Crossing the Red Sea

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True but I was commanded to leave LOL Trouble is I'm English. I'm not good at submitting, except to God. I really have no problem with God doing it however He wants. BUT HE CHOSE TO USE THE WIND. I simply ask how He did it using His means. Surely that is what He wants me to do? I'm not a child watching a magician.
How do you justify saying this when you are, in effect saying, in almost every post, that the Bible is lying about what happened at that time?
 
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I think I will ask the moderators to close this thread. Thanks to valiant and Dan this thread has become nothing but a circus.
i'm sorry. :(

it began so well, too.... taking the thought from a similar thread
but using it to God's glory.
 

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Consider the circumstances of this event. There are most probably in the neighborhood of 3,000,000 people and the sea is at this point about 1000' in depth. What application of physics could possibly explain the parting of the Red Sea as it is described in Exodus 14?

BTW, this is not about which site is the supposed correct place of the crossing so please do not go there.
Could cohesion have something to do with it?
 
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An East wind.. now to the Natural Mind... one would have to think that there needs to be a 'west' embankment of some type to create the the wall of Water, the West embankment, the focal point of the East wind.. BUT the Word tells us there were WALLS ON BOTH SIDES.. mmmm that natural man , that doesnt work.. but WHAT ABOUT A STRONG east wind that takes the shape of a tunnel.. or horizontal vortex.. Always see the Weather geeks trying to explain how tornadoes form.. they talk of vertical winds and horizontal winds.. could God of created a 'tunnel ' of Wind.. strong enough to plow thru the Red Sea, thus creating walls on Both sides... OH INDEED.. now this could explain the walls on both sides.. a huge tunnel of wind.. wide in expanse .. outside this tunnel no wind at all.. wide enough to accomodate all the Israelites and their animals... mmm something to ponder on.. and to think this started at the END OF MOSES'S staff... very possible.. a supernatural God doing supernatural things!
 

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Could cohesion have something to do with it?
That's a good question. I am not sure I have an answer for that. Since cohesion is the intermolecular attraction between like-molecules what could this look like? From what we know of the physics of hydrodynamics, water molecules do not naturally stand on end. Water simply does not behave in this way. Hydrodynamics shay that water by it very nature must seek its own level. Explanations have been offered to suggest that the water may have been frozen but we are given no indication of this from the language of the text. On possibility may be in Exodus 15:8, "At the blast of your nostrils the waters piled up; the floods stood up in a heap; the deeps congealed in the heart of the sea."
 
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An East wind.. now to the Natural Mind... one would have to think that there needs to be a 'west' embankment of some type to create the the wall of Water, the West embankment, the focal point of the East wind.. BUT the Word tells us there were WALLS ON BOTH SIDES.. mmmm that natural man , that doesnt work.. but WHAT ABOUT A STRONG east wind that takes the shape of a tunnel.. or horizontal vortex.. Always see the Weather geeks trying to explain how tornadoes form.. they talk of vertical winds and horizontal winds.. could God of created a 'tunnel ' of Wind.. strong enough to plow thru the Red Sea, thus creating walls on Both sides... OH INDEED.. now this could explain the walls on both sides.. a huge tunnel of wind.. wide in expanse .. outside this tunnel no wind at all.. wide enough to accomodate all the Israelites and their animals... mmm something to ponder on.. and to think this started at the END OF MOSES'S staff... very possible.. a supernatural God doing supernatural things!
If the east wind separated the water, cohesion could have kept the water in wall like form? Cohesion is water sticking to water...

That's a good question. I am not sure I have an answer for that. Since cohesion is the intermolecular attraction between like-molecules what could this look like? From what we know of the physics of hydrodynamics, water molecules do not naturally stand on end. Water simply does not behave in this way. Hydrodynamics shay that water by it very nature must seek its own level. Explanations have been offered to suggest that the water may have been frozen but we are given no indication of this from the language of the text. On possibility may be in Exodus 15:8, "At the blast of your nostrils the waters piled up; the floods stood up in a heap; the deeps congealed in the heart of the sea."
we did an experiment in highschool chemistry on water cohesion....how many water droplets could pile up on a penny without falling off, it created a big water bubble....
 
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If the east wind separated the water, cohesion could have kept the water in wall like form? Cohesion is water sticking to water...

yep from a CONCENTRATED tube of 'air' or vortex... horizontal! think of it as an ARROW of air.. piercing the Red Sea.. concentrated and localized... coming from the East.. that was 1/2 mile wide? 1 mile? who knows.. God is able to do that.. indeed!
 

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If the east wind separated the water, cohesion could have kept the water in wall like form? Cohesion is water sticking to water...


we did an experiment in highschool chemistry on water cohesion....how many water droplets could pile up on a penny without falling off, it created a big water bubble....
That's interesting. This tells us then that in the world of hydrodynamics the expectation that a sea of water could somehow stand on end is impossible.
 
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If the east wind separated the water, cohesion could have kept the water in wall like form? Cohesion is water sticking to water...


we did an experiment in highschool chemistry on water cohesion....how many water droplets could pile up on a penny without falling off, it created a big water bubble....

the Power of an East Wind, done supernaturally by God.. a tube or horizontal 'arrow-shaft- of air.. Supernaturally moved THE WATER BACK and kept by the east wind.. yet held together by Cohesion, as the East wind blew hard.. wow.. one would have to think , depending on the Depth of the Crossing.. that would of been a purdy strong wind.. there again.. trying to figure a supernatural event out Naturally.. cohesion of water.. does that happen naturally or supernaturally? one would think Naturally.. so maybe God Comined BOTH.. natural and Supernatural? if He did .. He is ABLE..
 

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LOL. I trust you realize there is a big difference between physics and the contravention of physics.
If we believe that God created the universe; then He created all the laws of physics and chemistry and biology and mathematics.

The creator of these laws should be trusted to alter or suspend them at His discretion.
 
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The sound of that Wind.. silent or LOUD according to natural physics... people say when a tornado comes.. violent 200 miles an hour at times.. it sounds like a freight train.. down on the dry seabed... wind blowing to keep the walls of water back.. very loud or SILENT.. mmmmm
 
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The sound of that Wind.. silent or LOUD according to natural physics... people say when a tornado comes.. violent 200 miles an hour at times.. it sounds like a freight train.. down on the dry seabed... wind blowing to keep the walls of water back.. very loud or SILENT.. mmmmm
a person can not stand up let alone walk in a 200 mph wind.

Unless the walls of water protected them from the wind, no one could walk. it would show how high the walls would have to be.

Would also explain what kept the egyptian army at bay until they finished crossing.
 

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If we believe that God created the universe; then He created all the laws of physics and chemistry and biology and mathematics.

The creator of these laws should be trusted to alter or suspend them at His discretion.
Yes, and what we see in Ex 14 is God overturning all the laws that regulate the physics of hydrodynamics and he does this at the molecular level. He changed the way water molecules behave toward one another long enough for Israel to transverse the distance to the other shore. When the physics of hydrodynamics were allowed to resume the result was the annihilation of the Egyptian army.
 
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a person can not stand up let alone walk in a 200 mph wind.

Unless the walls of water protected them from the wind, no one could walk. it would show how high the walls would have to be.

Would also explain what kept the egyptian army at bay until they finished crossing.
yep so ponder.. the horizontal shaft of strong wind... coming from the East.. in the center of that arrow shaft of wind... no wind at all? as the outside winds kept the walls of water at bay.. yet allowed the inner part of the shaft, no winds but calm, as the Israelites crossed over. on this and in this.. Silent and calm, Kind of reminds you of the PEACE that passes all understanding.. when trials and tribulations start, He Grants you the Peace that others dont understand.. and that section of the vortex of air that was calm, the Inner Sanctuary... the Holy of holies, where God met man before the new Convenant and where God meets Man today thru Christ, in that Inner man, indeed!
 

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How do you justify saying this when you are, in effect saying, in almost every post, that the Bible is lying about what happened at that time?
Perhaps it is your understanding which is at fault? I have agreed with everything that the Scripture says. What I seek to do is try to understand it in the light of what it said and my knowledge of the area.

Show me one Scripture I have contradicted
 
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Have to understand that within those walls of water, ye had to communicate.. talk with each other.. the same with the Egyptians.. when they went down into the Miracle of God, a loud wind separating the waters, would of cut out any chance of communicating with each other.. and the Egyptians communicated with each other, for they became terrified and told everybody to 'flee' as the LORD made their chariots get stuck in the mud.. One communicating to others would of had to have a quiet not so loud environment to get the message out... but by that time it was TOO LATE.. God had commanded Moses to let the waters come back on top of them..
 

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Perhaps it is your understanding which is at fault? I have agreed with everything that the Scripture says. What I seek to do is try to understand it in the light of what it said and my knowledge of the area.

Show me one Scripture I have contradicted
But it appears to me that everyone is missing the point that the channel must have been at least a mile wide for Israel to get over within the time that the Egyptian chariots arrived.
 
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a person can not stand up let alone walk in a 200 mph wind.

Unless the walls of water protected them from the wind, no one could walk. it would show how high the walls would have to be.

Would also explain what kept the egyptian army at bay until they finished crossing.
Wasnt it the Glory of God in the cloud that kept the Egyptians at Bay? not sure.. but I believe so, God at just the Right Time, removed that.. and allowed the Egyptians to pursue the Israelites, moving down onto the seabed.... I believe they probably entered in at the same spot the Israelites did.. God still holding back the Waters, which means Israel had yet to totally cross over.. God is showing how hard Pharaoh's heart was, his anger and rage.. his presumptuousness, to GET INVOLVED in the Miracle of God.. can you imagine yourself chasing someobdy with walls of water on both side? one would to be very angered , jealous, a heart bent on destroying those he was pursing... this was Pharaoh and his armies.. God knew their heart... He was the One hardening it thru the Judgments of God.. He knows what He is doing.. indeed!
 
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But it appears to me that everyone is missing the point that the channel must have been at least a mile wide for Israel to get over within the time that the Egyptian chariots arrived.
respectfully, may i suggest it is you who is missing the point?

this isn't about the laws of physics as we 'know' them.
this is about God doing what He does for His own, and for His Name's sake. :)