Creation, The Flood, And Millions Of Years

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valiant

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so your saying Jesus had to eat after he rose from the dead?


Jesus did not rise as a mortal.

God gave food for a pleasure, it did not come as a NEED until after the fall.
then why would Adam die if he did not partake of the tree of life? It seems GOD saw him as needing it.
 

valiant

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And there still has been nothing like it even today.
yes there has been nothing like the great tribulation on the Jews from creation until now. And they are still undergoing it.

And you still have context is error. For Jesus said plainly. If he did not return to earth and cut this time short. no flesh (life on earth) would survive)
LOL you are so good at adding to Scripture. What He said was that the great tribulation on the Jews would be so bad that no Jew would be saved, but that for the elects sake those days would be shortened. Thus God has preserved His elect Jews (Jewish Christians) limiting the effects somewhat of the great tribulation on them.

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yes.


This is faulty reasoning, and a faulty logic.

The disciples asked three things. Jesus answered them all. The time of the destruction of the temple was just ONE of the questions.
But Mark and Luke BOTH show that it was the main question.

The other questions were when the last days would be

and when the time of his coming would be.
True and that was tacked onto the end in the description of His coming.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jesus did not rise as a mortal.



then why would Adam die if he did not partake of the tree of life? It seems GOD saw him as needing it.
Your joking right?

Adam died because he sinned.

 
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eternally-gratefull

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well we knew Messiah would be cut off from Isaiah 53. But it is interesting that this is never cited in the New Testament. Furthermore there is disagreement among interpreters as to whom the anointed one is. So it is hardly a clear prophecy. Why do you think that Jesus and the Apostles all ignored it?

There is also disagreement as to who the prince who will come is. And as to which destruction of Jerusalem this destruction refers to. And the coming destruction of the city and the sanctuary is so often prophesied in a general way. If it had been as clear as you say there would have been total agreement. So your case fails.
there is no need for us to continue. This has got to be the one of the weekenst arguments I have ever heard.

EVERYONE knew who messiah was (are you now going to tell me there was supposed to be more than one messiah) Why did you even bring the prince up. I did not. I was speaking of one aspect of the prophesy. After 7 and 62 weeks (69 weeks) messiah will be cut off "Killed"

The literally happened.

oh and by the way Jesus did know.

He also told Jerusalem they should have known also. But he claimed that since they did not know. it was now hidden from them.

Luke 19:42
saying, “If you had known, evenyou, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.


I knew you would bring this one up. But perhaps you should now read on, for this is part of a total prophecy. It could describe any Judean king who was offering victory to his people. Kings always rode on asses in peace time. And the prophecy goes on to speak of him as cutting off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse and battle bow from Jerusalem. Furthermore in verse 13 he will stir up the sons of Zion against the sons of Greece, and it goes on to speak of a great military triumph. How is this a 'clear literal prophecy' of Jesus Christ?
Again, no need going on. I have no more need to try to show what I believe to someone who will make every excuse in the book to deny things.
 
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Elysian

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Then why did He use very specific, literal language to describe it? A day is a day is a day. He "created" by speaking: "Let there be ... and it was so." There's no mystery here, there's no hyperbole. The literal language of Genesis 1 says everything that is was spoken into existence in a literal six days.

Actually, your interpretation would be the incorrect one. The language forbids any understanding but a literal one. You don't want to believe He did it in six days, and the real question then becomes, "Why?"

Everything you said in this post is to counter Bud's clear delineation of God's word. Why is it so hard, as Bud has said from the outset, for "old Earthers" to accept that God has the power to simply speak to create? And why would He do anything less than that?

Because they lack faith 'Viligant warrior'.Instead of putting the word of God over their intellect they choose to have their intellect dictate Gods word .
 
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Tintin

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Because they lack faith 'Viligant warrior'.Instead of putting the word of God over their intellect they choose to have their intellect dictate Gods word .
Rubbish. A plain reading allowing for figurative language (where context decides it) is best.
 

valiant

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there is no need for us to continue. This has got to be the one of the weekenst arguments I have ever heard.

EVERYONE knew who messiah was (are you now going to tell me there was supposed to be more than one messiah)



there were many anointed ones. all priests were anointed ones. some think that it refers to Onias III.

By the way the Dead Sea Scrolls do speak of two Messiahs LOL



Why did you even bring the prince up. I did not. I was speaking of one aspect of the prophesy. After 7 and 62 weeks (69 weeks) messiah will be cut off "Killed"

The literally happened.

but it is not 'a clear prophecy which has been fulfilled'. It is never claimed that it was fulfilled. if it was so clear there would not be disagreement about it.


oh and by the way Jesus did know.

He also told Jerusalem they should have known also. But he claimed that since they did not know. it was now hidden from them.
LOL are you being serious. No doubt you will cite where Jesus referred to Daniel 9?

Luke 19:42
saying, “If you had known, evenyou, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.
LOL that is the corniest explanation I have yet come across.

Again, no need going on. I have no more need to try to show what I believe to someone who will make every excuse in the book to deny things.
you claimed that there were many clear prophecies with clear fulfilments. I asked for five. you produced two which turned out not to be as clear as you thought they were. you just ignore the contexts. as I pointed out to you. But I can understand why you are giving up lol. at least you've learned something.
 
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tanach

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Before the ark was ready to receive its passengers did the Slow Loris, Tortoise and those down under get an early alarm call?
 
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Tintin

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Before the ark was ready to receive its passengers did the Slow Loris, Tortoise and those down under get an early alarm call?
There was no Down Under. The earth was most likely one super continent before the Flood (the continental drift happened during it). And Noah and his family had around 70 years to build the ark and plenty of time to organise the animals that God brought to them. Around 2,000 animal kinds. It would've been a huge task to look after them all, but it would've been possible.
 
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tanach

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TinTin My last entry was meant to be light hearted.
 

valiant

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Your joking right?

Adam died because he sinned.

yes because having sinned he was deprived of the tree of life.

its amazing how you 'literalists' refuse to accept what is literally said because it goes against your theories.


'lest he eat of the tree of life and live for ever'. that is clear evidence that if he did not eat of it he would die. but no, can't have that. its not what you've been taught LOL
 

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Again, the day of the Lord, prophetically speaking, is 1,000 years long whereas a literal day is but 24 hours in duration.
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For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

-the day of the lord, it is a year long, and preceeds right before the second comming of Christ.

14The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice
of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
15That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation,
a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come

-I believe theres 3 and half year tribulation not 7 years.
tribulation=2 and a half years as Jacobs troubles, and one year as day of the Lord.

- Jesus first 3 and half year ministery.


Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down.
And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

He stop reading just there, close the book, and sit down.

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
And here is where He stopped reading in mid sentence.
Now the passage He quoted continues...

and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.



[Isaiah 14:7] The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

-this promised rest begins after satan is locked up for 1000 years,

a mystery all creatation finally is at-one-ment with God.


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