughter. Thus the people of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.
[h=3]Jephthah’s Daughter[/h][SUP]34 [/SUP]When Jephthah came to his house at Mizpah, there was his daughter, coming out to meet him with timbrels and dancing; and she was his only child. Besides her he had neither son nor daughter. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he tore his clothes, and said, “Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low! You are among those who trouble me! For I have given my word to the Lord, and I cannot go back on it.”
[SUP]36 [/SUP]So she said to him, “My father, if you have given your word to the Lord, do to me according to what has gone out of your mouth, because the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the people of Ammon.” [SUP]37 [/SUP]Then she said to her father, “Let this thing be done for me: let me alone for two months, that I may go and wander on the mountains and bewail my virginity, my friends and I.”
[SUP]38 [/SUP]So he said, “Go.” And he sent her away for two months; and she went with her friends, and bewailed her virginity on the mountains. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And it was so at the end of two months that she returned to her father, and he carried out his vow with her which he had vowed. She knew no man.
And it became a custom in Israel [SUP]40 [/SUP]that the daughters of Israel went four days each year to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.
[h=1]Judges 11:29-40New King James Version (NKJV)[/h] [h=3]Jephthah’s Vow and Victory[/h][SUP]29 [/SUP]Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed through Gilead and Manasseh, and passed through Mizpah of Gilead; and from Mizpah of Gilead he advanced toward the people of Ammon. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, “If You will indeed deliver the people of Ammon into my hands, [SUP]31 [/SUP]then it will be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the people of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering.”
[SUP]32 [/SUP]So Jephthah advanced toward the people of Ammon to fight against them, and the Lord delivered them into his hands. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And he defeated them from Aroer as far as Minnith—twenty cities—and to Abel Keramim,[SUP][a][/SUP] with a very great slaughter. Thus the people of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.
[h=3]Jephthah’s Daughter[/h][SUP]34 [/SUP]When Jephthah came to his house at Mizpah, there was his daughter, coming out to meet him with timbrels and dancing; and she was his only child. Besides her he had neither son nor daughter. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he tore his clothes, and said, “Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low! You are among those who trouble me! For I have given my word to the Lord, and I cannot go back on it.”
[SUP]36 [/SUP]So she said to him, “My father, if you have given your word to the Lord, do to me according to what has gone out of your mouth, because the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the people of Ammon.” [SUP]37 [/SUP]Then she said to her father, “Let this thing be done for me: let me alone for two months, that I may go and wander on the mountains and bewail my virginity, my friends and I.”
[SUP]38 [/SUP]So he said, “Go.” And he sent her away for two months; and she went with her friends, and bewailed her virginity on the mountains. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And it was so at the end of two months that she returned to her father, and he carried out his vow with her which he had vowed. She knew no man.
And it became a custom in Israel [SUP]40 [/SUP]that the daughters of Israel went four days each year to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.
What are you doing, second guessing GOD? PAGANISTIC Worship, including child sacrifice, is what the Medianites practiced. GOD had too much invested in HIS people for them to be swayed, tempted, captured or intermarried with people who were anything BUT moralistic. Have you ever thought that perhaps the Midianites time of reckoning or day of judgement came, via the Hebrew children? If you read on down the line in the BIBLE, you will find that even the Isrealites were not spared their day of reckoning either, for their ignoring GOD (Jehovah). Nobody gets a free ticket. The secret is: GOD knows the future, YOU don't. Those families overcome in battle with the Isrealites, if allowed to live, would murder your future grandchildren or worse. For once, think outside of your own box and try NOT to box GOD in, even though you do NOT serve HIM at this moment. My prayer for you is that you find HIM because HE is waiting.
Amen! I'm in GOD's army...if I live or if I die, it is all VIctory to me, for this world is not my home, I'm just a passing through. Why would I want those 'non-combatants' around to kill me later or my grandchildren? Even in today's world, you will find that islamic children carry bombs into American camps and blow up our soldiers, unless a sniper takes them out first. GOD's side is the victory side and it did not come easy. JESUS, HIS SON, was plotted against and murdered.
I understand your sensitivity, but you have to note this is a Israelite men, the writer said the spirit of God came upon him, then he made a vote...
That end up sacrificing by burning his own virgin child.
and at the end is a remark on how the Israelite woman remembers the poor girl.
What you know do?, you take the bible literally, o we admit is a bunch of legends pass by mouth what eventually were written, and as a result it reflects the culture of the times, and blames God for events God did not said or ordered.
If you have to choose between failing our promise and breaking an important commandment of God, what you do?
I believe in a Loving God, But the old testament shows another God, and the explanation is simple, we should not take the old testament literally. it is murkied in time and legends.
If some one will start insulting me for this, just see that the argument is quite solid.
That end up sacrificing by burning his own virgin child.
and at the end is a remark on how the Israelite woman remembers the poor girl.
What you know do?, you take the bible literally, o we admit is a bunch of legends pass by mouth what eventually were written, and as a result it reflects the culture of the times, and blames God for events God did not said or ordered.
If you have to choose between failing our promise and breaking an important commandment of God, what you do?
I believe in a Loving God, But the old testament shows another God, and the explanation is simple, we should not take the old testament literally. it is murkied in time and legends.
If some one will start insulting me for this, just see that the argument is quite solid.
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