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I got to laugh because it is absurd.
"Your doctrine is from the pit" "No your doctrine is from the pit"
The Lord is very gracious, but people have died because of such words because of the Lords judgement.
Where is the respect and restraint. For some it is the way they express themselves, for others they are hurt and rejected. Where is the fruit of the spirit, believing the other has just miss-understood. If you find your heart going overtime, it may be time to take a break, and really find out who you are, or you will find you great spirituality has hurt the one you all claim to love so, Jesus.
Many ministries appear to start well and end wrong. Some have gone too far, they will never return. Much of the Latter Rain are in this group, and some in the WOF, name it claim it groups. But one sign of failure is being so self possessed you no longer know who you are hurting or why. Most believers are sincere people with an angle on things that needs understanding if you wish to help them back. But no, you are bigger than Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I mean loving people is not the core essence of who we are?
"Your doctrine is from the pit" "No your doctrine is from the pit"
The Lord is very gracious, but people have died because of such words because of the Lords judgement.
Where is the respect and restraint. For some it is the way they express themselves, for others they are hurt and rejected. Where is the fruit of the spirit, believing the other has just miss-understood. If you find your heart going overtime, it may be time to take a break, and really find out who you are, or you will find you great spirituality has hurt the one you all claim to love so, Jesus.
Many ministries appear to start well and end wrong. Some have gone too far, they will never return. Much of the Latter Rain are in this group, and some in the WOF, name it claim it groups. But one sign of failure is being so self possessed you no longer know who you are hurting or why. Most believers are sincere people with an angle on things that needs understanding if you wish to help them back. But no, you are bigger than Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I mean loving people is not the core essence of who we are?
Where did a curse you? You sin. Instead of having a rational discussion, you started finger pointing and calling me a false teacher. You must have a Jezebel Spirit. I would know, my mom had one, and I had to grow up with it. You know how a woman with prophetic gifting’s like my mom ends up with a Jezebel Spirit? Sexual Immorality during the 1970s.
We are a Body of Christ, and we are all called to different things. Some are the hands, some the feet, some the eyes, some the mouth. I am following where The Spirit of God is leading me.
I was 29, and getting close the age of 30. I felt like I was suddenly being called to be a Prophet. I didn't really know what a Prophet was, nor did I ever see myself working for a Church or God. God showed me a void in the Church, and guided me into it. He brought me to the following two websites, and, especially KingdomWatchers, I felt like I was reading about myself. I felt like I had found kindred Spirits. Have I been confirmed by a Church? You can look at most of what I have produced by clicking on the twitter link in my signature and judge for yourself.
Picture of a Prophet by L. Ravenhill
Prophetic Ministry
We are a Body of Christ, and we are all called to different things. Some are the hands, some the feet, some the eyes, some the mouth. I am following where The Spirit of God is leading me.
I was 29, and getting close the age of 30. I felt like I was suddenly being called to be a Prophet. I didn't really know what a Prophet was, nor did I ever see myself working for a Church or God. God showed me a void in the Church, and guided me into it. He brought me to the following two websites, and, especially KingdomWatchers, I felt like I was reading about myself. I felt like I had found kindred Spirits. Have I been confirmed by a Church? You can look at most of what I have produced by clicking on the twitter link in my signature and judge for yourself.
Picture of a Prophet by L. Ravenhill
Prophetic Ministry
Bible butchery at its best.
1.
Isolated Texts
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Context
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Paul is speaking in a general sense of people, both Jewish people and Gentile people. Paul quotes the sentiment expressed (ie. as it is written)...
Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psa 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 14:4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.
and...
Psa 53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Psa 53:2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
Psa 53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 53:4 Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.
Context
1. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2. Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge?
These Bible Butchers would have people believe that Paul is teaching SIN YOU WILL AND SIN YOU MUST. Paul is teaching nothing of the sort. Paul is making a point that BOTH Jews and Gentiles need the Messiah. BOTH Jews and Gentiles need to be saved from sin.
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
...
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
These Bible Butchers hide the real context of the proof texts they use. They do this...
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
The "none good, none righteous" is a reference to the workers of iniquity, people who have rejected the counsel of God. It is not a reference to those who obey God. The Bible speaks of righteous people...
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
None righteous?
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
None righteous?
Psa_34:15 The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.
None righteous?
Paul taught...
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Do these Bible Butchers teach that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Do these Bible Butchers teach that faith upholds the law?
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Do these Bible Butchers teach that faith works by love?
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Do these Bible Butchers teach that love fulfills the law?
NO! Their theology is premised on false doctrines...
1. Jesus died as a Penal Substitute where He bore the wrath of God and thus paid the penalty due thus making it not due anymore. Thus those who "trust that this happened" are no longer under wrath because the sin penalty cannot be made due again.
2. The righteousness of Jesus is viewed as a transferable property and is credited to the account of those who "believe it."
Thus their theology is "trust Jesus + nothing." They believe that anyone who thinks that they have to actually "walk in righteousness" as a condition to receive eternal life is a self righteous person who does not trust in Jesus. How absurd. How foolish. Jesus taught HEAR AND DO and they teach a mere CONFESS AND TRUST. They think just "confesses their sinfulness" and "trusts in what Jesus did on the cross" and PRESTO they are saved. There is no striving, digging deep, narrow way, dying to this life, crucifixion of the flesh, forsaking all evil, heart purity at all. These people reject the teachings of Jesus in favour of a butchered version of Paul.
Don't buy into it folks.
1.
Isolated Texts
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Context
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Paul is speaking in a general sense of people, both Jewish people and Gentile people. Paul quotes the sentiment expressed (ie. as it is written)...
Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psa 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 14:4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.
and...
Psa 53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Psa 53:2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
Psa 53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 53:4 Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.
Context
1. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2. Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge?
These Bible Butchers would have people believe that Paul is teaching SIN YOU WILL AND SIN YOU MUST. Paul is teaching nothing of the sort. Paul is making a point that BOTH Jews and Gentiles need the Messiah. BOTH Jews and Gentiles need to be saved from sin.
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
...
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
These Bible Butchers hide the real context of the proof texts they use. They do this...
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
The "none good, none righteous" is a reference to the workers of iniquity, people who have rejected the counsel of God. It is not a reference to those who obey God. The Bible speaks of righteous people...
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
None righteous?
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
None righteous?
Psa_34:15 The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.
None righteous?
Paul taught...
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Do these Bible Butchers teach that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Do these Bible Butchers teach that faith upholds the law?
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Do these Bible Butchers teach that faith works by love?
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Do these Bible Butchers teach that love fulfills the law?
NO! Their theology is premised on false doctrines...
1. Jesus died as a Penal Substitute where He bore the wrath of God and thus paid the penalty due thus making it not due anymore. Thus those who "trust that this happened" are no longer under wrath because the sin penalty cannot be made due again.
2. The righteousness of Jesus is viewed as a transferable property and is credited to the account of those who "believe it."
Thus their theology is "trust Jesus + nothing." They believe that anyone who thinks that they have to actually "walk in righteousness" as a condition to receive eternal life is a self righteous person who does not trust in Jesus. How absurd. How foolish. Jesus taught HEAR AND DO and they teach a mere CONFESS AND TRUST. They think just "confesses their sinfulness" and "trusts in what Jesus did on the cross" and PRESTO they are saved. There is no striving, digging deep, narrow way, dying to this life, crucifixion of the flesh, forsaking all evil, heart purity at all. These people reject the teachings of Jesus in favour of a butchered version of Paul.
Don't buy into it folks.
Bible butchery at its best.
2.
Isolated Text
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Context
Isa 64:1 Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence,
Isa 64:2 As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence!
Isa 64:3 When thou didst terrible things which we looked not for, thou camest down, the mountains flowed down at thy presence.
Isa 64:4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
Isa 64:5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Isa 64:7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Isa 64:9 Be not wroth very sore, O LORD, neither remember iniquity for ever: behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people.
Isa 64:10 Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation.
Isa 64:11 Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste.
Isa 64:12 Wilt thou refrain thyself for these things, O LORD? wilt thou hold thy peace, and afflict us very sore?
Isaiah is lamenting the state of Israel as being a wicked people. Isaiah is speaking in a general sense. It is the perceived righteousness of Israel which was as filthy rags before God, not the righteousness of the faithful.
Was the righteousness of Abel as filthy rags before God?
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Of course not. Isaiah wrote...
Isa 64:5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
Isaiah presents a contrast between...
1. Those that meet God, rejoice and work righteousness. Those whom remember the ways of God.
and
2. Those who work iniquity (Isa 65:7) whom do not meet God.
The Bible Butchers snip a single verse from Isaiah and twist it from its context to support the notion that the best efforts of men is as a filthy rag before God. What nonsense.
One of the reasons they do this is because they believe in SIN YOU WILL AND SIN YOU MUST. The notion of "sin you will and sin you must" is a notion birthed in ancient Gnostic philosophy and this notion was able to successfully infiltrate Christianity around the time of Augustine of Hippo in the Fourth Century. Here is a video which thoroughly documents this infiltration...
[video=youtube;KVQ1t5i058Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVQ1t5i058Q[/video]
The notion of "sin you will and sin you must" necessitates a theology where salvation must be viewed as a cloak for the ongoing manifest sinful state. The Bible Butchers will reinforce a position where "we don't condone sin" but their doctrine forces them to mandate its continuance. When sin is viewed as a necessity and salvation is viewed as a cloak then actual conduct loses any real meaning as it pertains to Christianity. All they can do under this delusion is counsel people IN their sins to wait upon God to effect a change in them, a change in which the individual is not proactive due to the foundation notion of inability (ie. sin in general cannot stop). They are also compelled to constantly cast dispersion upon those who teach a true freedom FROM sin.
2.
Isolated Text
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Context
Isa 64:1 Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence,
Isa 64:2 As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence!
Isa 64:3 When thou didst terrible things which we looked not for, thou camest down, the mountains flowed down at thy presence.
Isa 64:4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
Isa 64:5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Isa 64:7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Isa 64:9 Be not wroth very sore, O LORD, neither remember iniquity for ever: behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people.
Isa 64:10 Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation.
Isa 64:11 Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste.
Isa 64:12 Wilt thou refrain thyself for these things, O LORD? wilt thou hold thy peace, and afflict us very sore?
Isaiah is lamenting the state of Israel as being a wicked people. Isaiah is speaking in a general sense. It is the perceived righteousness of Israel which was as filthy rags before God, not the righteousness of the faithful.
Was the righteousness of Abel as filthy rags before God?
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Of course not. Isaiah wrote...
Isa 64:5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
Isaiah presents a contrast between...
1. Those that meet God, rejoice and work righteousness. Those whom remember the ways of God.
and
2. Those who work iniquity (Isa 65:7) whom do not meet God.
The Bible Butchers snip a single verse from Isaiah and twist it from its context to support the notion that the best efforts of men is as a filthy rag before God. What nonsense.
One of the reasons they do this is because they believe in SIN YOU WILL AND SIN YOU MUST. The notion of "sin you will and sin you must" is a notion birthed in ancient Gnostic philosophy and this notion was able to successfully infiltrate Christianity around the time of Augustine of Hippo in the Fourth Century. Here is a video which thoroughly documents this infiltration...
[video=youtube;KVQ1t5i058Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVQ1t5i058Q[/video]
The notion of "sin you will and sin you must" necessitates a theology where salvation must be viewed as a cloak for the ongoing manifest sinful state. The Bible Butchers will reinforce a position where "we don't condone sin" but their doctrine forces them to mandate its continuance. When sin is viewed as a necessity and salvation is viewed as a cloak then actual conduct loses any real meaning as it pertains to Christianity. All they can do under this delusion is counsel people IN their sins to wait upon God to effect a change in them, a change in which the individual is not proactive due to the foundation notion of inability (ie. sin in general cannot stop). They are also compelled to constantly cast dispersion upon those who teach a true freedom FROM sin.
You know ember...... Well actually I have no idea where you are coming from because you lack empathy. It is like meeting a corperate salesman, who wants to put forward the brand image. It is not what they believe or understand but they know what would sound good for the brand. You like things in the boxes and really have no idea what I am saying, because it relates to that thing most people have, which is a heart. It is what Jesus gave us.
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. Ezek 36:26
The pharisees did not understand Jesus, because this is what he was talking about all the time. Emotional honesty, being like a child, open, honest, and truthful. They saw that if they could get contributions to the temple, it was fine even if the parents went hungry.
I wonder if you understand what I am getting at?
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Matt 5:8
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. Ezek 36:26
The pharisees did not understand Jesus, because this is what he was talking about all the time. Emotional honesty, being like a child, open, honest, and truthful. They saw that if they could get contributions to the temple, it was fine even if the parents went hungry.
I wonder if you understand what I am getting at?
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Matt 5:8
Thankyou Lord. Ember does not think I have the same spirit as her. I wonder which tick boxes get the right approval rating. Maybe moving in the gifts, showing love, having words of prophecy, teaching from the Lord, or is it just agreeing with her ideas and positions.
Now which do you think is following the Lords way and which is mans way. The clue could be agreeing with the Lord or agreeing with peoples ideas.
Bible Butchery at its best.
3.
Isolated Text
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Context
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
John is writing against the prevalent Gnostic notion that "conduct" does not have to match "profession." The Gnostics made a distinction between...
1. Matter - Base and corrupt.
2. Spirit - Pure and incorruptible.
The Gnostics taught that the physical body (flesh) entrapped the spirit and its virtue (a kind of corruption surrounding the incorruptible). They viewed the physical body as evil in and of itself on the premise that it was made of matter. They taught that salvation was obtained via the means of Gnosis or Knowledge. A soul was to come to a realisation of the abstract nature of their spirit and focus upon this perception in order to be detached from the corrupted physical. An avenue to achieve this was via asceticism, or the renouncing of the physical. It was this kind of philosophical mindset which led to many of the ancient orders where the adherents would indulge in things like flagellation (self whipping), fasting, celibacy and the forsaking of comforts.
It was taught that the flesh itself was manifestly sinful and thus the sheer fact that one existed in a "flesh body" necessitated that one was sinful. Thus the Gnostics would teach that actual deeds were disconnected from the actual spiritual state. John refuted this by saying...
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
In other words the conduct had to match the profession. When John wrote...
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
...the context is in regards to "how we initially approach God" in repentance. John is not teaching, "sin you will and sin you must" nor is he teaching the Gnostic notion that the flesh is sinful. John is simply reasserting what the Bible teaches elsewhere...
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
In other words John is teaching that in order to be cleansed of our sins we have to be completely honest before God. We all have sin to our account for we have all rebelled against God. The Gnostics taught that it was the flesh which sinned not the spirit and thus a Gnostic might claim that they had no sin. John taught that we must WALK in the light and COME CLEAN with God in order to be cleansed of all sin and unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
The Bible Butchers snip 1John 1:8 and use it a a proof text for "sin you will and sin you must." They complete ignore the actual context of the verse and also ignore the other things which John wrote where he connects manifest conduct with authentic Christianity.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Little children, let no man deceive you. Many are going to try.
[video=youtube;eoxNCyN0kwo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoxNCyN0kwo[/video]
3.
Isolated Text
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Context
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
John is writing against the prevalent Gnostic notion that "conduct" does not have to match "profession." The Gnostics made a distinction between...
1. Matter - Base and corrupt.
2. Spirit - Pure and incorruptible.
The Gnostics taught that the physical body (flesh) entrapped the spirit and its virtue (a kind of corruption surrounding the incorruptible). They viewed the physical body as evil in and of itself on the premise that it was made of matter. They taught that salvation was obtained via the means of Gnosis or Knowledge. A soul was to come to a realisation of the abstract nature of their spirit and focus upon this perception in order to be detached from the corrupted physical. An avenue to achieve this was via asceticism, or the renouncing of the physical. It was this kind of philosophical mindset which led to many of the ancient orders where the adherents would indulge in things like flagellation (self whipping), fasting, celibacy and the forsaking of comforts.
It was taught that the flesh itself was manifestly sinful and thus the sheer fact that one existed in a "flesh body" necessitated that one was sinful. Thus the Gnostics would teach that actual deeds were disconnected from the actual spiritual state. John refuted this by saying...
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
In other words the conduct had to match the profession. When John wrote...
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
...the context is in regards to "how we initially approach God" in repentance. John is not teaching, "sin you will and sin you must" nor is he teaching the Gnostic notion that the flesh is sinful. John is simply reasserting what the Bible teaches elsewhere...
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
In other words John is teaching that in order to be cleansed of our sins we have to be completely honest before God. We all have sin to our account for we have all rebelled against God. The Gnostics taught that it was the flesh which sinned not the spirit and thus a Gnostic might claim that they had no sin. John taught that we must WALK in the light and COME CLEAN with God in order to be cleansed of all sin and unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
The Bible Butchers snip 1John 1:8 and use it a a proof text for "sin you will and sin you must." They complete ignore the actual context of the verse and also ignore the other things which John wrote where he connects manifest conduct with authentic Christianity.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Little children, let no man deceive you. Many are going to try.
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More self righteous bloviating........and I guess you are blind to the truth of the OP.....which is quite simply that every one sins including the saved children of God...so....keep believing in your self righteous attitude and following your daddy the devil and his cohorts, the Pharisees and see where it gets you......Jesus will tell you the same thing he told them...!
Bible Butchery at its best.
4.
Isolated Text
Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Context
Ecc 7:16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?
Ecc 7:17 Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?
Ecc 7:18 It is good that thou shouldest take hold of this; yea, also from this withdraw not thine hand: for he that feareth God shall come forth of them all.
Ecc 7:19 Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city.
Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Ecc 7:21 Also take no heed unto all words that are spoken; lest thou hear thy servant curse thee:
Ecc 7:22 For oftentimes also thine own heart knoweth that thou thyself likewise hast cursed others.
First of all this passage is the observation of Solomon, a very wise man. In this passage Paul warns people against pride in regards to righteousness (Ecc 7:16) and warns against being foolish in wickedness whereby one may die before their proper time. Solomon gives emphasis to the importance of wisdom and even contrasts it with physical prowess (Ecc 7:19). Then to conclude these remarks he says "FOR" (a term connecting the latter with the context of the former) there is not a just man upon the earth, that does the right thing, and does not sin. He then speaks against hypocrisy and uses the example of cursing which is something very similar to what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount (Mat 7:3).
Is Solomon teaching "sin you will and sin you must" ?
He clearly is not because the Bible is a harmonious whole and not a book of isolated proof texts. Solomon also wrote...
Pro 24:1 Be not thou envious against evil men, neither desire to be with them.
Pro 24:2 For their heart studieth destruction, and their lips talk of mischief.
Pro 24:3 Through wisdom is an house builded; and by understanding it is established:
Pro 24:4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.
Pro 24:5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength.
The wicked reject true wisdom and knowledge but the wise man builds a house upon knowledge by which his strength is increased. This is the same sentiment expressed in Ecc 7:19 where Solomon wrote, "Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city." Solomon then wrote a few verses later in Proverbs...
Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
Solomon recognises the imperfection of men hence the need for attaining knowledge through wisdom by which one can grow and be strengthened. Ecc 7:10 is not a proof text for "sin you will and sin you must," rather it is an acknowledgement of the limited understanding of human beings and the reasoning that human beings ought not become prideful lest they should destroy themselves.
We see similar sentiment expressed in Hebrews...
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Paul taught...
Obedience unto righteousness
Righteousness unto Holiness
Holiness the end of which is everlasting life.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
...
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
...
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
The Bible Butchers will rip Ecc 7:20 from its context and use it as a proof text for "sin you will and sin you must." These Bible Butchers will make no distinction whatsoever between "willful sin" and "sins of ignorance" and due to this they will discount any connection between "obedience unto righteousness" like Paul taught.
They will generally hold to the false doctrine of the "Imputed Righteousness of Christ" where they think that by "trusting Jesus" and "trusting His finished work" (as they perceive it) that the literal "obedient track record of Jesus" is credited to their account. In other words they believe that God PRETENDS they are righteous when they are in fact still manifestly wicked (premised on butchering 1Joh 1:8).
God reckons FAITH as righteousness (Rom 4:5) because faith is representative of a heart condition. As genuine Christians we are righteous in heart for we operate via a faith that works by love and walk in the Spirit whereby true righteousness is fulfilled in us. There is no "self righteousness" in such a thing, we simply love God and love our neighbour and do His will as far as we understand it. When we fall short due to ignorance God brings correction by which we learn and grow. Hence we grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
It is true that if we sin we have an advocate (1Joh 2:1) but that is in the context of sins of ignorance. If we willfully sin then we would fall under condemnation because Jesus did not die for ongoing willful sin. Jesus died to cleanse us from our past sins that we may serve God in good conscience. To willfully sin after having been sanctified is to undo the purpose of the cleansing in our lives and such an action would leave anyone in a very dangerous situation, a situation where repentance may not be found again.
Strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life and there be FEW who enter in. Be one of the few. Don't be deceived by the MANY Bible Butchers out there.
Here are two articles I wrote about the differences between Willful Sin and Ignorant Sin...
The Pearl of Great Price: Two Types of Sin
The Pearl of Great Price: Sin Unto Death
4.
Isolated Text
Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Context
Ecc 7:16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?
Ecc 7:17 Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?
Ecc 7:18 It is good that thou shouldest take hold of this; yea, also from this withdraw not thine hand: for he that feareth God shall come forth of them all.
Ecc 7:19 Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city.
Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Ecc 7:21 Also take no heed unto all words that are spoken; lest thou hear thy servant curse thee:
Ecc 7:22 For oftentimes also thine own heart knoweth that thou thyself likewise hast cursed others.
First of all this passage is the observation of Solomon, a very wise man. In this passage Paul warns people against pride in regards to righteousness (Ecc 7:16) and warns against being foolish in wickedness whereby one may die before their proper time. Solomon gives emphasis to the importance of wisdom and even contrasts it with physical prowess (Ecc 7:19). Then to conclude these remarks he says "FOR" (a term connecting the latter with the context of the former) there is not a just man upon the earth, that does the right thing, and does not sin. He then speaks against hypocrisy and uses the example of cursing which is something very similar to what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount (Mat 7:3).
Is Solomon teaching "sin you will and sin you must" ?
He clearly is not because the Bible is a harmonious whole and not a book of isolated proof texts. Solomon also wrote...
Pro 24:1 Be not thou envious against evil men, neither desire to be with them.
Pro 24:2 For their heart studieth destruction, and their lips talk of mischief.
Pro 24:3 Through wisdom is an house builded; and by understanding it is established:
Pro 24:4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.
Pro 24:5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength.
The wicked reject true wisdom and knowledge but the wise man builds a house upon knowledge by which his strength is increased. This is the same sentiment expressed in Ecc 7:19 where Solomon wrote, "Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city." Solomon then wrote a few verses later in Proverbs...
Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
Solomon recognises the imperfection of men hence the need for attaining knowledge through wisdom by which one can grow and be strengthened. Ecc 7:10 is not a proof text for "sin you will and sin you must," rather it is an acknowledgement of the limited understanding of human beings and the reasoning that human beings ought not become prideful lest they should destroy themselves.
We see similar sentiment expressed in Hebrews...
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Paul taught...
Obedience unto righteousness
Righteousness unto Holiness
Holiness the end of which is everlasting life.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
...
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
...
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
The Bible Butchers will rip Ecc 7:20 from its context and use it as a proof text for "sin you will and sin you must." These Bible Butchers will make no distinction whatsoever between "willful sin" and "sins of ignorance" and due to this they will discount any connection between "obedience unto righteousness" like Paul taught.
They will generally hold to the false doctrine of the "Imputed Righteousness of Christ" where they think that by "trusting Jesus" and "trusting His finished work" (as they perceive it) that the literal "obedient track record of Jesus" is credited to their account. In other words they believe that God PRETENDS they are righteous when they are in fact still manifestly wicked (premised on butchering 1Joh 1:8).
God reckons FAITH as righteousness (Rom 4:5) because faith is representative of a heart condition. As genuine Christians we are righteous in heart for we operate via a faith that works by love and walk in the Spirit whereby true righteousness is fulfilled in us. There is no "self righteousness" in such a thing, we simply love God and love our neighbour and do His will as far as we understand it. When we fall short due to ignorance God brings correction by which we learn and grow. Hence we grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
It is true that if we sin we have an advocate (1Joh 2:1) but that is in the context of sins of ignorance. If we willfully sin then we would fall under condemnation because Jesus did not die for ongoing willful sin. Jesus died to cleanse us from our past sins that we may serve God in good conscience. To willfully sin after having been sanctified is to undo the purpose of the cleansing in our lives and such an action would leave anyone in a very dangerous situation, a situation where repentance may not be found again.
Strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life and there be FEW who enter in. Be one of the few. Don't be deceived by the MANY Bible Butchers out there.
Here are two articles I wrote about the differences between Willful Sin and Ignorant Sin...
The Pearl of Great Price: Two Types of Sin
The Pearl of Great Price: Sin Unto Death
This is a great example of a posts lacking any real substance. In the first example a baseless accusation is made and then the substance of these accusations is linked to Jesus confrontation with the Pharisees. The second post need not any comment.
Let's take a closer look at what Jesus actually said to the Pharisees and that the whole issue was about.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
The Pharisees were blind. They practiced religion yet omitted any semblance of real judgement, mercy and faith. Thus they would strain at the insignificant and swallow a big lie. Jesus said to them...
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
The problem with the Pharisees was that they professed righteousness through their religious practices yet their hearts remained wicked. Jesus told them to, "cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. "
Do the Bible Butchers like the one quoted above teach that? No they don't. They argue in favour of ongoing wickedness. They argue in favour of "sin you will and sin you must." They don't teach anything about heart purity.
The Pharisees did not preach heart purity. The Pharisees preached religious observance, rites and rituals. The Pharisees preached obedience to their authority.
I preach obedience unto righteousness from a faith that works by love. I preach heart purity via obedience to the truth through the Spirit.
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Has anyone ever seen a Bible Butcher quote 1 Pet 1:22? I never have. They cannot quote that verse because it undermines the lie they believe. Instead they will teach...
Yet the Bible teaches...
Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
The truth stands in stark contrast to the lie.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
It is the doers of the word whose houses will stand. The workers of iniquity will perish.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Let's take a closer look at what Jesus actually said to the Pharisees and that the whole issue was about.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
The Pharisees were blind. They practiced religion yet omitted any semblance of real judgement, mercy and faith. Thus they would strain at the insignificant and swallow a big lie. Jesus said to them...
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
The problem with the Pharisees was that they professed righteousness through their religious practices yet their hearts remained wicked. Jesus told them to, "cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. "
Do the Bible Butchers like the one quoted above teach that? No they don't. They argue in favour of ongoing wickedness. They argue in favour of "sin you will and sin you must." They don't teach anything about heart purity.
The Pharisees did not preach heart purity. The Pharisees preached religious observance, rites and rituals. The Pharisees preached obedience to their authority.
I preach obedience unto righteousness from a faith that works by love. I preach heart purity via obedience to the truth through the Spirit.
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Has anyone ever seen a Bible Butcher quote 1 Pet 1:22? I never have. They cannot quote that verse because it undermines the lie they believe. Instead they will teach...
Yet the Bible teaches...
Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
The truth stands in stark contrast to the lie.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
It is the doers of the word whose houses will stand. The workers of iniquity will perish.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
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Here is an excellent Bible study for those whom may be interested...
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBUqk7NYATI
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-X9MGU40jI
Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-X9MGU40jI
Here is a pastor from Australia who also upholds heart purity in salvation...
Pure Character Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXhGz6mvBOg
Pure Character Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z6C63jeseE
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBUqk7NYATI
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-X9MGU40jI
Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-X9MGU40jI
Here is a pastor from Australia who also upholds heart purity in salvation...
Pure Character Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXhGz6mvBOg
Pure Character Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z6C63jeseE
This is a prime example of the fact that you cannot read, nor understand English as MY OP never ONCE indicated a ONGOING LIFESTYLE SIN or UNRIGHTEOUSNESS....you like the few cronies you follow claim your own self righteousness, sinless lifestyles which is exactly the root behind the rebukes of Jesus directed at the Pharisees....no where have I ever written that we are to keep living in sin, live a lifestyle of sin, do what we want when we want, live like the devil and or any other like caliber of thought....
I really suggest you open your eyes to the truth.....and quit lying about what I teach and or promote which you have done by attributing (facts) that I have not presented!
Another groundless post.
The religious lie you uphold is so easy to demolish with what the Bible clearly teaches.
Your responses are predictable. People like you often resort to, "MY OP never ONCE indicated a ONGOING LIFESTYLE SIN or UNRIGHTEOUSNESS."
No you don't spell it out in such terms but the very fact that you promote "sin you will and sin you must" and COMPLETELY AVOID any reference whatsoever to "heart purity."
One the one hand you claim the sin never stops and then on the other hand you claim you never once indicate an ongoing lifestyle of sin. That is a contradiction.
You promote ongoing sin and try, in an absurd manner, to hide it via the employment of semantics such as the example quoted above. I suspect you are only really doing so in order to reinforce your own delusion as well as to receive pats on the back as some kind of support. I mean look at the tone of your posts, it is, "look at these people who claim to be walking in righteousness and not sinning every day in thought, word and deed, they are Pharisees. People like me who believe the sin never stops and trust in Jesus are the real Christians."
Have you ever considered the reality of many of the people who sit behind keyboards posting on bulletin boards? Think about it. Here you are attempting to defend ongoing wickedness as well as choosing to ignore any notion of heart purity.
Can you even type the term "heart purity" ?
Is it a scary term?
Would you care to discuss it?
Have you ever discussed heart purity in any post you have made on Christian forums?
If not why not? Is it not part of Christianity?
Jesus did not argue in favour of ongoing sinning. Jesus did not say anything close to an isolated 1Joh 1:8 and nor did John. That verse has a context and people like you ignore that context.
Heart purity? Write a paragraph on the term. I dare you.
The religious lie you uphold is so easy to demolish with what the Bible clearly teaches.
Your responses are predictable. People like you often resort to, "MY OP never ONCE indicated a ONGOING LIFESTYLE SIN or UNRIGHTEOUSNESS."
No you don't spell it out in such terms but the very fact that you promote "sin you will and sin you must" and COMPLETELY AVOID any reference whatsoever to "heart purity."
One the one hand you claim the sin never stops and then on the other hand you claim you never once indicate an ongoing lifestyle of sin. That is a contradiction.
You promote ongoing sin and try, in an absurd manner, to hide it via the employment of semantics such as the example quoted above. I suspect you are only really doing so in order to reinforce your own delusion as well as to receive pats on the back as some kind of support. I mean look at the tone of your posts, it is, "look at these people who claim to be walking in righteousness and not sinning every day in thought, word and deed, they are Pharisees. People like me who believe the sin never stops and trust in Jesus are the real Christians."
Have you ever considered the reality of many of the people who sit behind keyboards posting on bulletin boards? Think about it. Here you are attempting to defend ongoing wickedness as well as choosing to ignore any notion of heart purity.
Can you even type the term "heart purity" ?
Is it a scary term?
Would you care to discuss it?
Have you ever discussed heart purity in any post you have made on Christian forums?
If not why not? Is it not part of Christianity?
Jesus did not argue in favour of ongoing sinning. Jesus did not say anything close to an isolated 1Joh 1:8 and nor did John. That verse has a context and people like you ignore that context.
Heart purity? Write a paragraph on the term. I dare you.
