Salvation Not Possible Without Works

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SeaBass

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Elin said:
The answer is yes. . .

like becoming a runner, having never ever run, and still being a runner anyway.

Or like you say that faith is a gift in that God allows us to have it. . .

so my paycheck is a gift in that my boss allows me to have it.
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God before ordained Christians to walk in good works so it is not possible for one to become or be a Christ without good works.

Mt 25 disciples were judged to be lost for lacking good works.

So your "yes" answer goes against bible teaching.
 
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mailmandan said:
We can't even boast about having faith because If the Father did not draw us (John 6:44) and enable us (John 6:65) we would never come to saving faith in Christ all by ourselves.
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So if one is an unbeliever and ends up lost, it is God's fault for failing to give him the gift of belief?
 
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Elin said:
He becomes a slave to it after he has received the gift of it (Ro 5:17).
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You are still trying to figure out a way to make one be a slave to some thing he has never done, be a slave to righteousness when he has never done any righteousness,,,,,which is not possible and leaves a big illogical flaw with the faith only theology.
 
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FancyNancy said:
Without having read the whole thread, I will register the opinion from the word of God that our salvation does not depend on our works, for we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, whose blood cleanses us of all sin.

Our works are the new natural byproduct of that faith. No genuine works that bring glory to God? Well, then, that faith can be held up to question. Other than that, there is no such thing as obedience gaining us salvation. Obedience is the result of our salvation, and our regeneration by the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
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Man's eternal destiny will depend on his works/deeds, Rom 2:6-11; Rev 20;12,13; 2 Cor 5:10.

So how can it ever be said that a man's work has nothing to do with his salvation or condemnation when those works are the very thing that will be used to determine one's eternal destiny?
 
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FancyNancy said:
Without having read the whole thread, I will register the opinion from the word of God that our salvation does not depend on our works, for we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, whose blood cleanses us of all sin.

Our works are the new natural byproduct of that faith. No genuine works that bring glory to God? Well, then, that faith can be held up to question. Other than that, there is no such thing as obedience gaining us salvation. Obedience is the result of our salvation, and our regeneration by the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
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Everyone seems to know that but one here. . .
 
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SeaBass said:
"Doing" is the opposite of "not of works".
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"Doing" = "works"

Not doing = "not of works"

More proof Eph 2:9 is pulled out of context and isolated from all other verses in trying to erroneously prove one does not have to "do" anything to be saved.
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SeaBass said:
Eoin said:
And God is the genesis of the gift of belief (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3).
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God does not determine for man, against man's will which men will believe and which one's will not. God does not will not have the moral culpability upon Him.
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Previously addressed. . .above.
 
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SeaBass said:
Mt 7:21 still says those that DOETH the will of the Father enter the kingdom. Mt 7:21 does not say "he that worketh not shall enter the kingdom of heaven".
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SeaBass said:
God before ordained Christians to walk in good works so it is not possible for one to become or be a Christ without good works.

Mt 25 disciples were judged to be lost for lacking good works.

So your "yes" answer goes against bible teaching.
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Previously addressed. . .
 
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SeaBass said:
You are still trying to figure out a way to make one be a slave to some thing he has never done, be a slave to righteousness when he has never done any righteousness,,,,,which is not possible and leaves a big illogical flaw with the faith only theology.
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Previously addressed. . .
 
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