Joyce Meyer -- False Teacher

[JaumeJ]

Paul, being high among the Pharisees, knew there were women in the Old Testament who where not only spirit filled, but were given authority over many, including men. Deborah for one. Esther saved all of Israel. Paul was going by his own custom, for he indicates "I do not allow."

I belong to no denomination, but I listen to people who speak to me with the intention of glorifying Jesus Christ, and if I feel the presence of the Holy Spirit in his or her speech, I pay close attention.

I am not an avid follower of any other than Jesus Christ, however I have been helped greatly by Joyce M. when she spoke on how freewill offereings are converted to a sweet mell when offered up to God. A freewill offering is an offering of thanksgiving in my understanding, so do not go off thinking it is a work or some perverse addition to the Sacrifice fo our Lord, Jesus Christ.

When JM spoke, the Holy Spirit was in her words and filled me. I believed what she spoke, and a miracle occurred giving glory only to Jesus Christ.

Perhaps she is not perfect always. Now, just how stupid did that ound. Of course no one waiting for God to finishe the work He began in him or her is perfect, but He promises the work He has begun will be finished on His time.

I do not believe the intention of this forum is to have witch trials, or any kind of trail of our individual family members. If JM has erred in any way, gee, I guess I forgive her. I have not sought out error in this woman, but when I have heard her speak, I have been blessed and give glory to Jesus Christ.

If you all wish to judge for yourself what is right, as Jesus teaches, why not get on the case of the preacher who collected funds from his followers, bought planes and gold mines in Africa using church funds, and claimed he was saving souls in Africa. Perhaps he was, but it sounds a mite fishy to me.

Praise God always. If a brother or sister seems off to you, tell him or her. If he or she is not physically available, then pray for the person, but do not come into th eforum attempting to condemn.

 

[MsLimpet]

I believe the Scripture is already provided in my own last post?

You provided nothing.
[h=1]1 Timothy 2:12[/h] Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Timothy 2:12.


[h=2]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Now that is true scripture.[/h]

 

[JaumeJ]

As is written even if someone were to rise from the dead, they will not believe.

Do not fall into the trap Paul warns of, saying I belong to Peter or I belong to Paul.

WE all belong to Jesus Christ, for neither Peter nor Paul dide on a cross for our Salvation.

 

[FancyNancy]

I failed to find any scripture for you to provide, you are just a Joyce Meyer's lover. You cannot prove that woman can preach.

You fail to understand God's word. That is the problem, here.

 

[MsLimpet]

You fail to understand God's word. That is the problem, here.

What is God's word you failed to provide.

 

[JaumeJ]

I confess before God and His angels that I love Joyce Meyers. I also love you. I know I love all mankind, maybe some more than others, but all because I have no desire for any soul to be lost. This is because our Heavenly Father does not desire that any soul should perish, not because I was always so wonderful.

I juddge a tree by the fruit it bears, and I have seen Joyce Merys doing wonderful works and producing fruits even in me. All in the name of Jesus Christ, He gets the glory, so I believe she does do His work.

I failed to find any scripture for you to provide, you are just a Joyce Meyer's lover. You cannot prove that woman can preach.

 

[JaumeJ]

Please do not badger the witnesses of Jesus Christ. You have been provided wit more than adequate Scripture which includes allowing Joyce Meyer as a servant of the Most High God.

Because you do not understand it is no escuse for you to tell others they do not. Read the post again, and you will see Joyce Meyers and we all fit in the description.

You provided nothing.
1 Timothy 2:12

Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Timothy 2:12.


But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Now that is true scripture.

 

[MsLimpet]

Please do not badger the witnesses of Jesus Christ. You have been provided wit more than adequate Scripture which includes allowing Joyce Meyer as a servant of the Most High God.

Because you do not understand it is no escuse for you to tell others they do not. Read the post again, and you will see Joyce Meyers and we all fit in the description.

You are following a false preacher!

 

[PoetMary]

1 Timothy 2:12

Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Timothy 2:12.


But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

JaumeJ actually did address this scripture you posted in a glancing way.

Here's the basic thinking: Paul (and we know Paul...he was not one to mince words) instructs Timothy regarding the establishment and ordering of a church and tells him

"But *I* suffer not a woman to teach..." Other modern translations read: "But *I* do not allow a woman to teach..."

The significance here, regarding allowing women to teach, is that Paul says, "*I* suffer not..." That's interesting phraseology considering that Paul could have said, "Suffer not a woman to teach, " or "Do not allow a woman to teach."

To some that "I" indicates a statement of Paul's view of ecclesiastical order (and the possible implications that others did allow women to teach), as opposed to a "command statement" for all churches in all places at all times.

However, isn't all of this moot regarding Joyce Meyer? My understanding is that she is not the leader of a church. I always understood that she has a parachurch ministry. So, technically, she's not usurping anyone's authority.

Since Paul's instructions to Timothy were specifically about how to establish a church with order, I'm not sure how these teachings are applicable to non-churches. For example, would it be inappropriate for a woman to start a ministry involving the reading and teaching of the bible from her own home? It wouldn't be a church, per se, just a gathering of believers.

 

[Willie-T]

You are following a false preacher!

Two days ago you called me rude because I asked you to actually search Scripture for yourself (since you claimed to understand so little).... Now, you have the audacity to make accusations against God's workers? Wow, how wise you have suddenly become.

 

[MsLimpet]

JaumeJ actually did address this scripture you posted in a glancing way.

Here's the basic thinking: Paul (and we know Paul...he was not one to mince words) instructs Timothy regarding the establishment and ordering of a church and tells him

"But *I* suffer not a woman to teach..." Other modern translations read: "But *I* do not allow a woman to teach..."

The significance here, regarding allowing women to teach, is that Paul says, "*I* suffer not..." That's interesting phraseology considering that Paul could have said, "Suffer not a woman to teach, " or "Do not allow a woman to teach."

To some that "I" indicates a statement of Paul's view of ecclesiastical order (and the possible implications that others did allow women to teach), as opposed to a "command statement" for all churches in all places at all times.

However, isn't all of this moot regarding Joyce Meyer? My understanding is that she is not the leader of a church. I always understood that she has a parachurch ministry. So, technically, she's not usurping anyone's authority.

Since Paul's instructions to Timothy were specifically about how to establish a church with order, I'm not sure how these teachings are applicable to non-churches. For example, would it be inappropriate for a woman to start a ministry involving the reading and teaching of the bible from her own home? It wouldn't be a church, per se, just a gathering of believers.

You guys kill me, you CANNOT provide scripture for a woman to PREACH. Show me scripture!

 

[FancyNancy]

Why would there be a scripture telling a woman to preach? In Paul's culture, a woman was viewed as less than a dog in value. However, Jesus Christ, the great equalizer, taught Paul to include women in the building of His Church, and he did, as pastors and deacons, and as teachers, and of course you should know that we as believers in Jesus Christ are ALL commissioned to preach the gospel.

There is no male or female in the Kingdom. God calls and he anoints and equips those He calls, both male and female.

 

[JaumeJ]

Be very careful with the labels and accusations you purport.

I have already shared with you that I am non-denominational, and I follow Jesus Christ only while fellowshipping with any and all who also love and follow Him.

Joyce Meyers has helped me in amanner quite miraculous in her sharing of the Word, and I hope to see her in the Kingdom. I also hope to see you there, but please, allow people to honor God in the manner they are all led to do s
I know that God loves Joyce Meyers, so you should try to do the same. Look for her plus side, it is great.

You are following a false preacher!

 

[Willie-T]

[h=1]1 Timothy 2:12[/h] Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Timothy 2:12.


[h=2]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[/h]

Careful with your playing around with Scripture........ Are you aware that the 1611 version KJV was given to us with all the books of the Apocrypha included as a part of the Bible we are to be reading and following? Take great caution with this cafeteria selectivity, just because you happened to run across it.

 

[PoetMary]

You guys kill me, you CANNOT provide scripture for a woman to PREACH. Show me scripture!

Perhaps you misunderstand. I was addressing your comments that JaumeJ provided you with no scripture...which was an inaccurate statement. So, I offered you the same scripture that JaumeJ did, and explained it further.

The fact that you claim you've been offered no scripture seems to be a deliberate kind of spindoctoring. I understand that you've been offered scripture with a particular interpretation that differs from your own. I made no attempts to persuade you to think differently from how you currently think regarding the ordination of women.

Not only were you offered scripture, but you were asked some questions regarding your own interpretation of that scripture. You failed to answer those.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me whether or not you believe the bible allows women to teach. I do find the application of instructions for churches onto parachurch ministries to be an interesting choice. If a woman stands up to speak about anything related to the bible, and a man happens to listen, is she "usurping authority?" What if a woman doesn't stand up to teach, but she writes a book that talks about various aspects of the bible and Christianity? Is she "teaching" and usurping authority?

There are lots of women who've had ministries that men have followed: Corrie ten Boom, Joni Erickson Tada, and Elizabeth Elliot all come to mind. All of these women have done "speaking tours" where they would talk about their experiences with God, their understanding and application of various scriptures, and recommendations for Christian living. To my knowledge, no one has ever accused any of these women of being "usurpers," though all of them have clearly engaged in teaching. None of these women were pastors of a church.

If you wanted to strictly apply 1 Tim 2:12, you'd definitely need to go back and apply it to these women as well.

 

[Willie-T]

There's little more damaging to the church than a person who has learned to parrot a few verses, believing what someone told them to believe.

The Bible is a thick book. Don't decide God's mind for Him because you happen to have heard someone claim something that sounds jucy.

 

[MsLimpet]

There's little more damaging to the church than a person who has learned to parrot a few verses, believing what someone told them to believe.

The Bible is a thick book. Don't decide God's mind for Him because you happen to have heard someone claim something that sounds jucy.

That is a strawman response....none of you have provided anything biblical to back up your man made doctrine.

 

[MsLimpet]

[h=1]1 Timothy 2:12[/h] Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Timothy 2:12.


[h=2]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[/h]

 

[FancyNancy]

That is a strawman response....none of you have provided anything biblical to back up your man made doctrine.

Actually, it is a man-made and man-perpetuated doctrine that puts women outside of the callings of God. In fact, over the last 2000 years of the Church, cultural effects from the Greek and Roman Empires which indoctrinated everyone into satanic, misogynistic thinking have continually filtered down through the ages and pervaded the Church, thus effectually halving the work-force in the Kingdom.

 

[PoetMary]

That is a strawman response....none of you have provided anything biblical to back up your man made doctrine.

Nor have you provided biblical support for the application of scripture outside the ecclesiastical structures mentioned in the New Testament.