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Two different standards are being used--the law and the gospel.
According to the standard of the law, when he was a Pharisee, is the first view, and is true according to that false standard.
According to the gospel standard (which declares him a sinner) and without the indwelling Holy Spirit is the second view, and is true according to that standard, which is the true standard.
Look at the context of his claim to being faultless as a Pharisee, and you will see the what and why of it.
According to the standard of the law, when he was a Pharisee, is the first view, and is true according to that false standard.
According to the gospel standard (which declares him a sinner) and without the indwelling Holy Spirit is the second view, and is true according to that standard, which is the true standard.
Look at the context of his claim to being faultless as a Pharisee, and you will see the what and why of it.
What kind of response is this???
Did the one talent man of his own free will bury the talent and therefore lost or was he predetermined by God to do so and be lost?
Did the other men of their own free will use their talents righteously and therefore saved or predetermined by God to do so and be saved?
Hi,
I think Paul was blameless under the OT law (Phil 3:6) in the same sense as John's parents were also blameless under the OT (Lk 1:6). None were perfectly sinless but kept the law and its sin sacrifices keeping them blameless.
The issue in Rom 7 is Paul is writing this Roman epistle to Jews in Rome who became Christians and Paul is telling/warning them about trying to go back to the OT law. That OT law made justification impossible, so why would any Jew (or anyone) want to go back to that law? Under that OT law they did not have the blood of Christ to wash away all sins leaving them completely justified before God in Christ. The most that OT law allowed for to be completely justified before God was perfect, flawless law keeping which of course no Jew was able to do. In Rom 7 Paul is reminding these Jews of the struggle he had living under that OT law and striving for complete justification. Paul could not fulfill that high demand that OT law required to be completely justified and Paul expresses in Rom 7 the frustration, the problems of flawless law keeping. For it was in the heart of Paul to obey God, for he had much zeal for God, but it was heart-breaking for him when he did not keep it flawlessly as that law demanded therefore finding himself in sin before God instead of complete justification.
To cut off the Calvinists here, Paul in Rom 7 did NOT say he was totally depraved and not capable and unwilling to do any good at all, but is demonstrating to those Christian Jews in Rome the way the OT law made it impossible for one to be completely justified before God and the frustration that brought to him.
I think Paul was blameless under the OT law (Phil 3:6) in the same sense as John's parents were also blameless under the OT (Lk 1:6). None were perfectly sinless but kept the law and its sin sacrifices keeping them blameless.
The issue in Rom 7 is Paul is writing this Roman epistle to Jews in Rome who became Christians and Paul is telling/warning them about trying to go back to the OT law. That OT law made justification impossible, so why would any Jew (or anyone) want to go back to that law? Under that OT law they did not have the blood of Christ to wash away all sins leaving them completely justified before God in Christ. The most that OT law allowed for to be completely justified before God was perfect, flawless law keeping which of course no Jew was able to do. In Rom 7 Paul is reminding these Jews of the struggle he had living under that OT law and striving for complete justification. Paul could not fulfill that high demand that OT law required to be completely justified and Paul expresses in Rom 7 the frustration, the problems of flawless law keeping. For it was in the heart of Paul to obey God, for he had much zeal for God, but it was heart-breaking for him when he did not keep it flawlessly as that law demanded therefore finding himself in sin before God instead of complete justification.
To cut off the Calvinists here, Paul in Rom 7 did NOT say he was totally depraved and not capable and unwilling to do any good at all, but is demonstrating to those Christian Jews in Rome the way the OT law made it impossible for one to be completely justified before God and the frustration that brought to him.
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I agree with you almost to a T,
However, God DID give us the basis for his choice.
Whoever calls on the name of the lord will be saved.
Whoever believes in him will not be put to shame
We are saved by faith
etc etc.
If salvation is based on these facts. and jesus chose to save based on these facts, then this is the reason God chose.
As jesus himself said, whoever believes has eternal life, whoever does not believe shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides in him.
It makes perfect sense,
Not only that, But makes God a God of love, not a God of chance.
He chose based on the gospel (his son and what his son did)
The gospel states we are saved by trusting and calling out to God in complete humility (true faith)
thus he chose based on faith..
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Yep. All are sinners.
Thus if God does not offer salvation to all. he is not the God of love he claims to be. And satans lie is not only founded on the basis of truth, but confirmed.
Satan wins, God loses, and guess what, We have no hope; because an eternity with satan in charge is not an eternity I wish to be a part of. it would be no better than this world we live in now
Thus if God does not offer salvation to all. he is not the God of love he claims to be. And satans lie is not only founded on the basis of truth, but confirmed.
Satan wins, God loses, and guess what, We have no hope; because an eternity with satan in charge is not an eternity I wish to be a part of. it would be no better than this world we live in now
-Satan never won anything - he's allowed a short leash that God commands - why would anyone ever say that???
-If all Glory is God's, and the work is God's where does human effort towards salvation come? rhetorical Q
Anyway - I think we all have bigger fish to fry than if you agree or disagree with TULIP or Calvinistic Theology -
The better question is - what are you basing your ability to persevere under what is ahead? Your effort, or God's effort in the finished work of Christ
I forgot but should have added that after Paul speaks of his frustration of trying to keep the flawless law keeping the OT law demanded in Rom 7, going into Rom 8 Paul shows that "now" as a Christian in Christ there is "no condmenation", no frustration and problems under the NT gospel in BEING completely justified before God in Christ.
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Calvin's doctrine derived from the false doctrine taught by Augustine who said by his eternal security doctrine that falling away and apostasy is impossible. Calvin's is just an adaptation of these falsehoods that the bible clearly teaches on both.
Those who claim falling away from the faith is impossible are debating with the word of God, for the Holy Spirit Himself said that it will and does happen.........Augustine and Calvin say no - The Holy Spirit says yes;
Who are you going to believe the Holy Spirit or a man ???