Prophecy

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Is it possible that there can be more than one interpretation. For instance could somthings still be in the Future, yet some things have been proven by the Historical approcah?
 
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Is it possible that there can be more than one interpretation. For instance could somthings still be in the Future, yet some things have been proven by the Historical approcah?
Yes, the prophecy in the book of Daniel about the king of the north which was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes will have another end-time fulfillment in the end times. The king of the north is the northern part of the former Grecian empire (seleucid empire) encompassing countries such as Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and so on and so forth. He will attack the king of the south which is the former ptolemaic empire (Egypt).
 

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If you mean, 'can a prophecy have a double fulfillment?', I would say yes.
 

valiant

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Is it possible that there can be more than one interpretation. For instance could somthings still be in the Future, yet some things have been proven by the Historical approcah?
LOL you pays your money and you takes your choice. There are so many interpretations of prophecy that it is questionable how valuable they are.

God was in general way pointing forward to future events, and now most of those prophecies are applied to today regardless of their content or previous fulfilment. Current Prophetic interpretation makes the church a laughingstock.

The Book of Revelation is interpreted merely on the whim of the person supposed to be interpreting it.
 

valiant

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Yes, the prophecy in the book of Daniel about the king of the north which was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes will have another end-time fulfillment in the end times. The king of the north is the northern part of the former Grecian empire (seleucid empire) encompassing countries such as Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and so on and so forth. He will attack the king of the south which is the former ptolemaic empire (Egypt).
the Bible doesn't say so.!!! That is pure speculation.
 
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Brother_J_BELGIUM

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the Bible doesn't say so.!!! That is pure speculation.
I thought it did?

And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overthrow and pass over. - Daniel 11:40
 

valiant

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I thought it did?

And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overthrow and pass over. - Daniel 11:40
have you read Mauro's treatment of this? It refers to the time of the end for the Jews, which occurred in 70 AD. The passage is about Antony and Cleopatra (the king of the south) and Augustus (the king of the north), with Herod switching between the two. Who was 'the desire of women? The Messiah. Who heard news from the east? Herod. It is crystal clear.

Antony is famous for having concentrated on chariots, horsemen and ships. That in the end was why he lost.
 
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Is it possible that there can be more than one interpretation. For instance could somthings still be in the Future, yet some things have been proven by the Historical approcah?
Yes.... :)


2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Ecclesiastes 3:15
That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
 
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Brother_J_BELGIUM

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The Bible doesn't say the end for the Jews, it just says at the time of the end. Why bend the meaning of this prophecy? A couple of verses later, the following is told:

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

The time of the end, whether the actual end of time or the end of the Jews, will only be after the 70th week OF THE JEWS, which is at the time of the end. Right before the Millennium. There's a reason why John says the king who was, and is not, will come. It must've been either the Babylonian, Persian or Greek king (lion, bear, leopard - Rev 13).
 

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Is it possible that there can be more than one interpretation. For instance could somthings still be in the Future, yet some things have been proven by the Historical approcah?

IMO, most prophesies have dual or even multiple fulfillments.
 

Dan58

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Is it possible that there can be more than one interpretation. For instance could somthings still be in the Future, yet some things have been proven by the Historical approcah?

I'm convinced that much of OT prophecy has double meanings, the obvious meaning and that which points to Christ. Its this double entendre that presents duel understanding.
 
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Michael Scheifler believes that the seventy weeks of Daniel are seven continuous weeks without a gap, he believes there is no scriptural support for the theory that the last week of this 70 weeks prophecy is cut off and placed in the future.

If that is true we are still left with the fact and I believe it is a fact that Jesus will reurn. So therefore if according to Scheifler the seventy weeks have been Historically fulfilled, we still have the Future return of Jesus Christ.

Here's the article:

70 Weeks Prophecy of Daniel - Bible Prophecy
 
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Yea, a whole false doctrine has been built upon a supposedly unfulfilled week of the 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy. They usually hold to a 7 year tribulation theory as part of that floating time somewhere off in the future. They usually deny the Abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple Jesus and his disciples were looking at with their own eyes was even fulfilled, even though Jesus confirmed it to the apostles.

They usually deny the Prince of this world has already been cast out of heaven to earth, which is also contrary to what Jesus said to his disciples. They also think the antichrist spirit is a single man yet to come in the future, which is also not based on scripture.

All of these false ideas are not based on scripture, but rather the fanciful imaginations of carnally minded men.
 
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Is it possible that there can be more than one interpretation. For instance could somthings still be in the Future, yet some things have been proven by the Historical approcah?
IMO prophecy has always been past, present, and future (redundant) because of human blindness, and carnality fails to learn from proven history because of willful ignorance.
 
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Has anyone seen this vision yet has this been fulfilled

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valiant

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The Bible doesn't say the end for the Jews, it just says at the time of the end. Why bend the meaning of this prophecy?
but the whole chapter was of the history of the Jews. Why should it suddenly jump to an unspecified time in the future? It is most natural to see 'at the time of the end' indicating the time of the end of the prophecies. Thus I think it is you who is bending the prophecy.

A couple of verses later, the following is told:
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
yes this commenced its fulfilment in 70 AD. It was then that the great tribulation on the Jews began which has lasted for nearly 2000 years. See also Rev 12 which relates Michael's rising to the time after Jesus resurrection.

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
yes the time which would be the end of his prophecies. It all points to 70 AD and thereabouts.

The time of the end, whether the actual end of time or the end of the Jews, will only be after the 70th week OF THE JEWS, which is at the time of the end. Right before the Millennium.
LOL so you are one of these jokers that tries to put a gap into Daniel's seventy sevens with no good grounds at all? No wonder you are mixed up. There are no grounds at all for dividing up the seventy sevens by disconnecting the last seven. it makes nonsense of Biblical interpretation.

There's a reason why John says the king who was, and is not, will come. It must've been either the Babylonian, Persian or Greek king (lion, bear, leopard - Rev 13).
actually it was the Romans which incorporated the other three empires :)
 
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Yea, a whole false doctrine has been built upon a supposedly unfulfilled week of the 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy. They usually hold to a 7 year tribulation theory as part of that floating time somewhere off in the future. They usually deny the Abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple Jesus and his disciples were looking at with their own eyes was even fulfilled, even though Jesus confirmed it to the apostles.

They usually deny the Prince of this world has already been cast out of heaven to earth, which is also contrary to what Jesus said to his disciples. They also think the antichrist spirit is a single man yet to come in the future, which is also not based on scripture.

All of these false ideas are not based on scripture, but rather the fanciful imaginations of carnally minded men.
What I find interesting is that in Dan.9:26,27 the people of the prince that will come and destroy the city and the sanctuary and make a covenant with many (if indeed it is the Jews spoken of), doesn't fit with the Romans.

When did Rome ever make a covenant with the Jews for 7years and then cause their sacrifices to cease 31/2 years into the 7years?, it never happened.
 
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Has anyone seen this vision yet has this been fulfilled

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Daniel was told what the Ram was in verse20.......Media-Persia, which has ceased to exist.
 
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What I find interesting is that in Dan.9:26,27 the people of the prince that will come and destroy the city and the sanctuary and make a covenant with many (if indeed it is the Jews spoken of), doesn't fit with the Romans.

When did Rome ever make a covenant with the Jews for 7years and then cause their sacrifices to cease 31/2 years into the 7years?, it never happened.
Your confusing the 2 Princes mentioned in Daniel. One Prince is Messiah who confirms the New Covenant, and the people of the Prince that shall come to destroy the sanctuary is speaking of the Prince of this world coming (spirit of antichrist) working in many, which is also confirmed by both Jesus and his apostles as having come during their ministry.