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M
Miri
Guest
Just a comment on this, while I believe that some (and I would stress some)
ailments can have a spiritual dimension to them, this is by no means all. I think
it is unwise to assume that all RA for example is caused for the reasons that
you give, or for that matter, that all Auto Immune disorders are for the reasons you give.
There is a lot science does not know about the human body, we live in a fallen world,
DNA has become corrupted, we battle the world the flesh and the devil, our diet
over the years has also had an effect on health. Much of what we eat is not even real
food any more, just made up chemical compounds.
Does any of this mean God cannot heal - certainly not.
Does any of this mean modern medicine should be ignored - absolutely not
Examples:-
10 years ago I developed graves disease (a form of over active thyroid disease), which
is an auto immune disorder where the anti bodies attack the thyroid gland. It was
at a time in my life when things could not be going better, I had a secure job, I was
an active member of my church, I was growing in the Lord, there was no insecurities,
no self rejection, no self bitterness etc.
I do believe it was genetic, my mum and two cousins have had problems with thyroid
disorders. I prayed, I believed and God showed me He would heal me when the time
was right. Why there was a delay I have no idea but I have an inkling it was about
my own spiritual growth and faith. But when the healing came I knew for sure
it was God's doing and not man's despite the medication I was on.
Truth be told there is no direct cure for graves disease, medicine can only try
to control the hormonal imbalance via medication (which I accepted) and offer
radioactive iodine treatment to destroy the gland, which I rejected as I knew God
would heal me and he has.
I was told repeatedly there was an 90% chance of it returning within 5 years and
it has not happened. Praise God.
It has left me with another underlying disorder which is no big deal, I should prayer
more about that, but because it is no big deal I probably have not been consistent
in praying about it. Again it is something medical science has no cure for.
But my point is that diseases happen for all manner of reasons, we cannot make
generalisations that they all occur due to spiritual matters.
Can God heal all diseases regardless of their origin, yes he can.
I have also been healed of two woman's problems in the past and a joint
problem without medical intervention. Not that I have a problem as I say
with seeking medical advice, its just that in those instances God was my first
port of call. On each occasion they were genuine bodily physical problems
and did not occur due to self hatred, self bitterness etc.
I have a friend who last year developed breast cancer, she has some learning
difficulties so she did not do anything when she first noticed the lump and left it
really late to seek medical advice. By the time she did it was a significant cancer
and had spread to her lymph glands.
We were all there for her during treatment praying, supporting. She also moved
house during the treatment stages due to a problem she had with a purvey
neighbour and so we helped her move and decorate.
Early this year after surgery, several rounds of Chemo and radio therapy,
she got the all clear. But when she first started the treatment the doctors
were not too optimistic. Also at one point she had her lymph glands removed and
the doctors said she would have also sorts of problems with her arm swelling
and the side of her body - it never happened. The power of prayer and the
goodness of God has overcome it all.
Was she spiritually oppressed, self hating etc - no she was and still is the most
bubbly, happy, wonderful, optimistic prayerful person you could ever meet.
Her strength astounds me!
Praise God.
M
microscoped
Guest
Is not healing a ministry? And if a deliverance heals the persons mind is not that part of the healing ministry? If I travel all over the world and I minister to people all over the world is not that evangelism?
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microscoped
Guest
Luke 12: 49-53 Mathew 8:21-22 this is a man who wanted to bury his father. Jesus said no. The other reference I m still looking up. Is not whore a biblical term? Gen 38:24 Lev 19:29 whore is in scripture and speaks of one who is a whore as we know it now. They knew them to be the same in biblical times as well. My wife's infidelities do not speak to whether or not I care about helping the sexually abused.
M
microscoped
Guest
Just a comment on this, while I believe that some (and I would stress some)
ailments can have a spiritual dimension to them, this is by no means all. I think
it is unwise to assume that all RA for example is caused for the reasons that
you give, or for that matter, that all Auto Immune disorders are for the reasons you give.
There is a lot science does not know about the human body, we live in a fallen world,
DNA has become corrupted, we battle the world the flesh and the devil, our diet
over the years has also had an effect on health. Much of what we eat is not even real
food any more, just made up chemical compounds.
Does any of this mean God cannot heal - certainly not.
Does any of this mean modern medicine should be ignored - absolutely not
Examples:-
10 years ago I developed graves disease (a form of over active thyroid disease), which
is an auto immune disorder where the anti bodies attack the thyroid gland. It was
at a time in my life when things could not be going better, I had a secure job, I was
an active member of my church, I was growing in the Lord, there was no insecurities,
no self rejection, no self bitterness etc.
I do believe it was genetic, my mum and two cousins have had problems with thyroid
disorders. I prayed, I believed and God showed me He would heal me when the time
was right. Why there was a delay I have no idea but I have an inkling it was about
my own spiritual growth and faith. But when the healing came I knew for sure
it was God's doing and not man's despite the medication I was on.
Truth be told there is no direct cure for graves disease, medicine can only try
to control the hormonal imbalance via medication (which I accepted) and offer
radioactive iodine treatment to destroy the gland, which I rejected as I knew God
would heal me and he has.
I was told repeatedly there was an 90% chance of it returning within 5 years and
it has not happened. Praise God.
It has left me with another underlying disorder which is no big deal, I should prayer
more about that, but because it is no big deal I probably have not been consistent
in praying about it. Again it is something medical science has no cure for.
But my point is that diseases happen for all manner of reasons, we cannot make
generalisations that they all occur due to spiritual matters.
Can God heal all diseases regardless of their origin, yes he can.
I have also been healed of two woman's problems in the past and a joint
problem without medical intervention. Not that I have a problem as I say
with seeking medical advice, its just that in those instances God was my first
port of call. On each occasion they were genuine bodily physical problems
and did not occur due to self hatred, self bitterness etc.
I have a friend who last year developed breast cancer, she has some learning
difficulties so she did not do anything when she first noticed the lump and left it
really late to seek medical advice. By the time she did it was a significant cancer
and had spread to her lymph glands.
We were all there for her during treatment praying, supporting. She also moved
house during the treatment stages due to a problem she had with a purvey
neighbour and so we helped her move and decorate.
Early this year after surgery, several rounds of Chemo and radio therapy,
she got the all clear. But when she first started the treatment the doctors
were not too optimistic. Also at one point she had her lymph glands removed and
the doctors said she would have also sorts of problems with her arm swelling
and the side of her body - it never happened. The power of prayer and the
goodness of God has overcome it all.
Was she spiritually oppressed, self hating etc - no she was and still is the most
bubbly, happy, wonderful, optimistic prayerful person you could ever meet.
Her strength astounds me!
Praise God.
The thing with spiritually attached illness is it may be generational. Ex.20:5 speaks of the iniquity of the fathers being visited upon the third and fourth generation. Now about your mother or father or grandparents?
J
JesusIsAll
Guest
Not so sure about that. More often than not, you see some misanthrope in a web forum, and, likely, their parents and grandparents were normal. Anyway, I don't mean to interrupt the pressing affairs of the day, but two things, Microscoped, then you can get back to diagnosing generations of your patients.
First, did you ever pull the rabbit out of a hat? Please, you can't expect anybody to suffer a dozen pages of ChristianChat and look for themselves. If so, just a post number will do. I forgot to mention before, but I also like the ones that begin, like, "Pick a card. Any card." Secondly, you cast out my alters. I was wondering if I could have them back? It's gotten very lonely, since.
If you haven't already, don't forget the rabbit! Being Microscoped, you're bound to let it slide.
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Miri
Guest
I believe there can be spiritual generational issues in "some" instances. I don't however believe
there can be generational physical ailments passed down into a spirit filled born again Christian set
free by God.
Honest micro I'm not sure quite what to make of you, I have read and considered and been slow
to critique as important matters are at stake.
Either you are genuine but not very good at explaining yourself as you seem to be doing a lot
of back tracking. The thread has gone from wanting to explain about deliverance, to inviting people
(alters) with MPD to ask for help and prayer, to saying you have identified people with this problem
on this site, to explaining why you believe you are qualified to do so and giving the impression
that you want to help people on CC with this perceived issue and inviting them to come
forward for prayer and deliverance.
That you were a PK (I'm assuming you mean Pastors Kid) but on other threads you have
shown a lack of biblical knowledge.
To then clarifying you have some personal issues, are going through a divorce because your wife
found you speaking to other women on the Internet (you have also mentioned other issues with
your wife and in all fairness I would not want to down play the other things as it sounds as if you
both had issues), to saying that your ministry is part of a group, but then you also minister on line
to hurt women and can spend hours speaking to them.
To then admit you are out of season insofar as the deliverance ministry goes but God has sent a few
people to you in the meantime (I can understand this part by the way). With all the various comments
inbetween. As I say possibly this is all true but you have not put it across very well it is all a bit
disjointed. Can you appreciate that?
The other possibility is that maybe you did have a genuine ministry to help others but are not at all
ready to continue with this at the current time and maybe you need to lay it down completely. Until you
are in a right frame of mind and spirit to be able to pick it back up and focus on it and link up
with others who can provide accountability.
Or maybe you are not genuine at all!
I would add that the Internet can be a very predatory place. So when you say you have spent hours
speaking/ministering to women on the Internet and your wife had left you because of this, it does cause
alarm bells to ring As I say maybe it is all perfectly genuine but ... on the face of it, you have to admit
it looks dodgy.
If this is genuine then I wish you all the best, I think it will take a lot of convincing at the moment though.
God bless x
M
microscoped
Guest
I can appreciate the lack of confidence in my disjointed answers. Although if put together in context they fit. You can tell that I have not just openly given a list of my accomplishments and my qualifications. People have had to keep prying to get it out. I am not one to just not answer and say its none of someone's business when the questions have been somewhat legitimate.
You state you believe in generational curses but do not believe they can be passed down to a believer. But you stop short of answering the question is the self hatred or any of the other causes listed in your family line?
I am genuine and at times have trouble explaining things but you have to remember not only am I trying to keep my identity secret but am trying to divulge only what is needed. I actually have a vast knowledge of the bible. Only my interpretation and what I believe may different than others does not mean I m scripturally illiterate. My wife has not left I am the one that left. The ministry team I traveled with was all interconnected with my online and phone ministering. You are right I am not ready yet to continue. I have been told by God to get ready. In getting ready I came to this site to vent and get help with dealing with the end of my marriage. It is through this I was asked about deliverance. I don't even know how it came up.
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ember
Guest
we aren't discussing you at this point
we are taking note of you generic and evasive answers
YOU are asked to provide scripture and then you evade saying you don't have any, by asking if healing is a ministry...
you simply dodge, duck and detour
Which woman were you texting when you were told to step down from teaching Sunday School?
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ember
Guest
Well so is dung
However, my + wife + whore are not usually coming from the mouth of a 'minister'
Sure your wife's sins speak to your failure to obey scripture....priest of the home mean anything to you?
You have time for suffering women you say, but your wife has suffered as well...God is not first in a person's life when stranges come before the person you are married to...
Your wife has been put 2nd to every woman you had time for
Dip, dodge and dally
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ember
Guest
I have severe RA, I've been in med failure for 4 months because of moving and problems with insurance. It is a HORRID disease, when it is not treated properly. On the weekend, I was so bad, I had to take a wheelchair from the bed to the bathroom and back, and blinding pain getting in and out of it. So please do not downplay her pain!
If your mom is in pain and having active flares, she needs to press her rheumatologist to get on a biologic that works. It may take a few tries. But it would really change your mom's life. What you could do for her, is help her get an appointment, go with her to that appointment and intervene for her. A lot of rheumatologists go by the numbers, not the symptoms. So if her sed rate is low, they think she is not severe. I was not treated properly for the first 7 years I had this disease beause of that. Now I am classed as very severe, and my new rheumatologist is doing a super job managing my health issues, and my RA.
I'll bet if she got on better drugs, it would really turn her around. There was a point I gave up on God and man, the pain was so bad. God used that time of pain and suffering and loneliness to change me and to call me to minister to the hurting and broken. And yes, I was also badly abused as a child, and God did heal my heart and mind and also gave me the privilege of leading both my parents to the Lord.
Everyone I know with adult onset RA was abused as either as a child or when in their teens. Researchers know there is a huge correlation between childhood abuse and autoimmune disorders.
But don't give up! Get her to a rheumatologist as soon as possible. Get her on better drugs. Then you will witness with your deeds as well as your words. I can well believe it is difficult to talk to someone who is probably self-obsessed with her physical and mental pain. But God has called you to help your mom, I think you know.
Praying you can make some constructive changes in your mom's life, and be a witness to the glory of Jesus Christ.
This is a book by the false healer, Henry Wright. Back when my RA was largely untreated, a friend of mine who was a minister in Kenneth Copeland's cult sent it to me and told me to read it. There were so many lies and speculation, it was shocking!
The even sadder part is my friend went to his healing center when she got breast cancer. Henry declared her healed, so she refused cancer treatments, because she was healed! 10 months later, she died when the cancer metastasized to the rest of her body and her brain.
Besides, this is NOT the Bible. I have yet to see you post ONE verse of Scripture in your threads, despite repeated requests from numerous members.
I think you are thoroughly deluded, and have little or no Bible knowledge. My thought is you need to read the Bible, study it through non-Word Faith blinders, specifically looking for passages on how suffering is a NORMAL part of life, even for Christians. Then you might be humble enough to admit you are deluded and trying to pull others into this psychotic delusion that everything is demonically based!
J
JesusIsAll
Guest
Perhaps you should have more empathy. As Wonder Woman, you should be first to realize that, with the shift to cellphones, it's probably getting harder and harder to find a phone booth to pop into. And he does strike me as a guy who'd not cast out any alters, before donning his tights.
(Okay, Microscoped. Just a pick a number trick, then? You don't have to be reluctant. It doesn't have to be a verse number.)
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ember
Guest
now now...all in good time...God has not told him to reveal them yet
besides we all know that revelation trumps the written word every time
haven't you had a revelation here?
So hmmm, I was wondering Wonder Woman, would it be ok, I mean I do not want to intrude or anything, but hmmmmm, ok...
Could you take me for a ride in your invisible jet?
Where did he call his wife a Whore!?!?!
Its the detail that gave him away. Any called minster knows that it is GOD, FAMILY and then ministry.
J
JesusIsAll
Guest
This is all becoming quite bizarre. Alright, it was always quite bizarre, but I flipped around a little, and, everybody should understand you can't expect anybody to read pages of anything here, just not healthy, but wives and whores? Where is that coming from? Is that like alter whores, or whore whores, or what? I have no idea what's going on here, not sure I want to, like peeking under that rock, but this guy is beginning to sound like Jimmy Swaggart. If he starts writing in babble, well, there you go!
Whatever happened to walk like Jesus...as ridiculous as this thread might be,all you guys are doing is fueling the fire..making a mockery out of this poor man. Calling him names...you all should be ashamed of yourself. Microscopes...you kinda lost me. I'm not to sure what all your claiming. If you can list off what exactly your claiming and provide scriptural reference that would be perfect!
J
JesusIsAll
Guest
This "poor man" claims Christians can be possessed by demons. This "poor man" suggests a Christian may get kicked out of heaven. This "poor man" has never delivered on scripture proof promised, of things, of course, which can't be proved, which are lies. Now he's casting out multiple personalities online he claims Christians have. It's all a very stupid joke. What's a mockery is what this, yes, ridiculous thread, and others of his, make of the faith. Tell you what. Some of you pack in the ridiculous and shameful lies, and others of us will actually find something worthwhile. Fair enough? Until then, it's just a joke, and all "poor men" had better get saved, first, before even attempting to address theological issues. Much harsher words could be used of false prophets, as the Bible does, if you don't like humor. You want to sing kumbaya with every phony whacko that blows through the door, fine, but maybe you shouldn't try dictating this to others, who may have a radically different view of what is truly shameful, which you don't seem to mind. Speak for yourself.
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