Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

[JackH]

Would you be kind enough to rewrite your cryptic post so that it's plainly understandable to a general audience. I'm an intelligent guy; however, I have no desire to try and interpret anyone's personal cryptic conspiracy-speak.

This is even funnier the second time I read it.

As wincam's interpreter, I am happy to report that this is the conspiracy he is trying to convey:

Dr. Jerry Bergman wrote a book entitled Slaughter of the Dissidents.

All about the conspiracy of how real science has it out for squirrel bait like him.

Bergman is a lackey of ICR and AIG. He got his Ph.D. the same way Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) did, from an unaccredited correspondence school. That has since been shut down by the government and it moved its operation to Africa. So Bergman got fired and he sued. The court determined he was fired for misrepresenting his credentials, not for some conspiracy against YECs.

That's not exactly how wincam would tell it, but I'm sure you get the gist of what wincam was trying to distort the truth about, which is a typical YEC tactic.

 

[JackH]

What?, odd indeed.

You posted the above in response to my post: "And don't forget to reference major federal court decisions in your answer."

The subject was pseudoscience.

I suggest you review Kitzmiller v. Dover.

That federal court decision makes it rather clear what is pseudoscience.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Interesting. Something new for me to research. Thank you. I'll report back with my comments in due course.

Of course, not all YEC advocates play Jedi mind tricks. I know a few of those. One is a professor at a respected Christian university.

Though the position is untenable, in my opinion, and the number of YEC advocates who demonstrate real integrity is diminishing over time; it's always nice to meet Christians who demonstrate a real integrity whatever creation model they adhere to.

This is even funnier the second time I read it.

As wincam's interpreter, I am happy to report that this is the conspiracy he is trying to convey:

Dr. Jerry Bergman wrote a book entitled Slaughter of the Dissidents.

All about the conspiracy of how real science has it out for squirrel bait like him.

Bergman is a lackey of ICR and AIG. He got his Ph.D. the same way Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) did, from an unaccredited correspondence school. That has since been shut down by the government and it moved its operation to Africa. So Bergman got fired and he sued. The court determined he was fired for misrepresenting his credentials, not for some conspiracy against YECs.

That's not exactly how wincam would tell it, but I'm sure you get the gist of what wincam was trying to distort the truth about, which is a typical YEC tactic.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Bergman is a lackey of ICR and AIG. He got his Ph.D. the same way Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) did, from an unaccredited correspondence school. That has since been shut down by the government and it moved its operation to Africa. So Bergman got fired and he sued. The court determined he was fired for misrepresenting his credentials, not for some conspiracy against YECs.

The claim that Dr. Bergman's degree is a phony is an outright lie, and it should be noted that he has nine degrees, including seven post-graduate degrees. Dr Bergman is a graduate of Medical College of Ohio, Wayne State University in Detroit, The University of Toledo, and Bowling Green State University. He has over 800 publications in 12 languages and 20 books and monographs. He has also taught at the Medical College of Ohio where he was a research associate in the department of experimental pathology, and he also taught 6 years at the University of Toledo, and 7 years at Bowing Green State University.

These universities would not have hired him if, as "RationalWiki" has claimed, he was only degreed by Columbia Pacific, the unaccredited school from which he has a doctorate in human biology. Irrationally, "RationalWiki" chose not to list his degrees from the accredited institutions that I've named. Among other, allegedly "non-controversial" authors and researchers who have CPU degrees are John Gray, author of "Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus," and his former wife, Barbara De Angelis, Ph.D., author of many best selling self help books.

In fact, only in one other state besides California -- that being Oregon -- is the CPU degree not recognized. The California Supreme Court's decision to issue a "cease and desist" order against CPU appears to be the result of liberal bias against so-called "non-traditional" schools.

There is no proof that California found CPU to be a "degree mill" as your post would imply. California did not like the credit the school gave for prior research, education, and work experience, though it allows almost the exact same credit to be given within the state by the University of Phoenix and other correspondence schools. It was claimed in the C&D order that CPU did not have qualified faculty, but most of the faculty was as degreed and qualified as Bergman through other schools. CPU taught from a Christian perspective, which would explain California's bias.

You feel free to take issue, or as you have done up to this point, belittle the information. You will be no less dead wrong.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Yet another distortion of the truth and misrepresentation by a YEC.

The "moon rock" described in your article weighs 89 grams.

The four moon rocks officially given to the Dutch weigh a half gram in total.

Hello.

Read this:

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_lunar_sample_displays

Your link is broken. Here is the link: Netherlands lunar sample displays - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You will notice it also collaborates the fact that the US is officially handing out what is petrified wood to officials of other governments and claiming it to be moon rocks. One would think if they had actually been to the moon they would know the rocks they are giving out are from the moon. Alas, like all lies it is bursting under its own weight.

[video=youtube;GuwyY2DzO2I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuwyY2DzO2I[/video]

 

[JackH]

The claim that Dr. Bergman's degree is a phony is an outright lie

There is no proof that California found CPU to be a "degree mill" as your post would imply.

The California Deputy DA does not agree with you:

In the state's 1997 lawsuit to compel CPU to close, California Deputy Attorney General Asher Rubin called the correspondence school "a diploma mill which has been preying on California consumers for too many years" and "a consumer fraud, a complete scam". The suit also referred to Columbia Pacific University as a "phony operation" offering "totally worthless [degrees]...to enrich its unprincipled promoters".[SUP][7][/SUP]

Columbia Pacific University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JackH]

Your link is broken. Here is the link: Netherlands lunar sample displays - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You will notice it also collaborates the fact that the US is officially handing out what is petrified wood to officials of other governments and claiming it to be moon rocks. One would think if they had actually been to the moon they would know the rocks they are giving out are from the moon. Alas, like all lies it is bursting under its own weight.

[video=youtube;GuwyY2DzO2I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuwyY2DzO2I[/video]

I never believed Dr. Dino about the existence of aliens until now.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I never believed Dr. Dino about the existence of aliens until now.

No idea what Kent Hovind's opinion is on aliens, but semantically, yes, there are aliens. They just ain't made out of physical material like flesh and blood. Of course that's really not too much to wonder at since it has never been a secret.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I hadn't heard of Bergman nor the book 'Slaughter of the Dissidents'; however, it's important to note that the alleged bias isn't just alleged: it's a very real observable and quantifiable behavior the left (which dominates our public education system from pre-school to post-graduate research) engages in with impunity in Western Civilization at present. Interestingly, even liberal publications are now admitting it.

Examples abound. Here's a few random ones: https://www.insidehighered.com/news...ssors-already-liberal-have-moved-further-left and Liberal bias in academia is destroying the integrity of research | New York Post and How academia's liberal bias is killing social science, etc...

In the 20th century (e.g. last century), it is completely and fully documented that they went much farther under state atheistic, Marxist, Communism actually imprisoning non-atheistic intellectuals, scientists, researchers, teachers, etc... who did not fully embrace atheism and Darwinism in hard labor prison camps were many died.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Lol, it's weird that he would skip right over the information in my #598 post and continue stupidly forward after refutation. It's obvious the pot smoking uneducated lefty conspiracy crowd has no interest in the truth. They're as addicted to the adrenalin rush that chasing false conspiracies gives them as they are their drug(s) of choice. I suppose even fallacy can present as giving meaning to the lives of such people.

I never believed Dr. Dino about the existence of aliens until now.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Lol, it's weird that he would skip right over the information in my #598 post and continue stupidly forward after refutation. It's obvious the pot smoking uneducated lefty conspiracy crowd has no interest in the truth. They're as addicted to the adrenalin rush that chasing false conspiracies gives them as they are their drug(s) of choice. I suppose even fallacy can present as giving meaning to the lives of such people.

I read your post don't worry. Just didn't a see point in saying that you pretty much conceded that the US government did indeed officially give the Dutch government fake moon rocks. Then you go off on some tangent about how it be cheaper to fly to the moon to get real moon rocks instead of faking them, which is rather funny because the whole point is that they officially pretended that petrified wood was from the moon, and got caught.

Me thinking you gotta be smoking something more than weed to seriously think that man went to the moon. Don't trust NASA they be pagans, just look what they name stuff.

 

[JackH]

Among other, allegedly "non-controversial" authors and researchers who have CPU degrees are John Gray, author of "Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus," and his former wife, Barbara De Angelis, Ph.D., author of many best selling self help books.

So Barbara De Angelis got her Ph.D. from a Cracker Jack box just like Jerry Bergman and Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) did.

So they can put Dr. before their name or Ph.D. after it.

De Angelis writes books on love and relationships. She has been married at least 5 times. Yup, I'd be taking advice from her on love and relationships for sure.

Just like I'd be taking advice about dinosaurs coexisting with humans from somebody who starts his Ph.D. thesis with "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind."

 

[JackH]

Lol, it's weird that he would skip right over the information in my #598 post and continue stupidly forward after refutation. It's obvious the pot smoking uneducated lefty conspiracy crowd has no interest in the truth. They're as addicted to the adrenalin rush that chasing false conspiracies gives them as they are their drug(s) of choice. I suppose even fallacy can present as giving meaning to the lives of such people.

That's a typical YEC strategy.

Say something, get convincingly refuted, totally ignore the refutation, and keep on saying what you said before.

Not to mention that he should not be listening to his friend, the big invisible rabbit.

 

[kodiak]

That's a typical YEC strategy.

Say something, get convincingly refuted, totally ignore the refutation, and keep on saying what you said before.

Not to mention that he should not be listening to his friend, the big invisible rabbit.

this sounds so familiar. You have been ignoring your statement about being able to refute evidence. I have only seen the ad hominem attack on Jones.

You have heard of the boy who cried "Wolf!" too many times, right?

"Ad hominem! Ad hominem!"

See, I call it a "Credibility check" and you call it "Ad hominem."


I'll be back before the end of the day with why Jones is incorrect in his book.

And then it will be your turn.

I want to discuss Dr. Dino's (Kent Hovind) doctoral dissertation with you.

Yes the boy was wrong so many times, then he was actually right, but no one believed him because they stopped looking at the evidence...sounds familiar......When I have said ad hominem, I have been correct. It is a fallacy for a reason. So please discuss evidence and stop attacking people's credibility. Unless you can't disprove young earth.
I have told you before that I dont even know who dr dino is, I do not follow him. By the way, academic papers can't rely on Wikipedia.

 

[popeye]

this sounds so familiar. You have been ignoring your statement about being able to refute evidence. I have only seen the ad hominem attack on Jones.


Yes the boy was wrong so many times, then he was actually right, but no one believed him because they stopped looking at the evidence...sounds familiar......When I have said ad hominem, I have been correct. It is a fallacy for a reason. So please discuss evidence and stop attacking people's credibility. Unless you can't disprove young earth.
I have told you before that I dont even know who dr dino is, I do not follow him. By the way, academic papers can't rely on Wikipedia.

I'd bet money jack is an obama supporter.

His methods and passion is right out of saul alensky'e rules for radicals.

 

[JackH]

I'd bet money jack is an obama supporter.

His methods and passion is right out of saul alensky'e rules for radicals.

No, I'm not an Obama supporter.

You know why Obama is president, right?

The YECs got him elected.

Everybody knows that.

But did you know that Bill O'Reilly does not believe YEC?

 

[JackH]

So please discuss evidence and stop attacking people's credibility. Unless you can't disprove young earth.

I have told you before that I dont even know who dr dino is, I do not follow him. By the way, academic papers can't rely on Wikipedia.

Stop attacking people's credibility?

That's what it's all about, credibility.

Your sources, like Jack Chick and Dr. Floyd Jones, have very little credibility.

You still don't know who Dr. Dino is? Read his Ph.D. It starts with "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind." And goes straight downhill from there.

I didn't know I was writing an academic paper. Wikipedia is a better source than yours. Actually, I'm writing a book, I'm not citing Wikipedia, and in the book the world is not 6,000 years old.

You asked me what bible I used. I said NASB, KJV, NKJV et al. I asked you what bible you used. You didn't answer. I need this information before I critique Dr. Jones' book.

 

[kodiak]

Stop attacking people's credibility?

That's what it's all about, credibility.

Your sources, like Jack Chick and Dr. Floyd Jones, have very little credibility.

You still don't know who Dr. Dino is? Read his Ph.D. It starts with "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind." And goes straight downhill from there.

I didn't know I was writing an academic paper. Wikipedia is a better source than yours. Actually, I'm writing a book, I'm not citing Wikipedia, and in the book the world is not 6,000 years old.

You asked me what bible I used. I said NASB, KJV, NKJV et al. I asked you what bible you used. You didn't answer. I need this information before I critique Dr. Jones' book.

It isn't about credibility, it is about facts and evidence....You don't need to know what I do in order to discredit facts. Your goal is to use ad hominem. When you decide to discuss facts and evidence, instead of attacking people, let me know.

 

[JackH]

It isn't about credibility, it is about facts and evidence....You don't need to know what I do in order to discredit facts. Your goal is to use ad hominem. When you decide to discuss facts and evidence, instead of attacking people, let me know.

Yes, I do know what you do in order to discredit facts, or try to.

I'll prove it in my next post.

Do you think Dr. Floyd Jones is credible?

You are the one who brought him and his book up.

Again, what bible do you use?

I told you what bibles I use after you asked.

 

[JackH]

So you haven't heard of the pyramid found that dates back to the time of the dinosaurs? It was reported in a big newspaper in another Country. They say it was built by humans.....do you think the dinosaurs built it?

This is how you attempt to discredit facts.

You attempt to discredit the fact that dinosaurs never coexisted with humans by posting nonsense like this.

Where is your source for this information, which I asked you to provide more than once?