Baptismal Regeneration of Infants
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I guess anyone old enough can believe, but being in minestery is different.
Now the Levites were numbered from the age of thirty years and upward:
and their number by their polls, man by man, was thirty and eight thousand.
Now the Levites were numbered from the age of thirty years and upward:
and their number by their polls, man by man, was thirty and eight thousand.
From thirty years old and upward even unto fifty years old, every one that entereth into the service,
for the work in the tabernacle of the congregation:
you have to be able to count the cost before doing anything,
Jesus himself started his minestery at 30 years old
for the work in the tabernacle of the congregation:
you have to be able to count the cost before doing anything,
Jesus himself started his minestery at 30 years old
Balaam received the Spirit upon him, but wasn't saved at all..... explain.
John received the Spirit in the womb, thus the reaction of joy. But he had to keep the Law just like anybody else of his day.
One cannot be forgiven nor saved IF they are not first convicted of sin.
John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 3:2 (KJV) And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[HR][/HR]Mark 1:15 (KJV) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
You of all people knows what happens to a person who accepts Christ, yet NEVER repents of their sins..... nothing.
Sorry Bro, have to disagree on this one.
John received the Spirit in the womb, thus the reaction of joy. But he had to keep the Law just like anybody else of his day.
One cannot be forgiven nor saved IF they are not first convicted of sin.
John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 3:2 (KJV) And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[HR][/HR]Mark 1:15 (KJV) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
You of all people knows what happens to a person who accepts Christ, yet NEVER repents of their sins..... nothing.
Sorry Bro, have to disagree on this one.
Since Jesus went into the Jordan I highly doubt that John poured water on Him that could have been done anywhere.
Jesus said all righteousness had to be fulfilled Matt.3:15 By fulfillinf all righteousness our Lord meant the righteousness of obedience to the Mosaic Law. The Levitical law required all priests to be consecrated when they began to be about thirty years of age. It was an act of ceremonial righteousness appropriate to His office as prophet, priest and King, especially the second because His redemptive work is as the Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.
Jesus said all righteousness had to be fulfilled Matt.3:15 By fulfillinf all righteousness our Lord meant the righteousness of obedience to the Mosaic Law. The Levitical law required all priests to be consecrated when they began to be about thirty years of age. It was an act of ceremonial righteousness appropriate to His office as prophet, priest and King, especially the second because His redemptive work is as the Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.
Balaam received the Spirit upon him, but wasn't saved at all..... explain.
John received the Spirit in the womb, thus the reaction of joy. But he had to keep the Law just like anybody else of his day.
One cannot be forgiven nor saved IF they are not first convicted of sin.
John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 3:2 (KJV) And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[HR][/HR]Mark 1:15 (KJV) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
You of all people knows what happens to a person who accepts Christ, yet NEVER repents of their sins..... nothing.
Sorry Bro, have to disagree on this one.
John received the Spirit in the womb, thus the reaction of joy. But he had to keep the Law just like anybody else of his day.
One cannot be forgiven nor saved IF they are not first convicted of sin.
John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 3:2 (KJV) And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[HR][/HR]Mark 1:15 (KJV) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
You of all people knows what happens to a person who accepts Christ, yet NEVER repents of their sins..... nothing.
Sorry Bro, have to disagree on this one.
Yes, the Baptist lived before the cross, before Pentecost, still in the Age of the Tutor/law.
I fail to see what difference the law requirement would have since all in every age were justified by faith. That wouldn't prevent regeneration at a super young age.
Oic, what sin would baby John have to repent of? The sin of unbelief?
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All children are safe with God until they come to the age of accountability. That age varies from one child to the next, only God can make that judgment. When a child is at the age of accountability they have a capacity to understand, to receive or reject and they can agree or disagree. For parents or a family having their infant go through a ceremony of water baptism, that is not a surety or an absolute for regeneration. The child can have favor of God being brought up in the nurture and admonishing of the Lord, but there will come a time when accountability happens and they will come under conviction of the gospel. At that moment they will either receive or reject that conviction of the gospel and if received, they will be saved by grace through faith.
Letting the little children come unto the Lord in the church and work of the ministry is to have a place for children to learn about Christ and to draw them near the love, compassion and gentleness of the Lord. That will cultivate in them a capacity for Christ and the grace of God to the saving of their soul. Ministering to children is an important part of the church and family within the local church and without. It does no good to repudiate those who have been baptized as an infant, what is important is that they are followed up and cared for by the church and the families that make up the local assembly.
Psalm 68:6a, 107:4-9, 127:3
Letting the little children come unto the Lord in the church and work of the ministry is to have a place for children to learn about Christ and to draw them near the love, compassion and gentleness of the Lord. That will cultivate in them a capacity for Christ and the grace of God to the saving of their soul. Ministering to children is an important part of the church and family within the local church and without. It does no good to repudiate those who have been baptized as an infant, what is important is that they are followed up and cared for by the church and the families that make up the local assembly.
Psalm 68:6a, 107:4-9, 127:3
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Well he HAD to do this to fulfill all righteousness. It showed that Johns testimony was from heaven, it showed he would identify with sinners by our baptism with him and our raising from death into life, it showed the recognition of John confessing how he was the ONE to follow after John. It also showed that no matter what we think about Johns righteousness, John HIMSELF considered that he had to be baptized by Jesus.
Just because I say he Had to do this, didn't mean it was because of sin. That was specifically referring to the custom of being a child and brought to fulfill law, was just that, a custom, and that the pledging of a good conscious is what the repentance baptism is all about.
Just because I say he Had to do this, didn't mean it was because of sin. That was specifically referring to the custom of being a child and brought to fulfill law, was just that, a custom, and that the pledging of a good conscious is what the repentance baptism is all about.
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The apostle Paul warned, however, that eventually there would come a time “when people will not tolerate sound doctrine.” (2 Timothy 4:3, The New American Bible) After the apostles died and were no longer able to ‘act as a restraint,’ unscriptural practices began to creep into Christian worship. (2 Thessalonians 2:6) Among them was infant baptism. But infant baptism did not become the rule until the fifth century