Sunday - the first day of the week

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 7, 2013

To recap, here are some of the things that have happened on the 1st day of the week:

creation of light on the 1st day of creation of heaven and earth
festival of firstfruits
Christ, the firstfruits out of the dead, resurrected on the festival of firstfruits
the resurrected Christ appeared to his disciples several times
festival of pentecost (wave offering of two leavened loaves made from firstfruits of wheat harvest)
creation of the new man, the new nation of Israel, the light of the world on festival of pentecost

Have I missed anything?

Bluecomet · Jul 7, 2013

Yes. God created light and He divided it into two parts. What are the two parts?

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 7, 2013

Bluecomet said:

Didn't darkness already exist, and he just made a separation between light and darkness?

zone · Jul 7, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

To recap, here are some of the things that have happened on the 1st day of the week:

creation of light on the 1st day of creation of heaven and earth
festival of firstfruits
Christ, the firstfruits out of the dead, resurrected on the festival of firstfruits
the resurrected Christ appeared to his disciples several times
festival of pentecost (wave offering of two leavened loaves made from firstfruits of wheat harvest)
creation of the new man, the new nation of Israel, the light of the world on festival of pentecost

Have I missed anything?

AMAZING!
Amen.

Sola Dei Gloria

iamsoandso · Jul 7, 2013

zone said:

not at all,,amen now we can move on to the rest of his message,,,,,,,"Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,,,Thursday,Friday,,,not that it offends us at all for some to look so close at these details",,,,,,but in Christ blood,,,,every day he is present with me and is "the lords day given to me",,,,,,,when i am billions of years old i will both look back and give thanks to him for those,and the others' that given forth before me.,,,,,,,,shall i labor to squeeze another day,or rest in this one from my efforts of saving mine own self by my works????????

loveme1 · Jul 8, 2013

zone said:

i must say but not to in boast that i am fully convinced in my own mind but see many starting threads and debating the matter.

For those not yet convinced i offer my beliefs.

GOD be our witness on the matter.

Shiloah · Jul 8, 2013

Abiding said:

This whole thread is filled with gang members. This right here represents its style. You don't correct the one that got everyone upset. I'm not upset now. I was this morning, though tonight I realize how silly this all is. This is just an internet site. Nothing more. But some of the people on here are awful examples of Christians. Again, I find it interesting you attack the ones who become upset because they were continually insulted and repeatedly attacked for their beliefs, simply because their beliefs are different on some levels then these others in here. Yes, the attacks begin subtly. They're not full bore. They start with snide and repeated comments and innuendos, and when you don't give in they steadily get more and more insulting. Zone here ends up calling names and even telling the person they're damned, basically. lol.

Yes, you saw me on a rant. I'm definitely not fully mature in the Lord. But I sure have to wonder why the person that repeatedly attacks until the worst in people like me and others I've seen on this thread finally comes out is allowed to continue her behavior never be corrected. That's ok, right? And you sit there and tell this fella to "put on his big pants and grow up," but you don't correct her? There's clearly an agenda here. That's between you and her and these others I guess. You'll just end up with only people that agree with you in here, and I guess that will make you right in a little internet world all your own. So it's all yours. It seems you've driven us all out.

loveme1 · Jul 8, 2013

At the end of each day let us consider our behavior whether it be online or offline.

Is it pleasing to Heavenly Father?

Yesterday something offline happened and i had to really contemplate and knew i could not come to the altar until i had forgiven the trespass.

If i have been forgiven of so much how could i not be quick to forgive?

The same for we all here are we forgiving those that Trespass against us?

Or do we come back for another round the next day?

Start each day a fresh ready to share the Truth given.

iron sharpens, iron.... but are some of us using the iron to attack instead?

MidniteWelder · Jul 8, 2013

Bluecomet said:

1. The parts we see as one
2. and the parts that are broken down into all of its facets ...like revealing the rainbow when he made his covenant to Noah
Which allows us to differentiate the white light from the multitude of colors which actually comprise the makeup of the whole

Similar to his character
Some see one thing as a whole...seeing but not perceiving everything included in making up that one whole
But then we need him to let us see all the facets of his character

loveme1 · Jul 8, 2013

If we do not commit adultery, or honor our Parents are we under the curse of the law and a debt to it all?

Michael50 · Jul 30, 2013

Hey Zoney,,

Thought I would bring up your glorification of sunday thread, while I also repeat what Sister Ellen White had to say over 100 years ago,,,,,enjoy:

"The worshippers of God will be especially distinguished by their regard for the fourth commandment, since this is the sign of God's creative power and the witness to His claim upon man's reverance and homage."

"The wicked will be distinguished by their efforts to tear down the Creators memorial and to exalt the institution of Rome."

"In the issue of the conflict, all Christiandom will be divided into two great classes, those who keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and those who worship the beast and his image and recieve his mark."

"Although church and state will unite their power to compel all, 'both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,' to recieve the mark of the beast. Yet the people of God will not receive it."

Zone,, Sister Ellen had you pegged... Over 100 years ago,, she said folks like you would despise Gods Sabbath,, (all know you hate it). She also said you would make every effort to "Institute" sunday keeping!!!

Simply amazing!!! And here I am typing Sister Ellen's Prophecies that YOU YOURSELF have proven to be true!

No wonder you hate her,, Over 100 years ago,, she seen the disgusting acts that you would do with her prophetic eye.

Have you tore down the Creators memorial (Sabbath) every chance you get here on CC? Yes.

Have you made threads in an attempt to glorify Sunday-keeping? Yes, we are on it now!

Zone,, surely you can see your course. Sister Ellen spoke of people like you,, over 100 years ago!

Repent Zoney!

josh123 · Jul 30, 2013

zone said:

nice effort my sister... but 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [h=3]1 Corinthians 2:14 all we can hope for is 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Matthew 11:15 by the way to the sabbath keepers 34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. John 13:34[/h]

sparkman · May 11, 2015

The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant
Exodus 34:28 “So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the word of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 31:18 “And he gave to Moses when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deut 4:13 “And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone”.
Deut 9:9 “When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you.”
Deut 9:11 “And at the end of forty days and forty nights the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and Israel, not God and Christians
Ex 31:12-17 And the Lord said to Moses, “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.”
The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for ANYONE
Heb 8:13-9:4 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. For a tent was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table, and the bread of the Presence. It is called the Holy Place. Behind the second curtain was a second section called the Most Holy Place, having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.
Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterwards, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith
Gal 3:25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a guardian
2 Cor 3:4-18 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even much more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
The Sabbath, as part of the Old Covenant, is not in affect for ANYONE
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
Rom 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Col 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ
Jesus is our Sabbath or spiritual rest, and we enter into that spiritual rest by placing our faith in Him
Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and lean from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Heb 4:1-8 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest. “ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.”. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today”, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted. “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had not given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from is works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Christians are under the New Covenant, which has much higher demands and different commandments
Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.”
Heb 9:15 Therefore, he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Jn 15:12 This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Jn 15:17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
I am a former Sabbathkeeper due to my association as a new believer with Worldwide Church of God (now called Grace Communion International). Worldwide Church of God came to realize in 1995 that Christians are under the New Covenant, and not the Old Covenant, and the Sabbath does not apply to Christians under the New Covenant. It was a sign of the Old Covenant (like baptism and the Lord’s Supper are signs of the New Covenant), and is not a moral absolute like Sabbathkeepers claim. Sabbathkeeping doctrine invariably takes the focus off the true gospel, which is about Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith in Him (Eph 2:8-9). As a Sabbathkeeper, I rarely heard messages about God’s grace and love; the message of such organizations invariably focuses on the Sabbath. Jesus Christ was also placed on the backburner and was not the focus of their teaching. If you would like good sources of information in regards to the Sabbath check out Grace Communion International’s website at https://www.gci.org/law I now attend an Evangelical Free church that focuses on Jesus Christ and salvation through Him, which is the true gospel.

just-me · May 11, 2015

sparkman, why did you resurrect so many "Sabbath" threads? Are you on a mission of sorts?

sparkman · May 11, 2015

just-me said:

sparkman said:

I posted to a number of threads that interested me. I wanted the participants to see the other side of the argument from a Scriptural perspective.

just-me · May 11, 2015

sparkman said:

What do you think or believe the Sabbath represents?

To me it means this.
Hebrews 4:1-4
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

SarahM777 · May 11, 2015

sparkman said:

just-me said:

That all well and good,but to do so on thread after thread after thread,is a bit of OVERKILL. And you did that on mainly DEAD THREADS. You could have just done so on one or two threads,not 50-100 of them. (I lost count after 50)

sparkman · May 11, 2015

SarahM777 said:

sparkman said:

Understood..sorry.

SarahM777 · May 11, 2015

sparkman said:

sparkman · May 11, 2015

We are probably on the same page. It represents the rest that we have through the finished work of Jesus Christ on the Cross, and we enter into that through faith.

Jesus is our spiritual rest..not a physical rest like the Sabbath law. When the reality came, we no longer need the shadow (Colossians 2:16-17).

I sometimes wonder how Sabbathkeepers would have reacted to a slave coming into the NT church, whose unbelieving master would not let him have Saturday off. Would they simply have consigned the guy to hell?

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