Pride goes before destruction
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Dear Kenneth:
Also, as for being a slave to sin. Well, serial killers have been known to sometimes kill on just occasion. Does that mean they are not really a serial killer because they do not do it all the time?
Now, it is true, God's grace is there for the person who struggles with sin and or for the person who sins on occasion. But God's grace is not for those who think they can get away with sin either habitually or on occasion. For to say that one will never be able to stop sinning is to give into defeat to sin that it has dominion over you. It is making an allowance or an excuse for sin. It is having the wrong mindset or attitude about sin. A believer should always strive to put sin out of their life and they have to believe God will deliver them from their sin. Why? Because the Scriptures say that sin shall not h ave dominion over you. For whether you sin alot or a little on occasion, if one believes they will forever sin at some point, then sin does indeed have dominion over that person.
Also, as for being a slave to sin. Well, serial killers have been known to sometimes kill on just occasion. Does that mean they are not really a serial killer because they do not do it all the time?
Now, it is true, God's grace is there for the person who struggles with sin and or for the person who sins on occasion. But God's grace is not for those who think they can get away with sin either habitually or on occasion. For to say that one will never be able to stop sinning is to give into defeat to sin that it has dominion over you. It is making an allowance or an excuse for sin. It is having the wrong mindset or attitude about sin. A believer should always strive to put sin out of their life and they have to believe God will deliver them from their sin. Why? Because the Scriptures say that sin shall not h ave dominion over you. For whether you sin alot or a little on occasion, if one believes they will forever sin at some point, then sin does indeed have dominion over that person.
First, most people here voted in the poll that they can die in unrepentant sin such as lying, lusting after women, and hating and still be saved. Second, I have talked with people both online (TOL) and in person who have admitted that they can do really bad and evil things and still be saved while doing so.
K
No it does not give them the green light that it is okay to do that Jason, so please stop because you are digging yourself further in a hole of passing false accusations.
The problem you have is thinking that a person who goes this far to where they feel there is no way out are still in their right mind frame to discern right from wrong. Depression is a serious illness that takes a hold of a person with a very strong grasp.
Yet a good majority of those who commit suicide do ask for forgiveness in the process when they go this far.
So again do some intense studying on illnesses such as depression before you just up and condemn these people, and again take the mercy and forgiveness out of the Lord's hands and place it in yourself.
You completely misunderstand that scripture of the body being the temple, as the body is made up of all believers in the church.
This is not to be taken as each individual person, as defile the temple means those who come into the body of believers for the sole purpose of teaching heresy to draw people away from the truth. Jesus is speaking of the spirit of antichrist here that sneak in to deceive the body of believers.
If you take this as each individual then you are still condemning those that get tattoo's, and once again make forgivable sins unforgivable.
No Jesus was not just referring to blasphemy, notice the conjunction there "and"......
He is not saying all sin of blasphemy, but said all sin and blasphemy both will be forgiven. He only excluded one sin from that list and that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Sorry you can not clearly see that and want to continue to make sins that are forgivable to be unforgivable. Whatever you will have to answer to the Lord for this when He asks why you did not have forgiveness or mercy toward these people as He commanded !!! I see where your issue is though and that is you want to change the conjunction word "and" to the word "if" in that scripture. Changing the word of God is very dangerous !!!
K
Stop forgetting the whole concept of repentance and confession !!!!
You want a black or white answer; To you either one is perfect and never sins = salvation........Or they sin, even here or there = condemnation
Your whole concept even though you mention repentance and confession, voids the concept of it.
A serial killer is still slave to sin even if there murders come sparatically, because they never have any repentance or sorrow in them. So once again your debate is flawed in the example you give!!!
But even so if you want to mention a serial killer, lets break it down to how the bible would handle this;
A serial killer spends 25 years killing people and over that time span ends up having 12 victims. After those 25 year killing spree ended and sometime in the future after that something happened to bring them to God, rather it be life in prison, the thought of being put to death, or whatever that brings them to feel true sorrow for what they have done and repented of their lifestyle. They will be forgiven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
K
Well Reborn that is what you and others have been taught down the line by the elders in the churches you guy's belong to by just pulling a few verses out of the bible to support this doctrine that did not and was not taught in the early church.
There are way to many scriptures that when all of God's word is put into proper context they totally dismiss OSAS.
I have mentioned James 5:19-20 a lot on here as well as others have, and it continually gets rejected by the OSAS supporting crowd. Some of you have even tried to twist it and make it say something else, so I went and posted exactly how the Greek word psuche is used in this verse from the Strong's and Thayer's Greek study guides. It shows this passage is speaking of saving the soul from eternal death !!!
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I did answer you. You are under the assumption that I need to go to an OSAS church (Which is what most churches today believe). However, do you not know that narrow is the way that leads unto life and few be there that find it?
Also, you assume that command applies to going to an actual church building when that is clearly not what it is talking about in regards to fellowship (Because no actual churches that we have today existed back then). In other words, what I am trying to say is that you cannot fellowship be with other believers in a home or online or at work?
You seem to be under the view that the church buildings of today existed back then and that believers did not meet up in people's homes and on missionary journies together.
Also, you assume that command applies to going to an actual church building when that is clearly not what it is talking about in regards to fellowship (Because no actual churches that we have today existed back then). In other words, what I am trying to say is that you cannot fellowship be with other believers in a home or online or at work?
You seem to be under the view that the church buildings of today existed back then and that believers did not meet up in people's homes and on missionary journies together.
Okay, so a Christian can be serial killer who kills on occasion as long as they confess?
I am not doubting that serial killers can be forgiven of their killings. But if they are a believer (and they have not been captured by the Law) and they keep killing (even on occasion), have they truly repented?
I am not doubting that serial killers can be forgiven of their killings. But if they are a believer (and they have not been captured by the Law) and they keep killing (even on occasion), have they truly repented?
K
Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Christ of no effect = No remission of sins
Fallen from grace = Not under God's grace
The Galatians left God's grace to go back to being justified by the law.......................
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Christ of no effect = No remission of sins
Fallen from grace = Not under God's grace
The Galatians left God's grace to go back to being justified by the law.......................
K
Around and around we go !!!
You are referring to habitual sinning, as if a person keeps doing it with no repentance or no true repentance then they are in habitual sin.........................................
The whole concept of 1 John 2:1 is about future sins committed by a believer, that when confessed the advocate our Lord Jesus Christ will forgive them. Do not take 2:1 out of the equation !!!
This does not give a free reign to sin then confess then sin again, but it does do as I have said previously that if a believer does stumble and confess they will be forgiven rather you like it or not.
And Lord Jesus made a showing that you can not put a limit on how many times this is acceptable, so you can not say well this person did it 5 times so they are saved but this person did 25 so they are not saved. Jesus put a unreachable number on times repentance can be made.
How is it a false accusation if you believe a person can be saved and still commit suicide? Are you saying you don't believe that now? Cannot someone misunderstand you when you say this and do the wrong thing because of this belief?
That is not true repentance. One cannot do a particular sin while asking to be forgiven of it. That could mean we can do any kind of sin we like as long as we ask for forgiveness for it during the act. I mean, is an axe murder truly sorry when he says to God that he seeks to be forgiven as he chops off someone's head? No.
No, you are looking at the worldy explanation and not what God's Word says. Suicide is a sin that you cannot repent of (If you stay dead).
No way. This is what the passage says,
"Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man defiles the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are."
In other words, the context is the Spirit of God dwelling in a person and we are not to destroy the temple in which he lives in.
I am not sure if tattoos actually decreases a person's life expectancy. But if it came to a point where by doing so did threaten their life and or put it at risk (Whereby they didn't care if it did), then I would see this as a problem. But as a general rule: I do not see the painting of gang signs on one's Temple as being the same as taking a sludge hammer or a tank and trying to knock the temple down.
We know the Bible cannot contradict itself. If we know that a person cannot repent of suicide and they stay dead, they cannot be forgiven of such a sin, then we know that the passage you are talking about is not in reference to "all" sin on an exhaustive scale. Jesus was referencing sin in general. If Jesus were to also bring up suicide, it would have confused the issue or point he was trying to make in regards to blasphemy.
That is not true repentance. One cannot do a particular sin while asking to be forgiven of it. That could mean we can do any kind of sin we like as long as we ask for forgiveness for it during the act. I mean, is an axe murder truly sorry when he says to God that he seeks to be forgiven as he chops off someone's head? No.
No, you are looking at the worldy explanation and not what God's Word says. Suicide is a sin that you cannot repent of (If you stay dead).
No way. This is what the passage says,
"Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man defiles the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are."
In other words, the context is the Spirit of God dwelling in a person and we are not to destroy the temple in which he lives in.
I am not sure if tattoos actually decreases a person's life expectancy. But if it came to a point where by doing so did threaten their life and or put it at risk (Whereby they didn't care if it did), then I would see this as a problem. But as a general rule: I do not see the painting of gang signs on one's Temple as being the same as taking a sludge hammer or a tank and trying to knock the temple down.
We know the Bible cannot contradict itself. If we know that a person cannot repent of suicide and they stay dead, they cannot be forgiven of such a sin, then we know that the passage you are talking about is not in reference to "all" sin on an exhaustive scale. Jesus was referencing sin in general. If Jesus were to also bring up suicide, it would have confused the issue or point he was trying to make in regards to blasphemy.
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