So if you are not under the Law, does that mean you are in lawelessness?

[Jason0047]

slave, don't take instruction from jason. He is not on the side you both think he is.

Nowhere, in the bible, NOWHERE, does it say that suicide is a spiritual death sentence. A sin? Certainly.
Case in point..........When I was just a lad, maybe 9 or 10, I lived in Arab Alabama. My neighbors were a young woman with a couple of kids and and the father worked with my dad at a local garage.
The woman killed herself with a shotgun. My mom found her. I remember the event, and how distraught mom was. I have talked with mother several times about it, most recently a year or two ago.
This woman shot herself sitting on the bed. The shot was to the right side of her chest. She didn't die immediately. She was able to drag herself to the bedroom door and tried to open it. Bloody handprints all over it.
I don't have to tell you what a mess a shotgun can make.
Mom had a couple of old ladies she went to church with that told her that woman went straight to hell. Hurt mom something fierce to even think so.

How long, I ask you, does it take for God to forgive? This woman, simply be her actions after the shot, we can ascertain regretted her decision. She was trying to get help. If she wanted to die in public she would have killed herself in public.
Did she beg God to save her after the shot and before she died? Maybe. Would He have forgiven her?
Only a fool would put themselves in God's position and answer that. Could He? Absolutely! Did He? I don't know, and neither do you.
Suicide is a sin, as it is taking a God given life. If it wasn't the earth wouldn't be here because all christians would commit suicide and God would destroy this orb.
To say that all who commit suicide are in hell is to put oneself in the position that only Christ holds - judgment of another humans eternal destiny.

People like jason are only here to see their name on the computer screen. Look at the number of posts he makes versus his time as a member.
He answers and quotes his own posts. He has a serious "look at me, ain't I great" complex, and he doesn't know or understand the scripture he does read.

This forum is about bible. Period.

So you are Jesus and you have the power to be able to read my thoughts and motivations as to why I post here? Well, of course what you say is not true. I do not post to uplift myself. In fact, as a Christian one of the things that is important to me is doing things in secret that only the Father knows about. So I have thought long and hard in doing many things for God while seeking to remain anonymous in many cases. I am not seeking to have my own church or to publish a book with my name on it. So your accusations are totally unfounded and way off base.

But I understand that you cannot help yourself when you verbally attack me. The Scriptures have already spoken about this long ago. But I will be praying for you and hope that God will open your eyes to what you believe and what you are doing.

As for suicide being a sin: Yes, we both agree that it is a sin. But I do not think yoiu understand what the Scripture says in relation to murder, though. Suicide is self murder. And John says no murderer has eternal life abiding in them. Do you believe what John says or do you want to just believe your own thing?

Anyways, may God's love shine upon you greatly.
And please be well.

 

[Jeff_56]

......
This forum is about bible. Period.

hardly.



but also it is written, if any man takes a life, (kills someone), his life will be required of him.

so, if yahweh meant that as it looks like he means, ...



browse the forum, about 90% of the forum is NOT biblical, and about 25% to 85%(may change day to day; yahweh knows) is actually or potentially against the bible.....

i.e. this is not a place to learn bible.

 

[gb9]

yes, a lot of it is not Biblical, because the Bible is cut and chopped and taken out of context. you see, we should read the Word to learn and grow. what many do is have a pre-disposed thought or idea, then they go through the book and pluck out verses to back up that idea. 100% mis-use of God's word. use the whole Bible or not any.

 

[just-me]

yes, a lot of it is not Biblical, because the Bible is cut and chopped and taken out of context. you see, we should read the Word to learn and grow. what many do is have a pre-disposed thought or idea, then they go through the book and pluck out verses to back up that idea. 100% mis-use of God's word. use the whole Bible or not any.

That is so true.

"A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight." Proverbs 1:11

"Divers weights are an abomination unto the Lord; and a false balance is not good." Proverbs 20:23

"Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting." Daniel 5:27

If the scale is not right it must be calibrated by God's standard.

Calibration is a comparison between measurements – one of known magnitude or correctness made or set with one device and another measurement made in as similar a way as possible with a second device. The device with the known or assigned correctness is called the standard.

 

[Grandpa]

Phil, there are many believers, ourselves included, who have had the wrong or immature understanding about many things concerning the church and the doctrine of Christ. We have grown in Christ and have been lead into the truth from our error and from sin. We have been transformed by the word, by faith and through the love of God through the Holy Spirit. We have had struggles with certain things but eventually God has brought us through and given us wisdom and understanding. God has been very patient with us and given us lots of grace just to get to where we are in him. He has never thought evil of us, extended his mercy to us and never stopped loving us.

We are children and we need to be taught continually. There is this denominational thing that has established certain doctrines in the soul that God has to root out and that takes time and lots of grace. I have failed in this area over the years and been very reactionary at times and impatient with other believers who love God. It was rooted in a certain kind of pride that developed through doctrine that I legislated instead of ministering it through grace. It effected people and they reacted and withdrew instead of drawing near to Christ. We are always to win Christ and stand for the truth we have in our heart that is established in grace. Phil, you are a testimony of God's faithfulness.

Your post reminds me of 2 Corinthians.

2 Corinthians 1:2-4
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.




2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

 

[Grandpa]

That is so true.

"A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight." Proverbs 1:11

"Divers weights are an abomination unto the Lord; and a false balance is not good." Proverbs 20:23

"Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting." Daniel 5:27

If the scale is not right it must be calibrated by God's standard.

Calibration is a comparison between measurements – one of known magnitude or correctness made or set with one device and another measurement made in as similar a way as possible with a second device. The device with the known or assigned correctness is called the standard.

Let's say you put all of your "good" works and observance of Torah on one end of the scale.

Then you put all the requirements of the law and salvation on the other.

What do you think that scale would look like?

How would you be able to comfort people whose scale looks even worse than yours...?

Does anyones scale look worse than yours?

 

[gb9]

That is so true.

"A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight." Proverbs 1:11

"Divers weights are an abomination unto the Lord; and a false balance is not good." Proverbs 20:23

"Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting." Daniel 5:27

If the scale is not right it must be calibrated by God's standard.

Calibration is a comparison between measurements – one of known magnitude or correctness made or set with one device and another measurement made in as similar a way as possible with a second device. The device with the known or assigned correctness is called the standard.

the Bible balances itself. when someone goes to heavy on grace, mercy, and forgiveness, false teaching. when someone goes to heavy on judgement and hell, equally false teaching. balance. wish all of us could learn that!!

 

[phil112]

So you are Jesus and you have the power to be able to read my thoughts and motivations as to why I post here?................................... But I do not think .......................

If you knew anything about the bible you would know we are instructed to "try the spirits"..I did and yours is all about you. For you to say only Christ, or only someone that assumes His position, can tell the difference between good and bad is not only ludicrous, it is idiotic. But I would expect nothing less from you so take consolation in the fact you didn't let me down.

And finally a few words of truth from you...................

 

[just-me]

Let's say you put all of your "good" works and observance of Torah on one end of the scale.

Then you put all the requirements of the law and salvation on the other.

What do you think that scale would look like?

How would you be able to comfort people whose scale looks even worse than yours...?

Does anyones scale look worse than yours?

"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live." Deuteronomy 8:3

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

This is balance between the Torah and Christ Spiritually. One over the other (determined by the carnal mind) doesn't balance, for the law was given by the Word of God, and Christ Jesus is the Word who created all things. Balance, my friend, balanced by the Spirit of God Almighty.

 

[Grandpa]

"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live." Deuteronomy 8:3

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

This is balance.

Oh. It is?

I thought we were calibrating our scales according to Gods Standard.

If we are calibrating them according to mens standards that is a whole different thing...

 

[just-me]

"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live." Deuteronomy 8:3

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

This is balance between the Torah and Christ Spiritually. One over the other (determined by the carnal mind) doesn't balance, for the law was given by the Word of God, and Christ Jesus is the Word who created all things. Balance, my friend, balanced by the Spirit of God Almighty.

Oh. It is?

I thought we were calibrating our scales according to Gods Standard.

If we are calibrating them according to mens standards that is a whole different thing...

"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live." Deuteronomy 8:3

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

This is balance.

It would have been nice if you would have quoted all that I said. see this post

 

[Grandpa]

It would have been nice if you would have quoted all that I said. see this post

You edit your posts. Meaning you post them. Then add to them afterward. I must have caught it before your edit.

 

[Jason0047]

If you knew anything about the bible you would know we are instructed to "try the spirits"..I did and yours is all about you. For you to say only Christ, or only someone that assumes His position, can tell the difference between good and bad is not only ludicrous, it is idiotic. But I would expect nothing less from you so take consolation in the fact you didn't let me down.

And finally a few words of truth from you...................

Where exactly did I preach about myself here?

Well, I know what I know and you are not God to know men's thoughts.

As for trying the spirits: What process did you use? Could we see it? Can we discuss it as to why you think wrongfully of me? Can we discuss it like gentlemen? Or are you just blowing hot air?

 

[just-me]

You edit your posts. Meaning you post them. Then add to them afterward. I must have caught it before your edit.

That happens to me also. I am learning to wait for the 5 minutes that gives the poster time to readjust for clarity. No problem at all.

 

[JaumeJ]

Most people who decry obedience to the law in this forum believe it translates as being bound by the law. That is being under the law is being bound to every law, stature and commandment todo them all perfectly. This we all know is impossible for mere creatures.

kBecause of Jesus Christ we no longer need fear the curse of the law, punishment and death, but this does not make the law obsolete or ill advised.

Any who are learned of Jesus Christ know obedience of the law and commandments of God is no longer to be feared. God is perfecting us in our way given by Jesus Christ, and all we need do is obey as well a we can with good conscience in the sight of God, and any time we err, we have that Advocate, that Mediator with the Fathe

I have recently come to view the law and commandments as promises, promises that one day, when we have been perfected by Jesus Christ in us, we will indeed be totally law abicing, but this perfection will not come before His day. We know how to obey the law and commandments by the teaching of Jesus Christ Who has clarified all.

One very profound commandment is when Yahweh says "You shall be perfect for I am perfect." All know that we cannot BE perfect, so this commandment is a promise that come His Day we will all be perfected, and we will be just like Jesus Christ. We will not be Jesus Christ, but we will be just like Him, and this isbeyond our imagination.

In short if we view commandments as not only instruction on quality living but as promises tht one day we will actually be made perfect in every aspect, they become a joy to think on and attempt to practice them all according to the teaching of Jesus Christ. We are children of obedience, never of disobedience. God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.

 

[Jeff_56]

totally yahweh's way, by grace and faith in yahshua FOREVER! YES ___ HE IS LORD!

as it is written "whoever will not CONFESS ME OPENLY BOLDLY AND FREELY BEFORE MEN, i will not confess him before my FATHER in HEAVEN..."

There are only two sides to choose from that I was talking about, the side of God/Christ and the side of Satan.

Maybe I just assumed we were all on the God/Christ side, maybe we should take a poll to confirm this. Start with me.
God/Christ side and and forever more.
...

don't assume anything. most in the world, in most places, online, etc, are not. (it is written that ONLY A FEW)...

 

[eyesonly]

So you are Jesus and you have the power to be able to read my thoughts and motivations as to why I post here? Well, of course what you say is not true. I do not post to uplift myself. In fact, as a Christian one of the things that is important to me is doing things in secret that only the Father knows about. So I have thought long and hard in doing many things for God while seeking to remain anonymous in many cases. I am not seeking to have my own church or to publish a book with my name on it. So your accusations are totally unfounded and way off base.

But I understand that you cannot help yourself when you verbally attack me. The Scriptures have already spoken about this long ago. But I will be praying for you and hope that God will open your eyes to what you believe and what you are doing.

As for suicide being a sin: Yes, we both agree that it is a sin. But I do not think yoiu understand what the Scripture says in relation to murder, though. Suicide is self murder. And John says no murderer has eternal life abiding in them. Do you believe what John says or do you want to just believe your own thing?

Anyways, may God's love shine upon you greatly.
And please be well.

I only ask that you quote from the bible one passage that states that suicide is self-murder please. Thank you

God bless

 

[MarcR]

I only ask that you quote from the bible one passage that states that suicide is self-murder please. Thank you

God bless

When Jason quotes scripture it is usually 15-20 verses not necessarily about the subject under discussion; and not necessarily in support of his position. Asking him to quote one Scripture is a great expectation indeed.

I certainly think suicide is God's will for anyone.

 

[Jason0047]

I only ask that you quote from the bible one passage that states that suicide is self-murder please. Thank you

God bless

Some things in life are just common sense whereby you do not need a Bible to figure it out. For what is the difference between murdering oneself versus murdering others? Well both are the taking of lives. In other words, if I said that the guy down the street murdered himself, you understand what that meant.

 

[just-me]

Some things in life are just common sense whereby you do not need a Bible to figure it out. For what is the difference between murdering oneself versus murdering others? Well both are the taking of lives. In other words, if I said that the guy down the street murdered himself, you understand what that meant.

Yup, that's true. Death of the body should always be up to God.

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28

"And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord." Job 1:21