Could Jesus have sinned?

[Sirk]

I think there is no way he could have sinned. He fully felt pain and temptation but God cannot sin.

 

[crossnote]

I think there is no way he could have sinned. He fully felt pain and temptation but God cannot sin.

You just don't listen do you

 

[p_rehbein]

Adam was not born either with a sinful nature yet he chose to sin against God. I understand what u attempting to say but just wanted to mention this.

Bad comparison. Adam was created.............Jesus IS. (unless you question His Deity)

 

[atwhatcost]

Adam was not born either with a sinful nature yet he chose to sin against God. I understand what u attempting to say but just wanted to mention this.

This is what I was going to say to you. Yeah, Jesus was like Adam. (I think one of his titles is "Second Adam.") He wasn't born with a sin nature, but, unlike Adam, he also didn't sin. He coulda. He didn't.

 

[atwhatcost]

Actually, I think many of us are falling for the same trap. "Could" means either "able" or "possible." Was Jesus able? Yes. Did he possibly sin? If he did sin, then he wasted a lot of time and effort to come to earth, get born, grow up, work, learn, and do all the other stuff humans do but never accomplish his objective -- to die as a sinless man on the behalf of whosoever will believe. So, yes, able, but no, never did, and it would have been against his mission to do so.

 

[oldhermit]

This verse is not talking about God would chasten Jesus with the rod of man,
if Jesus sinned all would have died in our sins and all been lost.

David succeeded Saul. David sat on the Eternal’s throne. David’s son Solomon succeeded him,
also sitting on the Eternal’s throne.(1 Chronicles 29:23;2 Chronicles 9:8).

2 Samuel 23:1, 5,“Now these be the last words of David."God hath made with me
an everlasting covenant,ordered in all things, and sure” 2 Samuel 7:4-5,12-16

12And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee,
which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

“Then Solomon sat on the throne of the [Eternal] as king instead of David his father”

David’s throne was set up and established [with Solomon],16)
—was established forever in Solomon (verse 13)

King Solomon built the temple, the house for God

“I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, Thy seed
will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations” (Psalm 89:3-4).

-all generations

What if Solomon, or the children of Israel, disobey? God will chasten them
with the rod of men, but will not break this covenant.

No, he is very selective in the way he says this. "If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him." "Commit" is active participation that would bring retribution. The "If" suggests the possibility. The certainty of the promises is grounded in the fact that he knew he would not sin even when the possibility was there.

 

[PeterJens]

For me Jesus was making a point. Walking without sin is possible, within the constraints of mortality. The answer is communion with the Lord, bowing to His will rather than ones own. And the power which drives this ability, love.
Jesus came to show love, to save people, to build a kingdom. The temptations where about the nature of this relationship.
God provides security. God provides sustenance. God provides power and authority.

Ofcourse Jesus could have sinned, but that would have denied everything He came to do. Why would He sin, it would loose him everything and gain Him nothing. But this only was true if you looked at things from the Fathers perspective rather than being out for a jolly, why not enjoy yourself. Surely the end justifies the means.

If christians dominate the world does that not bring heaven to earth? Look what power did to the church, nothing but grief and torture, heresy, and lostness.

 

[Lifetrack]

For me Jesus was making a point. Walking without sin is possible, within the constraints of mortality. The answer is communion with the Lord, bowing to His will rather than ones own. And the power which drives this ability, love.
Jesus came to show love, to save people, to build a kingdom. The temptations where about the nature of this relationship.
God provides security. God provides sustenance. God provides power and authority.

Ofcourse Jesus could have sinned, but that would have denied everything He came to do. Why would He sin, it would loose him everything and gain Him nothing. But this only was true if you looked at things from the Fathers perspective rather than being out for a jolly, why not enjoy yourself. Surely the end justifies the means.

If christians dominate the world does that not bring heaven to earth? Look what power did to the church, nothing but grief and torture, heresy, and lostness.

I totale agree with you and if we stay in Him there is no sin we would choose, sounds great, only He did not die because we can do it just like that, we needed Him to repent for our sins and overcome dead so that the H.Spirit could come upon us becourse whe are weak.

 

[Richie_2uk]

Could Jesus have sinned? The bible says he was tempted in all points yet without sin (Heb.4.15) The bible says he lived a sinless. Was it an impossibility for him to sin or could he have sinned given that he was man? Some believe that Jesus could have sinned as he was MAN while others hold the view that he could not have sinned given he was GOD.
Repeatedly, Jesus said he came not to do his Will but the Will of his father (Jn 5.19, 8.28). Does Jesus have a will of his own n so if HE followed his own way would of sinned?

What's your thoughts?

When Jesus lived on earth, yes He could of sinned. But he didn't. Why? because Sin can't enter heaven. Sin has no place in heaven. So if Jesus did sin on earth, he would not be able to go back to heaven when he died on the cross. But yes he could of sinned if he wanted to by his free will. But he didn't and couldn't, and wouldn't. Well think about it? Who is God? Jesus right? Well why would he send his son, to died for our sins, if he was to commit sin himself? that would not defeat his goals to save you or mankind right?

However, when Adam was created, he was created in a way perfect. However God gave him a gift of free will followed by one rule and that is to not eat of the fruit of the tree. Adam used his free will wrongly, and sin was born. Not to mention at that time, God was having problems himself regarding Lucifer being thrown out of heaven the same time God gave Adam his free will. Lucifer then named, used that opportunity to cause chaos and more trouble to turn God's creation against God. Although its partly Lucifer then named but now we call Satan fault, its part Adam's fault too, for not being wise to his free will. God didn't want us to be like Robots. he wanted us to think for ourselves use the free will rightly.

I'm sure Jesus had a will of his own, but he used it wisely, but most importantly, he followed God's will, his father's will was right. Otherwise why would Jesus be sent to earth to die for us in the first place. It's to try show people that there is a way out. And if Jesus Did sin, you think he would be allowed back in heaven? Where sin has no place?

 

[p_rehbein]

Here is an Article I found that might help............or not, depending on ones view I suppose.

(excerpt)

The question that comes up and has been wrestled with through the centuries is if Jesus could not sin how could he be truly human? On the other side if Jesus could have sinned, how could he be truly God. This is why 1 Tim. 3:16 states, "Great is the mystery of Godliness, God was manifested in the flesh." Since Jesus did not come through the normal means of conception he had no sin nature. Yet he was fully human, feeling the emotions we do, his body got tired, he became hungry and needed sleep just like anyone else. Jesus although fully human was not in the same category as man with a sin nature, although he looked like any other He alone was without sin. At his baptism he was anointed with the fullness of the Holy Spirit and was immediately led into the wilderness. The Temptation was God's idea, not the devils for it was the Holy Spirit that lead him into the wilderness and to fast. He was then tempted by the devil to keep him from the cross. his purpose in the temptation was to cause him to sin and offer him a short cut to his goal as the Messiah. God's purpose was prove he was indeed the Son of God. The devil tempted him in three frontal attacks to disqualify him from being the savior. Each time he questioned Jesus "if you are the son of God."

(found here)

[h=3]Could Christ have Sinned? - Let Us Reason[/h]

 

[Utah]

Originally Posted by seed_time_harvest
You can't Be 100% man and not be able to sin.

You really should be a little more careful about the way you talk about Christ
lest the hapless day arrives when you are forced to eat your words.

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You lost me on this one. Seed Time said nothing derogatory about the Lord but rather he praises Jesus with the above words. I don't understand your comment.

 

[Utah]

I think there is no way he could have sinned. He fully felt pain and temptation but God cannot sin.

Now you have me thinking . . . and that's dangerous.

Jesus fully felt pain and temptation but could not sin. He felt the temptation which means He understands temptation, thus His loving desire to cleanse us from our weakness.

I'm going to ponder this.

 

[Lifetrack]

Now you have me thinking . . . and that's dangerous.

Jesus fully felt pain and temptation but could not sin. He felt the temptation which means He understands temptation, thus His loving desire to cleanse us from our weakness.

I'm going to ponder this.

I'm really not sure of this, i think He could sin, just made the choice He would not, so that's why He did fully understand what we've gone true. After all He was fully human to.

 

[oldhermit]

I'm really not sure of this, i think He could sin, just made the choice He would not, so that's why He did fully understand what we've gone true. After all He was fully human to.

I do not understand what the problem is with this. Since scripture expressly tells us he could have sinned that should settle the matter.

 

[Sirk]

I do not understand what the problem is with this. Since scripture expressly tells us he could have sinned that should settle the matter.

If God transcends time and tomorrow is His today....how could He have sinned? This makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

 

[Rosesrock]

Um....ok so trinity wise God, perfect= no sin
Jesus, all forms of human=could have, tempted to, but didn't

 

[oldhermit]

If God transcends time and tomorrow is His today....how could He have sinned? This makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

Well, I do not claim to understand all of the ramifications of such a possibility. All I can do is believe what 2 Samuel 7:14 says about it and take solace in the fact that in spite of the possibility he did not sin. As God he could not sin. As man he could have. We also know that God can not be tempted with evil but Jesus was tempted in an extraordinary way. The text is a Messianic text that is quoted by the Hebrew writer so there is no question that the text is pointing to Jesus.

 

[Lifetrack]

I do not understand what the problem is with this. Since scripture expressly tells us he could have sinned that should settle the matter.

So i tough it to be true, why not give the verse to help if you know, i'm never to old for learning.

 

[prove-all]

Well, I do not claim to understand all of the ramifications of such a possibility. All I can do is believe what 2 Samuel 7:14 says about it and take solace in the fact that in spite of the possibility he did not sin. As God he could not sin. As man he could have. The text is a Messianic text that is quoted by the Hebrew writer so there is no question that the text is pointing to Jesus.

I believe Samuel 2 is talking about David’s son Solomon succeeding him,
also sitting on the Eternal’s throne.(1 Chronicles 29:23;2 Chronicles 9:8).

not about Jesus at all

 

[oldhermit]

So i tough it to be true, why not give the verse to help if you know, i'm never to old for learning.

The text is 2 Samuel 7:14, "I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:" I posted it in an earlier post.