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JGIG

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eternally-gratefull said:
I love the sarcasm of people who are so afraid to let go of things they must mock anyone who disagrees with them.

Oh and by the way,

"do not commit adultry"

Now I have no desire to do this, I love my wife, and would never think of doing it. But According to many in here

1. I better read it every day or I will be tempted (even though in reality, if I read it every day, it will be on my mind every day, that alone is enough for satan to use it to tempt me)
2. I better read it every day so I know HOW TO OBEY the command (even though in reality, the command does not say how to do it, it just says do not do it.

then again, I have a question, if my mind is so focused on obeying all these commands, and reading them and contemplating on them day after day after day.

When do I have time to start thinking about loving others, and what God wants me to do for my family, my co-workers, my friends, and people I have not met yet. studying things which are far more important in my current walk of life.

oh and one more thing, when do I get to the point that I see the commands I continually fail in, and start to ignore those commands, and start puffing myself up because I obey they set of commands over here (to make myself feel better because I fail at those over there)

oh legalism, and its stain on the christain way of life.
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to eternally-gratefull again."

A classic post.

Well done!

-JGIG
 
Jason0047

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Anyways, the point of why you cannot look into the Ark is because it was holy and one needed a priest in order to intercede on your behalf. This means that Jesus is our Heavenly High Priest who obeyed the Law perfectly so as to make us righteous when we first come to him in broken repentance. Now, if we break the Law of Christ under the New Testament after having accepted the Lord and repented of our sins, we then have to throw ourselves down before the mercy seat of the Lord and seek His forgiveness in order to continue to receive His grace and forgiveness.
 
JGIG

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crossnote said:
When I say law, I mean that which God requires of us to do.Failure to meet it's demands was punished. Christ met those demands and took our punishment that's why there's mercy and grace because of the Gospel. Rahab was shown mercy not because of the law but she believed in the God of Israel and the reports concerning their God and the promise the spies gave to her..
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Yep. Rahab, a Gentile, was blessed by God apart from the Law because she believed in the one True God.

Believe and live.

Sounds prophetic, eh?

-JGIG
 
Angela53510

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crossnote said:
Define grace and mercy, then I'll answer you.
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I was just thinking about this very thing while I was driving around town today. Here is something I read in a book which I found to be very instructive.

Mercy - NOT getting what you deserve. (Punishment)

Grace - Getting what you do NOT deserve (Salvation and forgiveness!)
 
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Willie-T said:
How many times I have wished for more edit time than this ridiculously inadequate 5 minutes we're allotted. It seems no matter how many times I check something before I post it, I invariably find something I would have changed when it is up on the forum. And by that time, it is usually too late to correct it.
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Well you could post to your word processor, then wait 10 minutes b4 posting and Voila! :p
 
Jason0047

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Grace is only received if one is humble and penitent towards the Lord and if they desire to never sin again against Him. For the Lord will not tolerate any excuses of people saying that they will always sin at some point in the future by the fact that they cannot stop sinning. For Romans 6:14 says sin shall not have dominion over you.
 
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Angela53510 said:
I was just thinking about this very thing while I was driving around town today. Here is something I read in a book which I found to be very instructive.

Mercy - NOT getting what you deserve. (Punishment)

Grace - Getting what you do NOT deserve (Salvation and forgiveness!)
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That's pretty much how I've always seen it, but when dealing with some of these posters and their 'trap' questions it's safer to make them define first their terms. :cool:
 
dcontroversal

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Jason0047 said:
Grace is only received if one is humble and penitent towards the Lord and if they desire to never sin again against Him. For the Lord will not tolerate any excuses of people saying that they will always sin at some point in the future by the fact that they cannot stop sinning. For Romans 6:14 says sin shall not have dominion over you.
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My bible teaches that Christ will NEVER leave me nor forsake me......maybe you should start believing Jesus and taking him at his word...your stance makes him out to be a liar!
 
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dcontroversal said:
My bible teaches that Christ will NEVER leave me nor forsake me......maybe you should start believing Jesus and taking him at his word...your stance makes him out to be a liar!
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Hebrews 13 is in context to the faithful believer. He will never leave the faithful believer not the rebellious believer who decides to turn away from him (by the fact that the believer chooses to remain in their sin). This is obvious by the fact that Hebrews 12:14 says that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Grace is only received if one is humble and penitent towards the Lord and if they desire to never sin again against Him. For the Lord will not tolerate any excuses of people saying that they will always sin at some point in the future by the fact that they cannot stop sinning. For Romans 6:14 says sin shall not have dominion over you.
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Where on Earth are you getting this stuff? Seriously.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Hebrews 13 is in context to the faithful believer. He will never leave the faithful believer not the rebellious believer who decides to turn away from him (by him remaining in his sin). This is obvious by the fact that Hebrews 12:14 says that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.
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You think the story of The Prodigal Son was slipped into the Bible just to fill up a few empty pages?
 
Jason0047

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Willie-T said:
Where on Earth are you getting this stuff? Seriously.
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He that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy (Proverbs 28:13). For if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). For if we walk in the light as he is in the light, then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1::7). However, he that says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4).
 
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You think the story of The Prodigal Son was slipped into the Bible just to fill up a few empty pages?
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As I said to you before, the father said that his son was "dead" twice and that he was "alive again." This means that the prodigal son was dead spiritually when he went prodigal and that he only became alive again spiritually when he came back home and was willing to be a servant instead of a son.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Grace is only received if one is humble and penitent towards the Lord and if they desire to never sin again against Him. For the Lord will not tolerate any excuses of people saying that they will always sin at some point in the future by the fact that they cannot stop sinning. For Romans 6:14 says sin shall not have dominion over you.
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The rest of that verse says.... for you are not under law but under grace...
Grace by definition is undeserved unmerited favor... it is given without reservation not because of what we have done or how we do it, it's given because of what Jesus did and how He did it. (apart from works from us)

Because of God's grace towards us because of Jesus, that's the reason He "tolerates" us
at all. :D
If you gotta be "humble" enough and "repentant" enough than grace is no longer grace... by definition.... can't be called grace any longer.

 
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dcontroversal

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Jason0047 said:
Hebrews 13 is in context to the faithful believer. He will never leave the faithful believer not the rebellious believer who decides to turn away from him (by the fact that the believer chooses to remain in their sin). This is obvious by the fact that Hebrews 12:14 says that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.
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Well this view also makes Christ out to be a liar...My bible teaches that the holiness and righteousness of God have been put to my acount by faith...and my sin and nature have been nailed to the cross with Jesus and my life is now HID within Christ....When God sees the blood he will PASSOVER.......try again slice!
 
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dcontroversal

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Willie-T said:
Where on Earth are you getting this stuff? Seriously.
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It is the doctrine that he formulated...he calls it (salvation lite) .....like a salad at Mc Donald's .....maybe it his his version of burger king theology where he wants it his way!
 
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ladylynn said:
The rest of that verse says.... for you are not under law but under grace...
Grace by definition is undeserved unmerited favor... it is given without reservation not because of what we have done or how we do it, it's given because of what Jesus did and how He did it. (apart from works from us)

If you gotta be "humble" enough and "repentant" enough than grace is no longer grace... by definition.... can't be called grace any longer.

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Paul says shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Paul answers that question with ..... "God forbid." Meaning you cannot still sin and expect grace to help you still. For Paul says, sin shall not have dominion over you. He also says that yield yourselves to whom servants that ye obey. John says that he that sins is of the devil and he that does righteousness is of God. Can someone who is of the devil (or who sins) be of in Christ's kingdom? Well, according to Matthew 13:41, this would be a.... "no."

"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;" (Matthew 13:41).

For how on Earth do you even understand that verse as saying something different than what it says?
 
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Jason0047 said:
As I said to you before, the father said that his son was "dead" twice and that he was "alive again." This means that the prodigal son was dead spiritually when he went prodigal and that he only became alive again spiritually when he came back home and was willing to be a servant instead of a son.
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More falsehoods here.......His son was ALIVE the whole time and only percieved as dead....wake up dude!
 
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Jason0047 said:
Paul says shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Paul answers that question with ..... "God forbid." Meaning you cannot still sin and expect grace to help you still. For Paul says, sin shall not have dominion over you. He also says that yield yourselves to whom servants that ye obey. John says that he that sins is of the devil and he that does righteousness is of God. Can someone who is of the devil (or who sins) be of in Christ's kingdom? Well, according to Matthew 13:41, this would be a.... "no."

"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;" (Matthew 13:41).

For how on Earth do you even understand that verse as saying something different than what it says?
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Yet Paul says that it really bugs him that even though he doesn't want to, he keeps on sinning.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Well this view also makes Christ out to be a liar...My bible teaches that the holiness and righteousness of God have been put to my acount by faith...and my sin and nature have been nailed to the cross with Jesus and my life is now HID within Christ....When God sees the blood he will PASSOVER.......try again slice!
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The blood did not get on the doorposts all by itself. It took faith for the Israelties to do that. For it was their faith in action. For Hebrews 11 talks about faith as both a belief and as an action. Even James says that faith without works is a dead kind of faith. So if one's faith is dead, can it access is the grace of God?
 
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