The curse of the law

[BradC]

Many believe the law itself is “the curse” but scripture tells us Gods law is holy, just, and good in Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” So what was the curse? The curse of the law came in by 2 ways, the first is shown here in Deuteronomy 27:26 “Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.”

The first part of this curse has to do with sin as it is written in Romans 7:10-11[SUP] “[/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.” Again we see the law was ordained unto life, but the curse came when man could not keep the law because of the weakness of his flesh and sin. So who’s the bad guy here, the law, or sin? If you answered sin then you would be correct.

Now for the second part of the curse, which is swearing to the oath. It is written Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”

After Moses had read the law, all the blessings and the curses, the people then bound themselves to the oath by agreeing to keep everything that was written in the law. The word oath in Hebrew can also be defined and shown as the word curse in scripture. And swearing to an oath can also be shown as binding ones soul to a curse as in Nehemiah 10:29 “They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;”

And in Daniel 9:11 “Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.” And here is where the curse came in by swearing themselves to the oath in Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.”

And so being unable to perform the vow to God to keep the whole law, because of the weakness of the flesh and of sin, then the curses mentioned in the law were put into effect.

Which is why Jesus said Matthew 5:33-37 “Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:[SUP]34 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:[SUP]35 [/SUP]Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.[SUP]37 [/SUP]But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”

And here again also in James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”

And a word to the wise, if you ever have to go to court and are asked to forswear yourself to an oath, or any other vow or oath for that matter…don’t do it! Peace.

Explain the following passage and are we under the law or under grace?

Gal 3:10-14

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Does (v.10) explain how we are to live as believers under the new covenant having the Spirit? NO!

Does (v.11) only speak to justification, does it not also speak to those who are justified are to walk by FAITH? YES!

Does (v.12) tell us without quivocation that the law is NOT OF FAITH? YES!

Have we not been redeemed (bought back) from the curse of the law (v.13) through Christ being made a curse FOR US? YES!

Is this not for the sake of the Gentiles that the blessing of the Abraham might come on the Gentiles and that we might receive the promise of the Spirit THROUGH FAITH and not the law? YES!

Did not the glory of the ministration of the promise of the Spirit exceed the glory of the ministration of the law causing the glory of the law to vanish and be done away (2 Cor 3:5-11)? YES!

Are we to be lead by the letter of the law (that has no glory by that which excels it) or by the Spirit that reveals the words of Christ in our hearts?

2 Cor 3:5-11

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

 

[BradC]

Are we cursed if we do not continue in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them or did Christ become a curse for us and redeem us from the curse of the law? If he redeemed us from the curse of the law then we are no longer cursed if we do not continue to do them. Are we required to continue in those things in the law or have we been redeemed also from being under the law? The law came by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. The believer who puts their trust in Christ, who became a curse for us, in no longer under the law for righteousness, for justification or to live under. That does not allow the believer to transgress the law and live in sin that grace might abound.

What it does mean is that we have a liberty to not live under the dictates and demands of the law but rather be lead of the Spirit and be quickened in the inner man. This inner man or the new man we have through the new birth in Christ is not bound to the law but rather to the Spirit that will lead them according to the words of Christ and that which proceeds from the mouth of God. The strength of sin is in the law and that is where we get cursed. Instead we are to walk in redemption by faith according to the word and Spirit that we might be strengthened by God's grace and reveal God's righteousness we have in Christ. God is after having grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life, which abiding under the law or conforming to the law could never do.

 

[just-me]

Are we cursed if we do not continue in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them or did Christ become a curse for us and redeem us from the curse of the law? If he redeemed us from the curse of the law then we are no longer cursed if we do not continue to do them. Are we required to continue in those things in the law or have we been redeemed also from being under the law? The law came by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. The believer who puts their trust in Christ, who became a curse for us, in no longer under the law for righteousness, for justification or to live under. That does not allow the believer to transgress the law and live in sin that grace might abound.

What it does mean is that we have a liberty to not live under the dictates and demands of the law but rather be lead of the Spirit and be quickened in the inner man. This inner man or the new man we have through the new birth in Christ is not bound to the law but rather to the Spirit that will lead them according to the words of Christ and that which proceeds from the mouth of God. The strength of sin is in the law and that is where we get cursed. Instead we are to walk in redemption by faith according to the word and Spirit that we might be strengthened by God's grace and reveal God's righteousness we have in Christ. God is after having grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life, which abiding under the law or conforming to the law could never do.

Scripture answers your question. Since the human race has 2 choices after all is done, so do believers have 2 choices after being born again. The fleshly battle within ourselves doesn't disappear until we are dead. Romans 7
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Romans 2:9-10

So Romans 8:1 is a very good verse to show us how to stay away from condemnation, and what it takes to be blessed. Did the curses vanish with the law in your opinion?

"But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed." John 7:49

2 Peter2:12-14
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Matthew 7:2-23
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[just-me]

"The curse of the Lord is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just." Proverbs 3:33

A good Father will not punish until his instructions are totally comprehended. God will not promise curses or blessings until His children are enlightened or refuse enlightenment due to false doctrine. Therefore, the law doesn't curse anyone until we neglect the instructions within the law.

We instigate the curse of the law by breaking it, and living as if it doesn't exist because of the New Covenant. God has never, and will never, issued from the outset of events, things that will harm us. Only Satan does that by enticing us to turn our backs on God's instructions. Then the cursing begins after the fact of turning our backs on God's instructions by making it void using God's grace and the gift of faith as an excuse through Jesus Christ. Redundancy is necessary for many can't get this simple concept because of false doctrine.

"But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication." Revelation 2:14

The Sinai Covenant (the Sinaitic Covenant, as you put it) was commemorated by sacrificial blood in Exodus 24:7-8 after chapters 20 thru 23. In Deuteronomy 11:26-28 is the first mention of blessings and cursings together, and the previous chapters in Deuteronomy (chapters 9 and 10) quotes Moses of him telling the story of what happened with the 1st and 2nd set of stone tablets.

The breakdown of blessings and cursings are in Deuteronomy 27:15-26 and Deuteronomy 28:1-13 just before Israel crossed the Jordan. That was 40 years after the Sinai Covenant as I read the chronology of Israel during their trek through the wilderness.

Joshua 8:34-35
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them.

 

[DesiredHaven]

"Explain... explain... explain... these OTHER verses LOL!

AS IF what was posted is contrary to Pauls' other words

The scriptures confirm Pauls word, they are his own references

This thread has become the biggest eye opener for me, thanks for all who participated

 

[Elin]

Are we cursed if we do not continue in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them or did Christ become a curse for us and redeem us from the curse of the law?

Scripture answers your question. Since the human race has 2 choices after all is done, so do
believers have 2 choices after being born again. The fleshly battle within ourselves doesn't disappear until we are dead. Romans 7
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Romans 2:9-10

Context of Ro 2:9-10:

Paul is showing the unrighteousness of all mankind in Ro 1-3,
where in chp 2 he shows the three prinicples of God's judgment:
according to truth (2:2), for those who hold the truth in unrighteousness,
according to deeds (2:6-11), for those who possess the Mosaic law, and
according to the light one has (2:12-15), for Gentiles who do not possess the Mosaic law.

In Ro 2:9-10, Paul is presenting the principle of judgment according to deeds for those under the law--if
anyone lives a perfect life, he will receive eternal life.
No one can do this.

Paul is not referring to those free from the law under grace in the new covenant.

So Romans 8:1 is a very good verse to show us how to stay away from condemnation,

Ro 8:1 presents the only way to avoid condemnation--faith in Jesus Christ.

There is no curse ever for the born again in Jesus Christ.

and what it takes to be blessed. Did the curses vanish with the law in your opinion?

The Sinaitic Covenant has been made obsolete (Heb 8:13),
the law on which it was based having been set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
so there is no longer any curse of the Sinaitic Covenant nor of the law.

Since Christ became a curse for us, condemnation is for one thing only--unbelief in Jesus Christ
as the One God sent to redeem us from the curse.
There is no condemnation ever for the born again, in Christ Jesus by faith in him (Ro 8:1).

"But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed." John 7:49

This was the Pharisees speaking, not Jesus.

They were referring to the crowd of pilgrims who had come up to Jerusalem for the Feast
(different from "the Jews" who were trying to murder him, v.1)
and the Jerusalem mob that knew of the plot (v.25).

The context is: . . .the temple guards went back to the chief priests and the Pharisees, who asked them,
"Why didn't you bring him in?" to which they replied, "No one ever spoke the way this man does," and to
which the Pharisees retorted, "Has any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed in him? No! But this mob that knows nothing of the law--there is a curse on them."

This is not a Biblical principle being stated here.

2 Peter2:12-14
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

This does not refer to the born again.

Peter is speaking of false teachers who secretly introduce destructive heresies bringing swift destruction on themselves, who were not children of God (born again by grace) and would suffer the condemnation of unbelief in the sovereign Lord who bought the born again.

Matthew 7:2-23
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but
he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus is dividing between the goats of counterfeit (false) faith (1Jn 2:19) and the sheep of true faith,
which true faith results in the obedience of the gift of faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3).

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Goats again, who are not born again and do not believe.

There is never condemnation for those who are born again (Ro 8:1).

The born again are not cursed if they do not continue in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them, because Christ become a curse for them and redeemed them from the curse of the law.

There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus (Ro 8:1).



There is never condemnation for those who are born again (Ro 8:1).

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Scripture answers your question. Since the human race has 2 choices after all is done, so do believers have 2 choices after being born again. The fleshly battle within ourselves doesn't disappear until we are dead. Romans 7
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Romans 2:9-10

So Romans 8:1 is a very good verse to show us how to stay away from condemnation, and what it takes to be blessed. Did the curses vanish with the law in your opinion?

"But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed." John 7:49

2 Peter2:12-14
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Matthew 7:2-23
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

That's right, all those who swear falsely by the Lords name per Zechariah are cursed by the curse....

Zechariah 5:3-4[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.



Just as Peter showed....

2 Peter 2:9-22
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Those who swear falsely by the Lords name are HYPOCRITES and they are living in sin, unable to cease from sin, (cursed children) who are "living to the flesh"

Romans 8:1-138 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Just as Peter showed....

2 Peter 2:9-12
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

 

[Elin]

"Explain... explain... explain... these OTHER verses LOL!

AS IF what was posted is contrary to Pauls' other words

The scriptures confirm Pauls word, they are his own references

OK, just for you, Sis. . .

It's not about the linkage of passages in Scripture treating of oaths and curses,
it's about what is their meaning and application. . .which is totally contra-NT here.

Here is InSpiritInTruth's post, I separated his points ...

Many believe the law itself is “the curse”

but scripture tells us Gods law is holy, just, and good in

Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.”

So what was the curse?

The curse of the law came in by 2 ways, the first is shown here in

Deuteronomy 27:26“Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.

And all the people shall say, Amen.”

The first part of this curse has to do with sin

as it is written in

Romans 7:10-11[SUP]“ [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.”

Again we see the law was ordained unto life,

but the curse came when man could not keep the law because of the weakness of his flesh and sin.

So who’s the bad guy here, the law, or sin?

If you answered sin then you would be correct.

No. . .if you answered man's fallen nature, you would be correct.
Sin is a function of fallen creatures, it does not exist in itself, apart from persons.

Now for the second part of the curse, which is swearing to the oath.

There are not two parts to the curse.
The curse is one thing--punishment for disobedience/violation of the covenant, which was the law.

It is written

Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written,

Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”

After Moses had read the law, all the blessings and the curses, the people then bound themselves to the oath by agreeing to keep everything that was written in the law.

The word oath in Hebrew can also be defined and shown as the word curse in scripture.

Not quite. . .

And swearing to an oath can also be shown as binding ones soul to a curse as in

Nehemiah 10:29 “They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;”

Playing loose with the Hebrew here. . .

The above "curse" in the Hebrew is alah, and the above "oath" is shebuah.
They are not the same thing, an oath here is not a curse, in itself.

It's "the curse of the oath;" i.e, the curse (alah) one calls down on oneself if, and only if, one violates one's own oath (shebuah).
It's called a self-maledictory oath. . .pure and undefiled justice.

A self-maledictory oath is not an excrative oath (alah), which is a curse (alah).
Israel did not make an excrative oath (alah) at Sinai, they made a self-maledictory oath (shebuah).

God himself made similar self-maledictory oaths by the blood of animals (Ge 15:7-21; Ex 24:8),
and Abraham by circumcision (blood) made such an oath to consecrate himself, his offspring and all he possessed to the service of the LORD (Ge 17:10-11).

And in Daniel 9:11: "Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse (alah) is poured upon us, and the oath (shebuah) that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.And here is where the curse (alah) came in by swearing themselves to the oath (shebuah) in

Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow (nadar) unto the Lord, or swear (shaba) an oath (shebuah) to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.”

There is no basis in Neh, Da or Nu above for saying that an "oath" (shebuah) is a "curse" (alah) and, therefore, one should not make an oath.

And so being unable to perform the vow (nadar) to God to keep the whole law, because of the weakness of the flesh and of sin, then the curses (alah) mentioned in the law were put into effect.

Are you forgetting that God told Moses he was to set before the people these laws (Ex 21:1),
and Moses went and told the people all the LORD's words and laws (Ex 24:3).

Are you saying that the people should have refused the laws God set before them
and not accepted them (Ex 24:3) because their oath (shebuah) was a curse (alah)?

Well, you have come to the wrong conclusion because their oath was not a curse.

Which is why Jesus said

Matthew 5:33-37 “Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: [SUP]34 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:[SUP]35[/SUP]Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.[SUP]37 [/SUP]But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”

And here again also in

James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”

It is not why Jesus and James said the above, it has nothing to do with Jesus and James saying the above, for an oath is not a curse, unless one swears to a curse if one violates his own oath. . .and that is pure and undefiled justice.

Jesus and James are referring here to swearing apart from solemn oaths, swearing in a frivolous manner.

(and lastly a couple of lines of his own advice)

And a word to the wise, if you ever have to go to court and are asked to forswear yourself to an oath, or any other vow or oath for that matter…don’t do it! Peace.

Don't do what Abraham and God did?

Playing fast and loose with Hebrew is the basis of this presentation of an oath (shubuah) as a curse (alah),
and of its misapplication to proscribe swearing to solemn oaths, as Abraham, Israel and even God did.

 

[Elin]

P.S.:

Israel's oath (shebuah) was not a curse (alah), Israel's disobedience was a curse.

It's about not being disobedient, faithless, it's not about not taking oaths.

 

[just-me]

Those who swear falsely by the Lords name are HYPOCRITES and they are living in sin, unable to cease from sin, (cursed children) who are "living to the flesh"

Romans 8:1-138 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Just as Peter showed....

2 Peter 2:9-12
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Good scripture to explain the fleshly carnal mindset.
Those that cannot see beyond the physical attributes of the law, view it only with the carnal fleshly mind. It is impossible for them to be subject to the law because of this blinding wall. It truly is a curse. Romans 8:7

 

[DesiredHaven]

Elin, I honestly dont even want to be bothered with your posts anymore

This thread was so revealing to me given your hot prusuit over nothing but hot air, the scriptures confirm.

Its InSpiritInTruth's OP not mine

He posted beautifully on it,

and I agree with what he confirms.

You might not, but thats your problem not mine.

 

[Elin]

Good scripture to explain the fleshly carnal mindset.
Those that cannot see beyond the physical attributes of the law, view it only with the carnal fleshly mind. It is impossible for them to be subject to the law because of this blinding wall. It truly is a curse. Romans 8:7

It's about spiritual powerlessness (Ro 8:7-8), rather than blindness.

 

[Elin]

Elin, I honestly dont even want to be bothered with your posts anymore

This thread was so revealing to me given your hot prusuit over nothing but hot air, the scriptures confirm.

Its InSpiritInTruth's OP not mine

He posted beautifully on it,

and I agree with what he confirms.

You might not, but thats your problem not mine.

I understand. . .

That Israel should have refused the law at Sinai is more than just hot air to me.

 

[DesiredHaven]

I understand as well,

You should be out of matches soon

 

[Elin]

I understand as well,

You should be out of matches soon

Sorry you feel that way. . .but really, straw men should be burned up.

It's what Peter was doing to the false teachers in 2Pe 2:9-12.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I understand. . .

That Israel should have refused the law at Sinai is more than just hot air to me.

Then stop promoting it, and blowing the same ole hot air.

 

[Elin]

Then stop promoting it, and blowing the same ole hot air.

I will if you will. . .

 

[DesiredHaven]

Many believe the law itself is “the curse”

Who cares what others believe what does the scripture say?

Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.”

Thank you! I agree with the scripture as well.

So what was the curse?

Got scripture?

Deuteronomy 27:26 “Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.
And all the people shall say, Amen.”
The first part of this curse has to do with sin

Thank you!
Got more scripture?

as it is written in Romans 7:10-11 And the commanment which was ordained to life I found to be unto death. Forsin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Thank you!
And so what are you seeing here?

Again we see the law was ordained unto life, but the curse came when man could not keep the law because of the weakness of his flesh and sin.

We sure can see what Paul was saying.
Very confiming scriptures.
And although the law is perfect (Psalm 19:7)
The law could not make anything perfect (Heb 7:19)
As the bringing in of the better hope did, even through God sending his Son to condemn sin in the flesh.
How great is our God? He is pretty awesome!

So who’s the bad guy here, the law, or sin?

The scripture you already posted works just fine...
Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.”
So...?

If you answered sin then you would be correct.

Yes, Gods law is holy and is not sin, the knowledge of sin is by the law (Romans 3:20)

Now for the second part of the curse, which is swearing to the oath.

Doesnt Paul himself mention this curse according to the scriptures he himself uses to show it? What does Paul say?

Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written,
Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”

So Paul is quoting Duet 27:26 in Galations 3:10 How does this oath/curse/law thing fit work in Duet there?

After Moses had read the law, all the blessings and the curses, the people then bound themselves to the oath by agreeing to keep everything that was written in the law

So the oath itself or curse (unto which) they agreed to is written into the law in respects to keeping all things written there in?

The word oath in Hebrew can also be defined and shown as the word curse in scripture.

This is true, here are the words as numbered (so we can check this out for ourselves)
Neh 10:29 They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, [SUP]H423 [/SUP]and into an oath, [SUP]H7621[/SUP] to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORDour Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

And swearing to an oath can also be shown as binding ones soul to a curse

Yes, you can catch these connection even in these two pictures.
Paul uses this reference (in Gal 3:10)

Deuteronomy 27:26 "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.

And all the people shall say, Amen.”

Whereas here it shows this...

Neh 10:29 They clave to their brethren, their nobles entered into a curse, and into an oath,to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

So they must confirm all the words because it says

Deuteronomy 27:26 "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.

And all the people shall say, Amen.” to the, "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all

Which is also what you are showing in relation to the law which Paul himself quotes (in Galations) and curse and oath as it can be seen in Neh 10:29

Its so great to just agree in the scripture

Thank you InSpiritInTruth

 

[Elin]

Who cares what others believe what does the scripture say?

Thank you! I agree with the scripture as well.

Got scripture?

Thank you!
Got more scripture?

Thank you!
And so what are you seeing here?

We sure can see what Paul was saying.
Very confiming scriptures.
And although the law is perfect (Psalm 19:7)
The law could not make anything perfect (Heb 7:19)
As the bringing in of the better hope did, even through God sending his Son to condemn sin in the flesh.
How great is our God? He is pretty awesome!

The scripture you already posted works just fine...
Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.”
So...?
Yes, Gods law is holy and is not sin, the knowledge of sin is by the law (Romans 3:20)

Doesnt Paul himself mention this curse according to the scriptures he himself uses to show it? What does Paul say?

So Paul is quoting Duet 27:26 in Galations 3:10 How does this oath/curse/law thing fit work in Duet there?

So the oath itself or curse (unto which) they agreed to is written into the law in respects to keeping all things written there in?

This is true, here are the words as numbered (so we can check this out for ourselves)
Neh 10:29 They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, [SUP]H423 [/SUP]and into an oath, [SUP]H7621[/SUP] to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORDour Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

Yes, you can catch these connection even in these two pictures.
Paul uses this reference (in Gal 3:10)

Deuteronomy 27:26 "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.

And all the people shall say, Amen.”

Whereas here it shows this...

Neh 10:29 They clave to their brethren, their nobles entered into a curse, and into an oath,to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

So they must confirm all the words because it says

Deuteronomy 27:26 "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them .

And all the people shall say, Amen.” to the, "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all

"Confirm" being to uphold the law by obedience to it.

Thanks for your explanation.