Mike Bickle's "Israel Mandate"

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I for one don't discount the power of the Holy Spirit nor do I discount the authority of scripture. The anointing of the Holy Spirit and people being moved by it need to be held accountable by scripture. Otherwise you got people telling you that the Holy Spirit told you to tell them to drink cyanide laced cool aid out in the jungle with no avenue to refute it. The holy scriptures are a check and balance against that kind of nonsense that men drunk with thier own self importance will dream up.
I totally agree here sirk, which is why I told Peter, there is a balance between Word and Spirit.
 
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I totally agree here sirk, which is why I told Peter, there is a balance between Word and Spirit.
Joshua - ofcourse there is a balance between Word and Spirit, the Spirit has to agree 100% with the Word.

Let me put this plainly. If God appeared to you and said something, that is equivalent to scripture for you. Now if it is personal and everytime you do anything he has to guide you, that makes you a child following orders. But God does not work like this or desire it. He wants us to learn through our hearts and inspiration, guided by the Holy Spirit to decide what the right thing is to do.

Now heavenly portals, and getting a new heart from them, is an idea put forward by a "prophet". Reminds me of a Harry Potter idea, and wand law. A little step sideways and you could take communion for the washing of your sins and a weekly clean slate.

The link with behaviour, righteousness and love is crucial to everything in the gospel. But in much of the preaching and ideas this is lost, completely.

So where do you stand, because it appears to me, you are not sure anymore.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:6-10

One thing I feel above anything else is people want spiritual reality, but the lives they are living are just empty.
This is not about a failure of the gospel but a failure at emotional needs and honesty.
Using the Holy Spirit and super praise times has not changed the fundamental failure to address the need for change.

It is easy to deny the work of God in your heart, at any stage, but we all pay a price when you do.
 
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You speak of dead things with no understanding.

My last post in response to your thinly veiled mocking
Lol You hide your own emotions, and put people at a distance. You want to claim wisdom but contribute little.

I wonder what your conversion experience actually was? Would you like to give your testimony, because that might help me understand where you are coming from, because at present, I have no clue as to your offence, what upsets you or even any value to your mocking, as I am not sure you know what you are mocking.
 
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Joshua - ofcourse there is a balance between Word and Spirit, the Spirit has to agree 100% with the Word.

Let me put this plainly. If God appeared to you and said something, that is equivalent to scripture for you. Now if it is personal and everytime you do anything he has to guide you, that makes you a child following orders. But God does not work like this or desire it. He wants us to learn through our hearts and inspiration, guided by the Holy Spirit to decide what the right thing is to do.

Now heavenly portals, and getting a new heart from them, is an idea put forward by a "prophet". Reminds me of a Harry Potter idea, and wand law. A little step sideways and you could take communion for the washing of your sins and a weekly clean slate.

The link with behaviour, righteousness and love is crucial to everything in the gospel. But in much of the preaching and ideas this is lost, completely.

So where do you stand, because it appears to me, you are not sure anymore.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:6-10

One thing I feel above anything else is people want spiritual reality, but the lives they are living are just empty.
This is not about a failure of the gospel but a failure at emotional needs and honesty.
Using the Holy Spirit and super praise times has not changed the fundamental failure to address the need for change.

It is easy to deny the work of God in your heart, at any stage, but we all pay a price when you do.
If I need you input or help I will ask, you can stop you foolish psycho analyzing of me now. Your weak and lame attempts to analyze and label me failed.

Get a grip and go play Yoda with someone who you can manipulate.

Go paint you wagon on someone else, because I do not chase voices either.

All your "help" is really just a veil to attempt to discredit, character assassinate, mock and ridicule and then Lord yourself over and act as a savior for.

You aint my first rodeo bull Peter. I have been the rodeo clown for worse.
 
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Lol You hide your own emotions, and put people at a distance. You want to claim wisdom but contribute little.

I wonder what your conversion experience actually was? Would you like to give your testimony, because that might help me understand where you are coming from, because at present, I have no clue as to your offence, what upsets you or even any value to your mocking, as I am not sure you know what you are mocking.
Gotta love the contrite mask you put on when someone reads your mail
 
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
Oh, please do try to learn a few things. That verse has nothing to do with the book we call Bible.
 
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Oh, please do try to learn a few things. That verse has nothing to do with the book we call Bible.
Why don't you educate us instead of put us down in a backhanded way. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
 
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Why don't you educate us instead of put us down in a backhanded way. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
You have to be "educated" that the verse wasn't talking about a book?
 
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You have to be "educated" that the verse wasn't talking about a book?
Well willie. I guess you don't wanna play nice and that's fine. I'll bow out of this one. I think prett highly of you so I'll leave now so that doesn't change.
 
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Sirk, you act like this book was some great spiritual enactment that those guys at the Nicene meeting did by selecting certain writers to include, and others to exclude. I'm very serious here, I think it would blow your mind to actually spend a month, or so, studying the true historical facts behind how all the different and various assemblies of the many early scriptures came to be.
 
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Sirk, you act like this book was some great spiritual enactment that those guys at the Niceian meeting did by selecting certain writers to include, and others to exclude. I'm very serious here, I think it would blow your mind to actually spend a month, or so, studying the true historical facts behind how all the different and various assemblies of the many early scriptures came to be.

In the book Joshua it says..."this book of the law shall not depart from your mouth but you should meditate on it day and night say that you may be careful to do all that is written in it". What book of the law is it then? And if Jesus is the word and the word was Jesus what word is it? I'm being serious too. I'm not looking for a fight or argument. Tell me what it is that you need to tell me. I'm not gonna call you names or accuse you.
 
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In the book Joshua it says..."this book of the law shall not depart from your mouth but you should meditate on it day and night say that you may be careful to do all that is written in it". What book of the law is it then? And if Jesus is the word and the word was Jesus what word is it? I'm being serious too. I'm not looking for a fight or argument. Tell me what it is that you need to tell me. I'm not gonna call you names or accuse you.
There's so much to say, that it would take me a year to type it all out here in this medium.

Very seriously, a good, long, and deep study of just where and how the many "original" Bibles came to be would knock your socks off. Do you know the KJV that so many people revere actually had all the books of the Apocrypha in it when it was written..... but you won't find those books in any of our Protestant Bibles..... Why?

Did you know that when the Bible was compiled, the book of Revelation was NOT a part of it, at all? It took more than three centuries of fighting and arguing before that book was allowed to be included... and even now, few "liturgical" churches allow it to be read in their services.
 
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There's so much to say, that it would take me a year to type it all out here in this medium.

Very seriously, a good, long, and deep study of just where and how the many "original" Bibles came to be would knock your socks off. Do you know the KJV that so many people revere actually had all the books of the Apocrypha in it when it was written..... but you won't find those books in any of our Protestant Bibles..... Why?

Did you know that when the Bible was compiled, the book of Revelation was NOT a part of it, at all? It took more than three centuries of fighting and arguing before that book was allowed to be included... and even now, few "liturgical" churches allow it to be read in their services.
I'm familiar with some of it. I know there are other gospels floating around out there. It's a tangled web us humans weave no doubt. I'm not attacking you when I say that the word as it is in my bible is enough for this little brain to digest and I love it because God speaks to me thru it. I believe it to be the inspired word of God and that all that God wishes to reveal to us is contained therein. We can still be friends. I'm not insecure about what I just wrote.
 
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One of the ways we determine knowing them by their fruits and searching for signs of spiritual maturity beyond being as babe is admitting to even a small, tiny mistake.

it was 2 Tim 3.16-17 and not 1 Tim 3.16-17.

In your haste to prove a point you failed a very simple test.

Come to full age.
I submit for you my post #153

The authority of the NT lies with the men that wrote it, the apostles.

Paul quoted the gospel of Luke as "Scripture" (1Tim.5:18--Luke 10:7), Peter had a collection of Paul's "letters" (2Peter 3:16).

The apostles exhorted that their letters be read and circulated among the churches (Col. 4:16; 1Thess. 5:27, Rev. 1:3)

They seemed to have found value in the Bible.

You need to come to full age and accept the fact that some of the leaders of charismatic congregations are flat out liars when they say they have "new revelations" for the church.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Jude 3

There are no more revelations, we have all we need. The faith has an unchanging, and unchangeable content.
Where did I ever use 2 Tim 3.16-17 and not 1 Tim 3.16-17 as you say.

Seems like in your haste to prove me wrong, you failed a very simple test. You need to come to age and spiritual maturity beyond being as babe and admit you are wrong.

Oh, and by the way, 1Tim. 3 doesn't even have a (v.17)
 
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I'm familiar with some of it. I know there are other gospels floating around out there. It's a tangled web us humans weave no doubt. I'm not attacking you when I say that the word as it is in my bible is enough for this little brain to digest and I love it because God speaks to me thru it. I believe it to be the inspired word of God and that all that God wishes to reveal to us is contained therein. We can still be friends. I'm not insecure about what I just wrote.
And I will continue to try to get people to understand that those printed words are not all a hard, fast law we MUST abide by, or we will be out of God's will. Just the simple verse I keep bringing up, that no one seems to want to touch, Luke 14:26, will show you that.
 
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There's so much to say, that it would take me a year to type it all out here in this medium.

Very seriously, a good, long, and deep study of just where and how the many "original" Bibles came to be would knock your socks off. Do you know the KJV that so many people revere actually had all the books of the Apocrypha in it when it was written..... but you won't find those books in any of our Protestant Bibles..... Why?

Did you know that when the Bible was compiled, the book of Revelation was NOT a part of it, at all? It took more than three centuries of fighting and arguing before that book was allowed to be included... and even now, few "liturgical" churches allow it to be read in their services.
Do you know the KJV that so many people revere actually had all the books of the Apocrypha in it when it was written..... but you won't find those books in any of our Protestant Bibles..... Why?


Because Protestants didn't see them as inspired and they were originally between the Old and New Testaments of the KJV. The Waldenses said they read them for their historical value and not for any doctrinal value.
 
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And I will continue to try to get people to understand that those printed words are not all a hard, fast law we MUST abide by, or we will be out of God's will. Just the simple verse I keep bringing up, that no one seems to want to touch, Luke 14:26, will show you that.
As far as I am concerned I am free from law and live under grace. I get to have peace and I get to do things that please God because he has my best interest at heart. It is in my best interest to try to serve as Jesus did. There is no law in any of that.
 
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I submit for you my post #153



Where did I ever use 2 Tim 3.16-17 and not 1 Tim 3.16-17 as you say.

Seems like in your haste to prove me wrong, you failed a very simple test. You need to come to age and spiritual maturity beyond being as babe and admit you are wrong.

Oh, and by the way, 1Tim. 3 doesn't even have a (v.17)
Chica.
You're a woman, right?

Well, if you accept that the words of Paul in the Bible are an authority you are bound by, then you also know that you should only be discussing Spiritual matters like this with ONLY your husband. Paul actually said so. But are you going to take that as "authority?"
 
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Because Protestants didn't see them as inspired and they were originally between the Old and New Testaments of the KJV. The Waldenses said they read them for their historical value and not for any doctrinal value.
But they were given to the church in a book that you guys are insisting is "Authoritative." How can we say something is authoritative, yet say part of the original book we are revering didn't really come from God's inspiration?
 
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If I need you input or help I will ask, you can stop you foolish psycho analyzing of me now. Your weak and lame attempts to analyze and label me failed.
Jesus put it like this

Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Matt 12:30

Now you can say I have all these motives, but honestly I just follow Jesus and what he has done in my life. The rest is merely shadows from your past not mine. But the spiritual reality is if you cannot walk in the light as Jesus is in the light, then you are walking in darkness. That is not a place the Lord dwells or is part of His kingdom.

Jesus said this about what we should do

You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. Matt 4:14-16

Now please tell me where my mistake is, or where my criticsm has been wrong, or where I have judged harshly, or where I have sinned. If you cannot find fault in what I am saying, then it is not I who am wrong, but your conscience that is challenging you and the Holy Spirit is asking you about what and who you are.

What kind of child are you? I cannot answer but you do have a choice. May we glorify our Lord and Saviour and praise Him for his great love for us by dying so that we might be saved and know the grace he gives us day after day, Amen