Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[SeaBass]

After reading everything SeaBass has written shows me that he really has no Faith in Jesus Christ and no Faith in the Gospel. He believes Faith in Jesus and Faith in the Gospel is not enough to receive or keep one's Salvation. SeaBass believes its by our "Works" that we have Faith in Jesus Christ. SeaBass believers its by our "Works" that we have Faith in the Gospel.

Once a person starts "Working" for Salvation they remove themselves from the gospel of grace. To receive salvation or maintain it by works is then mixing mans ability with God's.

Then the gospel, what SeaBass has done is said to be insufficient. SeaBass may not come right out and say this but in practice this is exactly what SeaBass is saying.

My faith in Christ is proven by my obedient works in doing His will...I will prove my faith by my works as James says.

Those with faith only (lack of works) have no way to prove they actually do have faith in Christ but can only claim they do...try to prove their faith without their works.

 

[SeaBass]

The Works are not of man but of GOD. No one can Save themselves. Now the process is GOD Revealing HIMSELF to mankind and through that man has Faith on the experience from what GOD has Revealed by HIS SPIRIT and by SPIRIT we are led. For without the SPIRIT of GOD there is no Salvation. Faith does not Save, again it is because we are Saved we have Faith.

Blessings! !!!!!!

Why did Peter tell his hearers to 'save yourselves" (Acts 2:40) and Paul tell Timothy to 'save thyself" (1 Tim 4:16) if man cannot save himself?


How does one cleanse himself (2 Cor 7:1) or purify his own soul (1 Pet 1:22) if one cannot save himself?

 

[JaumeJ]

It is impossible to be saved and not have works. The salvation of Jesus Christ produces work, beginning with a lifetime flow of thanksgiving, amen.

 

[Elin]

It is impossible to be saved and not have works. The salvation of Jesus Christ produces work, beginning with a lifetime flow of thanksgiving, amen.

Amen to that. . .

A saving faith always produces works of obedience in the born again.

 

[Elin]

Why did Peter tell his hearers to 'save yourselves" (Acts 2:40) and Paul tell Timothy to 'save thyself" (1 Tim 4:16) if man cannot save himself?


How does one cleanse himself (2 Cor 7:1) or purify his own soul (1 Pet 1:22) if one cannot save himself?

Setting the word of God against itself proves ipso facto that one misunderstands it,
for God does not contradict himself in his word written.

 

[Elin]

My faith in Christ is proven by my obedient works in doing His will...I will prove my faith by my works as James says.

Those with faith only (lack of works) have no way to prove they actually do have faith in Christ but can only claim they do...try to prove their faith without their works.

Half-baked. . .

Those in Mt 7:21-22 also had works. . .but their faith was counterfeit (Mt 7:23).

 

[Elin]

There is a public confession the sinner must make (Mt 10:32,33; ;Rom 10:9,10)
before he can be saved

Baloney. . .

the gift of salvation is by nothing but the grace of God through faith (Eph 2:8-9),
which itself is a gift (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3).

 

[Elin]

A dead faith is dead and remains dead until it is acted upon just as the devils' belief is dead and remains dead for they will not act upon it
by repenting confessing or submitting to baptism. Some here try to get one saved by a dead faith, he can do works after he is saved but he is initially saved by a dead faith...which is not possible.

Dead faith is no saving faith--only a counterfeit faith.

Man has no more power to make a counterfeit faith into saving faith than he has power to raise a dead body to life.

Saving faith is a gift of God (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3).

And that free gift by grace (Eph 2:8-9) produces obedience in those who are saved.

 

[Elin]

My simple question to you asked earlier that I did not see simple 'yes' or 'no' answer:

Simple question I have asked many times before:
can one "become a Christian" and not do good works yet be save anyway?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.

Yes. . .it's the same as "becoming a runner," having never ever run, and yet still being a runner anyway?

That's not so hard to understand. . .

Oops! . . .looks like I got that wrong. . .how did I miss that?

OXYMORON is the necessary result of his false gospel. . .

I asked can one become a Christian and never do good works yet be saved anyway.

You answered "yes" which contradicts passages as Eph 2:10; Mt 25:31-46.

One is not a runner who has never ran no more than one is a slave to righteousness who has never done any righteousness.

Yep. . .

Glad to see you finally got it.

 

[Elin]

Nope, believing, repenting, confession and submitting to baptism
are all works and you are struggling to find a way to get one saved BEFORE he does any of these works to protect the man-made teaching of faith only.

Not in the NT sense of the word "works" when used in regard to salvation.

That's the gospel according to SeaBass.

 

[KenAllan]

YES!

Look at the Thief on the cross next to Jesus Christ. He did no "Works" , he was NOT Baptized! But yet Jesus said he would be with Him! Jesus Himself said the thief was a True Christian! All the Thief did was believe Jesus was God and confessed that Jesus was God!

This is ALL that is needed to enter into Heaven! Otherwise if it was not then Jesus would have released the thief from the cross and sent him out to do "WORKS"!

 

[JaumeJ]

Believing Jesus Christ, having faith is considered righteousnes, which in turn is works. Faith cannot exist without works. Think about how it is taught us from the Word......

YES!

Look at the Thief on the cross next to Jesus Christ. He did no "Works" , he was NOT Baptized! But yet Jesus said he would be with Him! Jesus Himself said the thief was a True Christian! All the Thief did was believe Jesus was God and confessed that Jesus was God!

This is ALL that is needed to enter into Heaven! Otherwise if it was not then Jesus would have released the thief from the cross and sent him out to do "WORKS"!

 

[Elin]

Believing Jesus Christ, having faith is considered righteousnes, which in turn is works. Faith cannot exist without works. Think about how it is taught us from the Word......

Amen. . .faith is righteousness.

But it is not the works of faith which save (Eph 2:8-9).

 

[Jabberjaw]

There is a public confession the sinner must make (Mt 10:32,33; ;Rom 10:9,10)
before he can be saved

Baloney. . .

the gift of salvation is by nothing but the grace of God through faith (Eph 2:8-9),
which itself is a gift (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3).

So These verses are not true? just tear them out of the bible?

Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Pretty much makes confession of Lord Jesus "with the mouth" a requirement "unto salvation"

 

[notuptome]

So These verses are not true? just tear them out of the bible?

Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Pretty much makes confession of Lord Jesus "with the mouth" a requirement "unto salvation"

Pretty much what happens when you make a modern interpretation of the English translation of a Greek text.

One confesses to the Lord not to other men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jabberjaw]

Pretty much what happens when you make a modern interpretation of the English translation of a Greek text.

One confesses to the Lord not to other men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Note the translation to the word "unto" meaning that confession "alone" also will not save you, nothing "alone" will save you.

 

[know1]

Acts 26:20
No, because:
1) Paul was contrasting the physical birth to obedience to the Jews in Rom 10 and did not go into all the details of obedience.
2) one must examine "all the counsel of God" (Acts 20:27) when studying a subject as salvation. Very rarely does one or two verses tell us all there is to know about a topic, one must examine all verses that deal with that topic and Rom 10:9,10 does not tell all there is to know about salvation for there are many, many verses that deal with salvation that must be considered.

Too often some here on this forum will pull the phrases "not of works" (Eph 2:9) and "worketh not" Rom 4:5 completely out of thier contexts, then they want to isolate those two phrases from all other bible verses then wrongly declare salvation is not of works. When those verses are left in context with other bible passages one can see the "not of work" have to do with works of the OT law and trying to work to merit salvation and are not about obedience to God. Likewise one cannot pull Rom 10:9,10 out of context and isolate it from all other verses that deal with salvation.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

I don't know about you, but that's pretty clear English to me. And if I can't take it alone and run with it, then it is flat out a lie of the devil.
I state again, if this verse needs help from other verses of the bible to make it the whole council of God, then it is a lie, for it says, I shall be saved. Not maybe or might or if I am baptized or even if I repent. It is either the TRUTH AS IS, or it is a partial truth which constitutes it as a lie.

 

[know1]

Believing and confessing are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. The word of faith is in our heart and in our mouth - TOGETHER. So what you are saying is that we are not really saved through faith but saved by corresponding works which follow? In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body emits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not the works; rather, the life in faith is the source of the works. Notice in Ephesians 2:5 - even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved) 8 through faith, 9 not works 10 created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works. Notice which comes first. You have works as the cause of the new birth instead of the result of the new birth.

Most of what I wrote, you did not seem to understand, according to your interpretation.
What I have been saying the whole time is, believe and confess what you believe, when you believe.
Believe and confess, believe and confess.
Just like it is written.
Not weeks later.
How something so simple and easily seen can be missed and twisted by so many, boggles my mind.
It's using your faith to do the same things Jesus and the apostles did.
They cast out devils, healed the sick, cleansed the leapers, and raised the dead. All these things were done with God's word in faith. Even as Jesus' word was with power back then, His word is still just as powerful today, to those who speak it.
Salvation is done the same way all those works that Jesus and the apostles did, because faith works only one way, which is the same way Jesus used it.
Without works of faith, your faith is dead. It's just that simple, just like it's written.

 

[Atwood]

What do you mean by "salvation"?
Some are thinking about an award that follows some future judgment.
Others are thinking about obtaining a transformation of their wretched sinful self, transformation
from sinner to child of God, right now.

 

[Atwood]

For by grace you have been saved through faith,
& that not of yourselves,
not of works lest anyone should boast.
For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works.