If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus 2:11
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Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
God has provided the Roundup and its container, Jesus spoke about that. People dont know the REality of Gehenna Fire.. human comprehension cannot explain the torment, the pain, the Eternalness of that place where God will NOT BE .. WOW... THAT has to be revealed to you by the Paraclete, and He will.. it will leave you speechless, and a love for God and a Love for those who are heading there.. for a loving God would not speak of His grace without speaking out about the penalty of sin and rebellion, that is Gehenna Fire, eternal torment.
God has provided the Roundup and its container, Jesus spoke about that. People dont know the REality of Gehenna Fire.. human comprehension cannot explain the torment, the pain, the Eternalness of that place where God will NOT BE .. WOW... THAT has to be revealed to you by the Paraclete, and He will.. it will leave you speechless, and a love for God and a Love for those who are heading there.. for a loving God would not speak of His grace without speaking out about the penalty of sin and rebellion, that is Gehenna Fire, eternal torment.
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Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
The grace of God is given for the obedience of the faith
Part of the answer could be in the verse that was sort of chopped up and put up
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation
hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that,
denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
So we can be assured,
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you:
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
However, our obedience is fulfuilled and he says,
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart
that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
The doctrine of Christ is according to godliness,
which is why grace teaches to deny that which pertains to worldly and ungodly lusts
Not obeying sin in the lusts thereof.
The grace of God is given for the obedience of the faith
Part of the answer could be in the verse that was sort of chopped up and put up
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation
hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that,
denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
So we can be assured,
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you:
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
However, our obedience is fulfuilled and he says,
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart
that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
The doctrine of Christ is according to godliness,
which is why grace teaches to deny that which pertains to worldly and ungodly lusts
Not obeying sin in the lusts thereof.
Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
no worries in your motives or anything.... just footnotelike that weedkillers are also KILLING PEOPLE SLOWLY, posining their livers and kidneys and blood and brain and food and babies...... and pets, and animals, and birds, and bees, and butterflies, and earthworms, and ants, and so on and on on on .....
and they are taken 'lightly' , used millions of times EXCESSIVELY, all the while destroying our environment and our health in more ways than is legal to publish......
so those who pray "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..." (no pollution, for one)
can stop using the posins, finding out the truth, and do what they can do themselves concerning this.... at their own homes and farms and relatives and neighbors ...
and others, sick from(physically sick, without being told the cause usually) exposure
can
pray
and seek and find the God created helps for their body/immune system/ health...
no worries in your motives or anything.... just footnotelike that weedkillers are also KILLING PEOPLE SLOWLY, posining their livers and kidneys and blood and brain and food and babies...... and pets, and animals, and birds, and bees, and butterflies, and earthworms, and ants, and so on and on on on .....
and they are taken 'lightly' , used millions of times EXCESSIVELY, all the while destroying our environment and our health in more ways than is legal to publish......
so those who pray "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..." (no pollution, for one)
can stop using the posins, finding out the truth, and do what they can do themselves concerning this.... at their own homes and farms and relatives and neighbors ...
and others, sick from(physically sick, without being told the cause usually) exposure
can
pray
and seek and find the God created helps for their body/immune system/ health...
Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
aweeeeeeeeee, now Im getting a clearer picture of your 'push in the Word.............. indeed...
you will fit right in on building that man made Eden, man will attempt to Create at God's disposing.. indeed!
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Weeds Abound... yes.. The Harvest is SEt, weeds bundled and to the fire... Good Seed to the Hoppa!!
aweeeeeeeeee, now Im getting a clearer picture of your 'push in the Word.............. indeed...
you will fit right in on building that man made Eden, man will attempt to Create at God's disposing.. indeed!
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Weeds Abound... yes.. The Harvest is SEt, weeds bundled and to the fire... Good Seed to the Hoppa!!
Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
Great question. In keeping with the promise in 1 Timothy 4:10 In fact this is why we work hard and struggle, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.
Great question. In keeping with the promise in 1 Timothy 4:10 In fact this is why we work hard and struggle, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.
Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
Obedient works themselves do not save. God saves but saves those that do obedient works, so in that sense works do save. As James says 'by works a man is justified'. God is the Justifier (Rom 3:26) but God justifies those that do obedient works therefore in that sense James can say by WORKS a man is justified.
I am still waiting for someone explain to me (from post #33) how will I ever get that free combo meal while doing no works at all? No work in going to the restaurant? No work in placing the order? (I am getting hungry.)
Obedient works themselves do not save. God saves but saves those that do obedient works, so in that sense works do save. As James says 'by works a man is justified'. God is the Justifier (Rom 3:26) but God justifies those that do obedient works therefore in that sense James can say by WORKS a man is justified.
I am still waiting for someone explain to me (from post #33) how will I ever get that free combo meal while doing no works at all? No work in going to the restaurant? No work in placing the order? (I am getting hungry.)
Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
Can I take your order?
Yes. I'd like a supersize helping of Eternal Life, with Holy Spirit and all the gifts.
I've been really obedient and have done many great works. That should be payment enough for you...
Ummmmm. No. That wasn't my experience in the slightest. Nor do I find it biblical, at all. But its kind of funny, if you were just playing a joke on me...
Can I take your order?
Yes. I'd like a supersize helping of Eternal Life, with Holy Spirit and all the gifts.
I've been really obedient and have done many great works. That should be payment enough for you...
Ummmmm. No. That wasn't my experience in the slightest. Nor do I find it biblical, at all. But its kind of funny, if you were just playing a joke on me...
Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
How can the burger joint take my order if I do not do the works in going to the burger joint and placing the order?
If I do the works in going to the burger joint and placing the order, does that mean I earned the free meal?
How can the burger joint take my order if I do not do the works in going to the burger joint and placing the order?
If I do the works in going to the burger joint and placing the order, does that mean I earned the free meal?
Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
At McDonald's you can now 'do the works' but it will cost you extra. This will not be a free meal, however there is a Happy Meal option and then there is always the dollar menu. Personally, I prefer Burger King but that's just me.
At McDonald's you can now 'do the works' but it will cost you extra. This will not be a free meal, however there is a Happy Meal option and then there is always the dollar menu. Personally, I prefer Burger King but that's just me.
Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
The issue is if someone gave me, out of their good grace, a coupon for a free Big Mac then how do I get that free Big Mac WITHOUT dong the works in going there and placing the order?
If I do the works in going to McDonald's and placing the order for a Big Mac did I then earn that free Big Mac?
The issue is if someone gave me, out of their good grace, a coupon for a free Big Mac then how do I get that free Big Mac WITHOUT dong the works in going there and placing the order?
If I do the works in going to McDonald's and placing the order for a Big Mac did I then earn that free Big Mac?
Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
It seems to me that while the Big Mac is indeed free, there is a certain amount of work involved in order to receive it. This work is not burdensome. Without the free offer no work would be possible or necessary as there would be nothing to redeem.
Works are a manifestation of salvation but not a cause of it but only the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins. The gift of salvation is free but it is ultimately up to the individual to claim this great prize.
It seems to me that while the Big Mac is indeed free, there is a certain amount of work involved in order to receive it. This work is not burdensome. Without the free offer no work would be possible or necessary as there would be nothing to redeem.
Works are a manifestation of salvation but not a cause of it but only the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins. The gift of salvation is free but it is ultimately up to the individual to claim this great prize.
Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
Yes, free gifts (as the hamburger) can come with conditions such as going to the restaurant and placing the order. And meeting the conditions does not earn the free gift (hamburger).
1 Jn 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."
No free gift then works would not matter for if there is no free gift then it does not matter what you do or do not do.
You were doing well.....until here.
You imply one gets the free gift of salvation BEFORE he does the works...works show/manifest one ALREADY has salvation.
How does one get the free gift (hamburger) BEFORE he does the work of going to the restaurant and placing the order?
Yes, free gifts (as the hamburger) can come with conditions such as going to the restaurant and placing the order. And meeting the conditions does not earn the free gift (hamburger).
1 Jn 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."
No free gift then works would not matter for if there is no free gift then it does not matter what you do or do not do.
You were doing well.....until here.
You imply one gets the free gift of salvation BEFORE he does the works...works show/manifest one ALREADY has salvation.
How does one get the free gift (hamburger) BEFORE he does the work of going to the restaurant and placing the order?
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Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus
Well the simple fact that salvation is not earned by man and that all are sinners and none deserving of this wonderful GIFT points to the fact that it is baced upon the unending grace and mercy of God which endures forever...regardless of those who think they deserve it and or can earn it.......!
Well the simple fact that salvation is not earned by man and that all are sinners and none deserving of this wonderful GIFT points to the fact that it is baced upon the unending grace and mercy of God which endures forever...regardless of those who think they deserve it and or can earn it.......!