Why do cults appeal to some seekers?

sparkman · Jun 21, 2015

You didn't answer my question. Do any non-Sabbathkeepers currently possess salvation?

Do you belong to one of these Armstrongite organizations?

Organizations which came from Armstrongism and teach elements of his heresy include The Philadelphia Church of God (Gerald Flurry), The Restored Church of God (David Pack), Living Church of God (Roderick Meredith), Intercontinental Church of God (Garner Ted Armstrong), United Church of God, Church of God's Faithful (Robert G. Ardis), Independent Church of God (Ronald Dart), Church of God, An International Community (David Hulme), Christian Biblical Church of God (Fred Coulter), The Church of God - PKG (Ron Weinland), House of Yahweh (Yisrayl Hawkins), God's Church, Worldwide (David Moore), Church of God - A Faithful Flock (Alton Billingsley), and Church of God - A Worldwide Organization.

prove-all · Jun 21, 2015

sparkman said:

actualy it was a roman emperor who was [worshiped as a god] made law in the roman kingdom,

and again sundaylaw is inforce in the roman kingdom today, in europe now.

when rome and the cathloc gets together they are called the holy roman empire

The Catholic Encyclopedia reported:

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this tranference
of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

cathloc church takes its mark from rome, the beast of Danial and other bible places listed.

history does not lie, this union has spilled blood by the gallons, in name or religion.

unholy roman empire union

1st resurrection - Justinian in 554AD. the pope recognized him as the supreme religious leader.
2nd resurrection - Charlemagne crowned by the pope in 800AD.
3rd resurrection - Otto the Great crowned by the pope in 962AD.
4th resurrection - Charles V crowned by the pope in 1520AD.
5th resurrection - Napoleon crowned by the pope in 1805
6th resurrection - Hitler/Mussolini empowered by Pope Pius XII.

7th resurrection - forming in Europe now.

sparkman · Jun 21, 2015

Christians obey the commandments that apply to THEM, not the ancient nation of Israel. We are not under the Old Covenant.

I have provided proofs of that.

Regarding Matthew 5:17-19, here is a thread where I explain those verses.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/115415-matthew-5-17-19-sabbathkeeping-claims.html

I have explained most of the assertions that Sabbathkeepers use in their arguments. Their theology is based on taking verses out of context, and a false view of church history.

prove-all said:

prove-all · Jun 21, 2015

sparkman said:

and where would I have denyed the Christianity of non-Sabbathkeepers on this forum?

mabe if you would have answered my many questions you dodge in other threads.

prove-all · Jun 21, 2015

prove-all said:

p.s. I did answer in another thread.

sparkman · Jun 21, 2015

This is your distortion of history. It's all fairy tales created by Sabbatarians.

The transition from Saturday to Sunday took place in about AD 90 because Jews forced Christians out of the synagogue. Prior to that, they were attending services on the Sabbath in the synagogue to hear the Scriptures read and met by themselves to discuss them from a Christian context on Sunday. This was necessary because they didn't have private Scriptures then.

For most Christians, they were already observing Sunday long before Constantine's edict.

prove-all said:

sparkman · Jun 21, 2015

Answer the question. You are evading it. Do any non-Sabbathkeepers possess salvation?

prove-all said:

sparkman · Jun 21, 2015

I didn't answer your questions on other threads in some cases because you keep posting the same statements. I put you on ignore as a result.

In addition, most of "questions" are statements you are making and some of them aren't even coherent.

sparkman · Jun 21, 2015

Regarding the Roman Catholic remarks, they claim a lot of things, including that Peter was the first Pope. Just because they claim something doesn't mean it's true.

PoetMary · Jun 21, 2015

Just FYI, Spong is no longer a bishop. He retired in 2000.

Chica said:

There are men in the pulpit that are atheists. Spong is an example of a heretic: Bishop Spong is well known for ordaining practising homosexuals, denying the bodily resurrection and virginal conception of Christ, and for deriving his moral code from modern human experience rather than the Bible. He believes Jesus was adopted by God!

What's Wrong With Bishop Spong? - creation.com

BettyAnn · Jun 21, 2015

PoetMary said:

Yeh,the article mentioned he was already retired. I love when sources make later updates for clarification, wish media in general would do that

sparkman · Jun 21, 2015

prove-all, do you acknowledge that some non-Sabbathkeepers are saved?

Acknowledging this would indicate to me that you don't follow the teachings of an Armstrongite cult.

Evading the question is an indication that you do follow one of them. I think you owe it to fellow forum members to let them know that you hold their faith in derision, and that they are following a counterfeit version of Christianity. You've already admitted that in the previous posts anyways. You might as well say it plainly.

prove-all · Jun 21, 2015

sparkman said:

Re: Hebrews 4:9 and the Real "Sabbath" - Jesus
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sparkman said:

-I backed up my claimes on this thread , reputing your view

you would be in error claiming Jesus was talking to the o.t. jews,.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ews-4-9-real-sabbath-jesus-3.html#post2121715
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When did Christ fulfill the Law?He fulfilled the Law, as well as the prophecies concerning him,
at the Cross. Christ fulfilled all God gave him to do on the first trip, and that task was finished,

so you say all prophecies fulfilled by Jesus nothing left?
so nothing concerning about his second comming, 1000 year rein,
so there is no day of the lord to come, no tribulation,
so nothing wrighten about satan being locked up, thats done?

all those prophecies concerning his second comming have not been fulfilled, also.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ews-4-9-real-sabbath-jesus-3.html#post2121670
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http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ews-4-9-real-sabbath-jesus-3.html#post2121176
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http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ews-4-9-real-sabbath-jesus-2.html#post2117200
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http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ews-4-9-real-sabbath-jesus-2.html#post2117189
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http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ews-4-9-real-sabbath-jesus-2.html#post2117179
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http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ews-4-9-real-sabbath-jesus-2.html#post2117173

prove-all · Jun 21, 2015

sparkman said:

prove-all, do you acknowledge that some non-Sabbathkeepers are saved?

Acknowledging this would indicate to me that you don't follow the teachings of an Armstrongite cult.

Evading the question is an indication that you do follow one of them. I think you owe it to fellow forum members to let them know that you hold their faith in derision, and that they are following a counterfeit version of Christianity. You've already admitted that in the previous posts anyways. You might as well say it plainly.

again i answered it before, mabe if you where reading my posts and not on ignore, you would have seen

prove-all · Jun 21, 2015

sparkman said:

Antiquity of the Roman Mass(easter) why cathlic church celebrates it,
and the easter tradation they made

It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Caesar ruled the world
and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together
before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God.

the (un)holy roman empire union made easter to celebrate a pagon day,
they celebrated long before Jesus was begotten and sired by God.
and forced the world to accept it.

sparkman · Jun 21, 2015

prove-all, in my mind Armstrongites shouldn't criticize Roman Catholicism so much..Armstrong was nothing more than the equivalent of the Pope.

He claimed to be God's sole representative on earth, and that God only communicated authoritatively through him, as well as claiming that he was an Apostle on the same level as the 12 apostles and Paul. He also claimed to be the Elijah to come.

He paid himself a better salary than most of the abusive televangelists get, and lived in a mansion and was driven around in Rolls Royces. All of this while some poorer members struggled on an income that was reduced by 23% of gross income due to triple tithing. Somehow, though, the church managed to buy a corporate jet out of funds that were given for the poor and needy.

It's no wonder that you have so many guys scrambling around claiming his "mantle"...it's very profitable.

sparkman · Jun 21, 2015

prove-all said:

See the comments below this thread.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-17-sabbath-festival-new-moon-observance.html

prove-all · Jun 21, 2015

sparkman said:

so now history books are distorted, go bing The Holy Roman Empire , or those roman gods they called ceasers

prove-all · Jun 21, 2015

The last seven heads, or resurrections, were prophesied to be guided by a great church.

That is how church and state get the name “Holy” Roman Empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Emperor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_of_the_Holy_Roman_Emperor

1st resurrection of the roman empire

Justinian in 554AD. the pope recognized as the supreme religious leader and empowered him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justinian_I
Justinian the Great, was a Byzantine (East Roman) emperor from 527 to 565. During his reign,
Justinian sought to revive the empire's greatness and reconquer
the lost western half of the historical Roman Empire.

The cognomen Iustinianus which he took later is indicative of adoption by his uncle Justin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognomen

2nd resurrection - Charlemagne crowned by the pope in 800AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
Charlemagne reached the height of his power in 800 when he was crowned "emperor"
by Pope Leo III on Christmas Day at Old St. Peter's Basilica.

Called the "Father of Europe", Charlemagne united most of Western Europe
for the first time since the Roman Empire.

3rd resurrection - Otto the Great crowned by the pope in 962AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
Otto I (23 November 912 – 7 May 973), also known as Otto the Great, was German king
from 936 and emperor of the Holy Roman Empire from 962 until his death in 973.
Following the example of Charlemagne's coronation as "Emperor of the Romans"
in 800, Otto was crowned Emperor in 962 by Pope John XII in Rome.

4th resurrection - Charles V crowned by the pope in 1520AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

5th resurrection - Napoleon crowned by the pope in 1805
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_of_Napoleon_I

6th resurrection - Hitler/Mussolini empowered by Pope Pius XII.

When Benito Mussolini became the Italian leader before World War ii,
he called his regime the Holy Roman Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

As Benito Mussolini’s grip on Italy tightened during the 1920s,
he proclaimed the Holy Roman Empire restored.

In February 1929, Mussolini signed a pact with the Vatican, making Roman Catholicism
the only recognized religion in fascist Italy.

This agreement, known as the Lateran Treaty, delighted Pope Pius xi,
who spoke of Mussolini as “a man sent by Providence.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateran_Treaty

The agreements included a political treaty which created the state of the Vatican City
and guaranteed full and independent sovereignty to the Holy See.

Mussolini commissioned the Via della Conciliazione (Road of the Conciliation),
which would symbolically link the Vatican City to the heart of Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII_and_the_Holocaust
Some post-war critics have accused Pius of either being overly cautious, or of "not doing enough,"
or even of "silence" in the face of the Holocaust.
hitler/mussolini empowered by pope pius xii - Bing Images
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

7th resurrection - forming in Europe now.

Gr8grace · Jun 21, 2015

prove-all said:

I didn't see that answer. I would like to if you may?

I can use one word in my answer. Yes.

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