Do you know why you are a protestant???

VCO · Jul 9, 2015

flob said:

Then are you saying you Do Not Believe what JESUS says? ? ?

Matthew 7:21-23 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. {Actually submits to HIS Lordship in obedience.}
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Our KNOWING HIM and HIS KNOWING US, is that inner personal LOVE relationship that is established when the Holy Spirit comes into our hearts, bringing our once dead human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE, resulting in our willing submission to JESUS CHRIST as LORD, which means MASTER. So can I prove Biblically that kind of LOVE comes from the HOLY SPIRIT taking up residence in our hearts? ABSOLUTELY!

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

As for that list of Caesars, that came from Wikipedia; and sure there were more after Galba, but because of the Civil Wars in the Empire, they NEVER HAD COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE EMPIRE, LIKE THE FIRST SIX DID.

fredjames · Jul 9, 2015

MikeHenderson said:

Sure i would want to give you an 'A' for your short quotation about the Catholic 'heresy' and most probably GOD willing in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST you may 'lead' the Catholic believers from their 'heresy' and give 'homage' to GOD's every Word in the HOLY BIBLE. Initially GOD is doing this through HIS believers over the years. Many have become 'born again' and are in non-catholic church practicing HOLY BIBLE Word/Teaching of CHRIST JESUS our LORD, abiding in HIS 'every Word/Teaching' and 'bearing much fruit' and making sure that 'their fruit is also abiding'.

We are in the midst of a 'multitude' of witnesses, and we can't hide anything. And moreover a number of unbelievers have also read the HOLY BIBLE and have given up on them. Also many of them will be 'witnesses' on 'judgement day'.

JESUS said, "You will know them by their fruit.

For a start and for a Good GOD who loves all of us, let us therefore do a 'reality check' on ourselves first, and then our born again churches and then the Catholic, by using the New Covenant/Testament text and in context what CHRIST called us to 'do'?

Have we individually diligently 'hear' and 'practice/do' these word/teaching of CHRIST and are ourselves as 'wise builders'?

Therefore have all the born again churches have produced such 'good fruit' together as gathered?

Again first of all, have you 'practice' and 'abide' in all of them and 'bear much fruit' and 'made sure your fruit also abide'?

The thing about Catholic being said once or twice is understandable, but the same thing over and over again, is enough already, and as though the other accusing 'party' have not sinned. This is how 'weak believers' of the Protestants/Reformers in the beginning who started a revolution against the Catholics. On one account when Martin Luther was in 'witness protection' living in a secluded location, in a mansion, planned and aided and funded by a 'Duke' for his safety from persecution opposing 'papacy'. Therefore in his absence, his followers were stirred up by one or more among them about the wrong things and doings of 'papacy' and their 'middle class citizen' followers. Then they manage to start a revolution and went on a 'rampage' against them.

And when Martin Luther got the news, he took the risk and exposed himself and stopped it from spreading, even to a point most probably a 'civil war'. Martin Luther was disgusted and rebuked his 'weak followers' for the savage.

"Before we cast stones at 'outsiders', we must learn and be wise in order to know about the 'rock' that can fall upon us pretty hard and we will never make it for forever."

On the day of our JESUS of Nazareth, that 'adulteress' were considered as an 'outsider', who was caught in the very act and who have sinned against their 'Spiritual law'. Righteous people were ready to stone her to death, in 'ignorance' to the ones they have committed themselves and about to commit. JESUS is 'Wonderful', who saved the day for 'both parties' and disperse them in 'peace' and 'peace with GOD'.

Halleluiah!

Praise be to GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forever and ever. Amen.

VCO · Jul 9, 2015

flob said:

WHO, keeps publishing that PHONY Nero is 666 THEORY?

Was that Jack Chick TOO?

I discussed that several times in the past, and every year or two someone buys into that FALSE THEORY, and drags it all up again.

I repeat:

Oh come on, someone is really reviving that OLD Nero Theory again. FORGET looking for secret codes in the Bible, they never were there in the first place.

The answer to the riddle is really very simple in this modern era of computerized scanners.

TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO FULFILL THE MARK OF THE BEAST

No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.

Revelation 13:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST

The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.

HERE IS THE RFID MICROCHIP TV ADVERT 100% PROOF IT IS HERE - YouTube

IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market - YouTube

Hitachi Releases 2.5mm C1G2 Durable RFID Tag: Host Louis Sirico - YouTube

Under Your Skin The War against Freedom – Human Biochip Implant

Microchip Implants

Bio-chip implant arrives for cashless transactions

Tianhe-2 Tops Supercomputer List > ENGINEERING.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GovcXrEVCc

Make sure you watch the second video link above, and you will actually see why you cannot buy or sell anything without the RFID chip embedded under the skin of your hand.

flob · Jul 9, 2015

If you confess Lord Jesus, with your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.

The Kingdom of the heavens, here, is the kingdom reward, since it is 'on that day.'
In other words, 1000 years reigning with on earth with Him visibly then, Rv 2:26; 3:21; 5:10; 12:5; 20:4, 6.

It is not eternity in heaven. Since saints will not spend eternity in heaven, but rather as the New Jerusalem
on the new earth, which is in the new heavens.

Mt 7:22-27 is the same as all of chapters 5--7. To disciples about disciples. Beginning with the constitution, the nature,
of the kingdom. Which is not mansions in the sky, but is blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens. Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted...
5--7 is not about unbelievers, about nondisciples, about 'heaven vs hell.'

Except apparently 7:15-20.

You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt has become tasteless...It is no longer good for anything except to be cast out...
Many believers (myself included) might want that to be about unbelievers, nonchristians, non-children of God. But it is not.
Lot's wife was and is one of God's elect. Punished.
Everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to the judgment.
That is no judgment re damnation forever. That is not 'soul-brother.' That is a brother in Christ.
...Liable to the Sanhedrin...liable to the Gehenna of fire. Even. That is not eternity in the fire. Rv 2:11; 3:5; Heb 12; 1 Cor 3.
...Thrown into prison (Mt 5:25). Gehenna again, 5:29-30. Cutting off the right hand, plucking out the right eye.
Love you enemies, and pray for those who persecute you. so that you may become sons of your Father who is in the heavens...
But...........I thought we were already sons of God? By faith (Gal 3:26)?

Hypocrite...how can you say to your brother... (Mt 7:4) The unsaved hypocrites are in 6:16.
Speaking of chapter 6, If you do not forgive men their offenses, neither will your Father forgive your offenses...
'Neither will'... (I can show you the other verse pertaining to this one.) This is neither to, nor about, nonbelievers.
Atheists, JWs, etc etc etc. Nor does 'neither will' mean 'never.' It refers to the temporary discipline of 1000 years outside
the kingdom.
Back to ch. 7,

You, being evil, know how to give good gifts...
Narrow is the gate and constricted is the way...
The prudent man and the foolish man (both believers, as the 10 in Mt 25).

In sum: as strong as the word 'never' is, I still have to look at the immediate context, as well as 7:21-23,
to interpret and understand who is who and what is going on.

Lastly, if you are right, and I am wrong, about who they are: then great, neither of us has to 'worry' about 21-23.
Because (I believe) you are a believer, and I can do not else but tell you Jesus Christ is my living Lord

Well, it is submission, in the very first place, to call Him Lord the first time, to believe into and receive Him. It is the obedience of faith. It is faith. The submission Is faith, and the simple believing into Him = submission.

To say "does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter = {Actually submits to HIS Lordship in obedience}"
sounds like you are making 7:21-23 about eternity.
But ............. a little dangerously ............. if you're saying 'do some act' to show your obedience instead of, or in addition, to believing into the Lord Jesus, then that would constitute 'the works of the law, out of which no flesh shall be justified before Him,' Romans 3:20. Is it not? Martin Luther also recognized this 1500 years later

I didn't think Galba did. There were like three in a row, including Galba, who reigned for a few months only, because of conflict. And so I exclude him. Julius was the first 'deified' by the society or government, Caesar; he was also assassinated.
I'll look again why I feel Rv 17 excludes Galba and 'successors' until Domitian, about AD 100.

666 is simple elegant and true. Regardless if Jack Chick agrees with it or not. John wouldn't reveal the name outright. And further it is
not a 'symbol,' It is what it says: the number of a man. Whether he will use chips or not

KenAllan · Jul 9, 2015

The Adulteress was a sinner AND she stopped sinning to follow Jesus. The Catholics on the other hand refuse to stop sinning and refuse to follow only Jesus.

All they want to do is Worship and follow Mary.

VCO · Jul 9, 2015

flob said:

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Flob, your theology is twisted beyond belief. I believe what the BIBLE says, and you believe something else.

What false prophet have you been listening to? Jehovah Witnesses?

JUST SO YOU KNOW, the word CONFESS, means a WHOLE LOT MORE than profess. If you have not genuinely surrendered and received Jesus as LORD, which means MASTER; then you have not Confessed it, no matter how many times you profess it.

Matthew 7:20-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Matthew 25:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’

1 John 2:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” yet doesn't keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelation 21:1-2 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea no longer existed.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I also saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.

Your Theory about it NOT BEING IN HEAVEN WITH GOD, has just been proven FALSE. The Term "new heaven" is actually "new atmosphere". The Bible uses the term "heaven" to describe three places.

The Birds soured through the heaven = Atmosphere

The Stars of heaven = Universe or Galaxy

AND coming down out of heaven from God = the eternal dwelling place of GOD.

That prophecy happens after this present Earth and Atmosphere has been destroyed at the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ from the Throne of David; when Christ creates a NEW ATMOSPHERE and NEW EARTH.

2 Corinthians 12:2 (BBE)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I have knowledge of a man in Christ, fourteen years back (if he was in the body, or out of the body, I am not able to say, but God only), who was taken up to the third heaven.

And here is proof that our spirits go directly to Heaven to be with the LORD, if we are born again Believers that "KNOW HIM".

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had. {Why "under the altar" because the sacrificial blood is always poured out at the base of the altar by the High Priest, and Jesus is our High Priest. {Ex. 29:12} The only portal to Heaven for the spirit's of sinful mankind, is under the altar, so that we pass through HIS blood, that HE poured out there. NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
[SUP]11 [/SUP] So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 7:13-15 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Psalm 146:3-4 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing.

I highly suspect, correct me if I am wrong, that you have read a LOT of Watchtower magazines in your time. IF SO, I strongly URGE you to FLEE their teachings, as they have been proven a False Prophet several times.

JaumeJ · Jul 9, 2015

When I look around, seeing and hearing what is taught in the name of Jesus Christ, without having consulted Him on it, it makes me sad. Even though I am convinced by what I have learned from the Word guided by the Holy Spirit that many who are members of the denominations under the umbrella called Christian are brothers and sisters, it makes me sd.

Jesus pronounced it, apostasy would abound before He returns. All who love Jesus Christ, please always read the Word with His teaching foremost in your study. He is the Word. He is God.

Blessed be all who are truly in Jesus Christ.........amen.

VCO · Jul 9, 2015

flob said:

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NO, NEVER HAVE I TAUGHT WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Martin Luther also wanted to throw the book of James out of the Bible, because in his younger, spiritually immature years, he thought the book of James was also preaching works righteousness.

James 2:14 (ESV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works?
Can that faith save him? {The implied answer is: NO!}

James 2:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

Then as Martin Luther matured spiritually, he came to understand that what James was saying, is that GENUINE faith will produce a desire and striving to OBEY HIM, by the power of the Holy Spirit. NOT out of our mind, but rather out of the LOVE FOR GOD that the Holy Spirit poured into out heart, combined with the Power of the Holy Spirit within us.

Romans 5:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Remember the Parable of the Sower? The Holy Spirit is the Sower, and when "good seed" is planted in "good soil", it WILL produce a "good crop". When the Holy Spirit enters our hearts and pours the Love of GOD into our hearts, THAT LOVE combined with the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, WILL PRODUCE:

A born again, eternally alive, human spirit.
A LOVE for GOD and JESUS CHRIST, that cannot be generated in the human mind.
A Loving, willing submission to JESUS CHRIST as LORD, meaning MASTER.
A Desire to always strive to WALK in obedience to HIM.
A Desire to confess and repent of sin, every time we discover sin in our lives.
A Desire to climb into the Waters of Baptism, in obedience to HIM.

NONE of that comes from the HUMAN MIND OF THE FLESH.
It all is produced within a genuine Believer's born again, human spirit;
by the LOVE of GOD and the Power of the Holy Spirit.

1 John 2:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” yet doesn't keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.

1 John 5:3 (NRSV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the love of God is this, that we obey his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome,

NO! Obedience is NOT part of earning our Salvation; which is ALL by GRACE.
YES! Obedience is part of the LOVE of GOD that was poured into our hearts after we were SAVED.

VCO · Jul 9, 2015

KenAllan said:

THREE FINGERS ARE STILL POINTING BACK AT YOU!

Philippians 4:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

There is NOTHING GENTLE about your attitude NOR Jack Chick's attitude towards Catholics.

ONCE again Jack Chick's bad fruit, proves him to be a False Prophet.

Obviously you know VERY LITTLE about Catholics, and I even DOUBT if you have ever sat down to have Bible Study, or listened to a single Sermon in a Catholic Church. ALL you know is the lies about them that Jack Chick made up.

I on the other hand have done BOTH, and by their OBVIOUS good fruit, I have personally known SEVERAL BORN AGAIN CATHOLICS. And their fruit that they bare on regular basis, will put to SHAME a lot of Protestants.

Are there some Catholics that are not genuine Christians, who actually worship Mary? I am sure there are a FEW.

AND LIKEWISE I AM SURE THEIR ARE LOTS OF SO CALLED PSUEDO-CHRISTIAN PROTESTANTS, who worship their Pastors or the likes of proven false prophets like: Jack Chick, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copland, Joel Osteen, Fred Price, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, Peter Popoff, etc., etc., etc.

How is it, that I find just as many phony protestants if not MORE, as I do phony Catholics? AND even more why does it NOT SHOCK ME, nor UPSET ME?

Matthew 13:24-30 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;
[SUP]25 [/SUP] but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?'
[SUP]28 [/SUP] He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?'
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." ' " {And you are trying to be one of the REAPERS NOW, pronouncing them to hell. The Reapers are Angels, it is NOT our Job to cast them into the fire. WHY? Because any Church that still believes in the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity, that Salvation is by Grace is, and the Bible is the Inspired WORD of GOD, and READS IT TO THE CONGREGATION REGULARLY; will ultimately result in a few getting SAVED. In other words OUR LORD is in the business of turning TARES into WHEAT.}

Isaiah 55:11 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

Romans 10:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Romans 10:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

Like I said, you still have three fingers pointing back at you when you point a Catholics.

Please, actually read the Catholic Catechism, before you pronounce one more of them an apostate.

Excerpts from the Catholic Catechism:

245 . . . “The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, is God, one and equal with the Father and the Son, of the same substance and also of the same nature. . . ."

261 The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of the Christian faith and of Christian life. God alone can make it known to us by revealing himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

446 In the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the ineffable Hebrew name YHWH, by which God revealed himself to Moses, is rendered as Kyrios, “Lord.” From then on, “Lord” becomes the more usual name by which to indicate the divinity of Israel’s God. The New Testament uses this full sense of the title “Lord” both for the Father and—what is new—for Jesus, who is thereby recognized as God Himself.

105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. “The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.” . . .

106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. “To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more.

154 Believing is possible only by grace and the interior helps of the Holy Spirit. . . .

388 . . . We must know Christ as the source of grace in order to know Adam as the source of sin. . . .

389 The doctrine of original sin is, so to speak, the “reverse side” of the Good News that Jesus is the Savior of all men, that all need salvation, and that salvation is offered to all through Christ. . . .

1266 The Most Holy Trinity gives the baptized sanctifying grace, the grace of justification: . . .—enabling them to believe in God, to hope in him, and to love him through the theological virtues;
—giving them the power to live and act under the prompting of the Holy Spirit through the gifts of the Holy Spirit;
—allowing them to grow in goodness through the moral virtues.

NOT WHAT YOU THOUGHT and were TAUGHT what the Catholic Church Believes, is it. May I suggest you now repent, and accept them as part of FOLD that JESUS CHRIST Shephards.

KenAllan · Jul 10, 2015

Romans 3:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

The Catholic Church teaches that Mary was born without sin.

The Holy Spirit says ALL, which includes Mary, are sinners.

This is not a lie, this is the Truth on what the Catholics teach. So why are you defending Satan and his teachings in the Catholic Church VCO?

This is just one on thousands of lies the Catholics teach and yet you seem to think they are the True Church.

So who is really being deceived here? Its you.

Mec99 · Jul 10, 2015

Are we to treat heretics as True Christians? Are we to roll over and play dead not showing the evil that is in them? NO!

God clearly tells us there are tares among His Children!

Matthew 13:38
[SUP]38 [/SUP] The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.

Matthew 13:40-42
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
[SUP]42 [/SUP] and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

This is what will happen to all the Catholics who Worship and follow Mary.

VCO · Jul 10, 2015

KenAllan said:

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NOW, Let's see what we find in the Catholic Catechism :

389 The doctrine of original sin is, so to speak, the “reverse side” of the Good News that Jesus
is the Savior of all men, that all need salvation, and that salvation is offered to all through Christ. . . .

Oh my, they themselves said ALL in the Catholic Catechism.

437 To the shepherds, the angel announced the birth of Jesus as the Messiah promised to Israel: “To you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.” From the beginning he was “the one whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world,” conceived as “holy” in Mary’s virginal womb. God called Joseph to “take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit,” so that Jesus, “who is called Christ,” should be born of Joseph’s spouse into the messianic lineage of David.

NOW, that "conceived as "holy" in Mary's virginal womb" DOES NOT MEAN SHE WAS WITHOUT A SIN NATURE. It only means she had NEVER known a man sexually.

485 The mission of the Holy Spirit is always conjoined and ordered to that of the Son. The Holy Spirit, “the Lord, the giver of Life,” is sent to sanctify the womb of the Virgin Mary and divinely fecundate it, causing her to conceive the eternal Son of the Father in a humanity drawn from her own.

NO, it only says the Holy Spirit was sent to sanctify her womb, not her whole body, BY BELIEVING THE MESSAGE FROM GOD that the Angel delivered to her, she certainly was Blessed, and Justified, and set on the path of Sanctification.

Romans 4:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.

Now some may believe she had no sin nature, which contradicts what there own Catechism says, that I quoted above. HOWEVER, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY THEOLOGICAL THEORIES Exist in the Protestant Churches that actually contradict Scripture? I could not even begin to Count ALL OF THEM. You are still pointing the finger at Catholics, and THREE are still pointing back at yourself.

Luke 6:36-37 (NASB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
[SUP]37 [/SUP] "Do not judge, and you will not be judged;
and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned;
pardon, and you will be pardoned.

Matthew 7:1-2 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,
and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

It is one thing to state, "I believe there are some errors in Catholics Theology."; but it is CERTAINLY JUDGING when you state "They will never enter the Heaven because of the errors they Teach." It is NOT your place to JUDGE, which means to pass sentence upon. It is SOLELY the LORD's Decision to decide how many sins HE paid for on the CROSS. The last time I checked, it said there was ONLY ONE SIN that was not paid for on the Cross, and that was Blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which is Rejecting everything about Jesus Christ that the Holy Spirit has been trying to convince and convict your heat that it is TRUTH.

Now, why are you SO caught up in pointing out the errors of others?
Could it be that it is to hide your own errors?

Do I agree with every Doctrinal Teaching of every protestant Church? NO, especially the Charismatic side. But I love them as Christians Brother and Sisters anyhow, and I will protect them every bit as much from the fiery darts of the devil, as I do protecting my Catholic Christian Brothers and Sisters. YES, I absolutely believe you were deceived into hurling those "fiery darts of the devil" at Catholics.

Ephesians 6:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.

I have a suggestion, instead of exhibiting pride and arrogance, try praying for Catholics. I have found it is impossible to hate someone that you are genuinely praying for.

[video=youtube;cfg5VTyDkyA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfg5VTyDkyA[/video]

VCO · Jul 10, 2015

Oh how they love to HATE
and look down on others!

Luke 18:10-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “Two men went up to the temple complex to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] The Pharisee took his stand and was praying like this: ‘God, I thank You that I’m not like other people—greedy, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of everything I get.’
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even raise his eyes to heaven but kept striking his chest and saying, ‘God, turn Your wrath from me—a sinner!’
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I tell you, this one went down to his house justified rather than the other; because everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

MikeHenderson · Jul 11, 2015

Romans 1:18-21
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

The Catholic Church does suppress the Truth in the Scriptures from God by saying "only the Catholic Church and its Traditions" have the Truth.

The Catholic Church has put itself above God and His Word.

The True Church is the Christian Church not the Catholic Church.

Ephesians 2:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP] having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,

You need to get off your high horse VCO and listen to what God says in the Scriptures and stop listening to the Catholics.

KenAllan · Jul 11, 2015

You forgot one VCO.

"491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God,134 was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:

The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.135"

Romans 3:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Where in the Scriptures VCO did God say Mary was born without sin?

Its not there.

The teaching that Mary was born without sin is a false teaching that the Catholic Church is putting ABOVE the teaching of God that ALL are under sin and All have sinned.

Who has more Authority on the Truth VCO, God or the Catholic Church?

If God has more Authority then why are the Catholics teaching Mary was without sin when God says All are under sin?

mwc68 · Jul 11, 2015

Mec99 said:

Are we to treat heretics as True Christians? Are we to roll over and play dead not showing the evil that is in them? NO!

God clearly tells us there are tares among His Children!

Matthew 13:38
[SUP]38 [/SUP] The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.

Matthew 13:40-42
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
[SUP]42 [/SUP] and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

This is what will happen to all the Catholics who Worship and follow Mary.

Thank God Catholics don't worship Mary!

MikeHenderson · Jul 11, 2015

Again and again Catholics insist they do not Worship Mary.

Lets see, they have a picture of Mary, they have a statue of Mary, their on their knees praying the Hail Mary prayer to Mary.

But yet they claim they are not Worshiping Mary!

If you say the Lord's Pray to God means you are not Worshiping God?

If saying the Lord's Prayer to God is Worshiping God, then the Catholics saying the Hail Mary prayer to Mary IS Worshiping Mary.

The Catholics are deceiving themselves in to believing they are not Worshiping Mary.

The Catholics may deny it all they want but all they are doing is hiding their heads in the sand.

That which you pray to is your god.

VCO · Jul 11, 2015

Mec99 said:

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Your opening sentence, hardy needs a response.

1 John 2:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

So I ask you, "How did JESUS treat Judas?" You may want to seriously consider repenting.

I mentioned it before, I personally know several Born Again Catholics. I KNOW IT IS TRUE because of the fruit they bare. As for you, what kind of FRUIT do you think HATE IS? You have swallowed the teachings of a false prophet, hook, line, and sinker.

Philippians 4:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

Matthew 13:27-30 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?'
[SUP]28 [/SUP] He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?'
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." ' "

You are NOT to pull up the tares and cast them out, that is NOT your job. It is the job of the following Angels, therefore repent.

Matthew 24:31 (NKJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

CHRIST alone will pass sentence upon those who are NOT true Christians! The Catholic Catechism shows us that they Worship the Same Jesus Christ as I do, and the Same TRIUNE GOD that I do. But as for those who hate Catholics, we KNOW what His word teaches:

1 John 3:14-19 (ESV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. Whoever does not love abides in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him;

1 John 4:20 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

So I admit, even I think the Catholics have some errors in their doctrines.
HOWEVER, we certainly have noticed that so do you, especially your hate.

1 Peter 4:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another,
because love covers a multitude of sins.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Be hospitable to one another without complaint.

You have never volunteered to help the Ministerial Association have you?
I can tell by your attitude.

Matthew 25:45 (NASB)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it
to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'

I am sure you know that God is the author of poetic justice, therefore I figure when we get to heaven, and you look to your right and your left, you will find a Catholic standing on either side of you, and probably at HIS Table too. And then with a Catholic on either side of you, imagine the look on your face, when Our Lord commands us to "GREEK ONE ANOTHER WITH A HOLY KISS!". LOL, that is if you are even there, because HATE is BAD FRUIT.

Galatians 5:19-21 (YLT)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And manifest also are the works of the flesh, which are: Adultery, whoredom, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, strifes, emulations, wraths, rivalries, dissensions, sects,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revellings, and such like, of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that those doing such things the reign of God shall not inherit.

So how do I handle a discussion with one presenting errors in doctrine, yet proclaims the SAME Jesus Christ and SAME Holy Trinity as I do. Pretty much the same as you have been seeing me do here. I show them why I cannot believe their misunderstanding or false doctrine, by showing them what the Scripture actually says. I strive to be very careful not to grow angry, which is sin. I show them especially about the Teachings that we are called to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. And I remind them that strifes, dissensions, and arguments among Christians are certainly the work of the Devil. I do not hurl insults, nor pronounce them to hell, which only discredits our own testimony. I know that if the person whom I am debating wants to carry the discussion to a HEATED ARGUMENT, I can always just "AGREE TO DISAGREE".

VCO · Jul 11, 2015

KenAllan said:

That is purely an assumption that Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854, proving that the Pope makes mistakes like the rest of us human beings. NOTICE that he did not back it up with a single scripture. They still teach the SAME Jesus Christ, and the Same Holy Trinity as we do. So they have some errors in their doctrine; we have noticed that you do too. Ask yourself, WHY you want to hate Catholic Christians SO MUCH? Could it be that you find it easier to HATE, than the LOVE? I guarantee, that is not the only error you have fallen for. I tell you what, when we all get to heaven, you all come out back the Throne of Grace where my shack on the Crystal River will be, and we will all have a good laugh about everything we had wrong. Bring a fishing pole, those Crystal River trout, are bound to be the best fishing ever.

VCO · Jul 11, 2015

MikeHenderson said:

Romans 1:18-21
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

The Catholic Church does suppress the Truth in the Scriptures from God by saying "only the Catholic Church and its Traditions" have the Truth.

The Catholic Church has put itself above God and His Word.

The True Church is the Christian Church not the Catholic Church.

Ephesians 2:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP] having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,

You need to get off your high horse VCO and listen to what God says in the Scriptures and stop listening to the Catholics.

Matthew 7:15-16 (NIV)
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

HATE is still BAD FRUIT.

Do you know why you are a protestant???

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