For the moment you hoard a bunch of useless junk that does not fulfill a basic need, then you are witholding money that could be given for God's purposes and plans for your own selfish reasons. Comparing the basic needs between a technological flourishing culture versus one that is not flourshing technologically is not a good example to prove the case in hoarding riches. Both cultures are meeting basic needs and they are not hoarding a bunch of junk unless certain individuals in that culture were to start in doing such a thing. For one could be rich even back in Bible times. How was this possible? By hoarding a bunch of things that they really did not need.
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i think Jesus meant exactly what He said. i dont think He was being deceitful, exaggerating or using hyperbole, these are tools of Satan, not Jesus.
this is my understanding of the passage. rich people are consumed with their riches. they devoted all their time to getting there, no time for friends, family or the Lord. their cup is full and theirs no room left for the Lord.
makes perfect sense to me.
this is my understanding of the passage. rich people are consumed with their riches. they devoted all their time to getting there, no time for friends, family or the Lord. their cup is full and theirs no room left for the Lord.
makes perfect sense to me.
J
Being rich can better enable bad habits that can be bought with a person who has a decent amount of cash and they can buy it whenever. But it doesn't make evil apparent as compared to someone who is poor.
You see homeless people who often turn to drugs and alcohol when they have the chance instead of using the little money people might give them to help them get food and a temporary roof over their head. You see people who just about have enough to pay their bills that can still go into debt if they spend more than what they can afford or pay back. The only difference between the rich and poor for when they use money to obtain these idols is that one can easily obtain and have it last longer than the other.
You see homeless people who often turn to drugs and alcohol when they have the chance instead of using the little money people might give them to help them get food and a temporary roof over their head. You see people who just about have enough to pay their bills that can still go into debt if they spend more than what they can afford or pay back. The only difference between the rich and poor for when they use money to obtain these idols is that one can easily obtain and have it last longer than the other.
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uh huh...and of course that seems to mean that you think Jesus fancied a camel going through the eye of a needle to get to heaven
it's just plain weird how you or anyone else can come back with you don't think Jesus was being deceiful, or was he exaggerating or using hyperbole
The ONLY word used by me, was hyperbole and that is not a tool of Satan
A tool of Satan would be lambasting other believers who happen to understand something way better then you do and put it out there knowing full well someone was going to come along and scream 'satan is in the house!'
no...satan is not in this house or my house and prob not even in yours...however you have a total lack of desregard for the setting, the time and the Jewish culture and the fact Jesus came to his own...
Perfect sense to one person is just plain silly and fear mongering and ignorance tooting to another
A fear response is often engendered when the risk of having one's own interpretation is kicked wide open and the light of perhaps a better understanding comes calling
nothing new
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Don't you find it odd how much you sound like Judas thinking that the perfume poured out on Jesus could have been sold and the money given to the poor?
1Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.2Here a dinner was given in Jesus’ honor. Martha served, while Lazarus was among those reclining at the table with him.3Then Mary took about a pint[SUP]a[/SUP] of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.4But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5“Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.[SUP]b[/SUP] ” 6He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.7“Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. 8You will always have the poor among you,[SUP]c[/SUP] but you will not always have me.”
Frankly, you can go live in a cave if you think the god you believe in has called you to that...but you absolutely CANNOT have the mind of the Lord for every person here and since you do not have an accepted understanding for scripture, you cannot throw cherry picked verses at anyone either.
If Peter told Ananias the money he got for the sale of his property was ALL his to keep, who are YOU, Jason, to say otherwise?
1Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.2Here a dinner was given in Jesus’ honor. Martha served, while Lazarus was among those reclining at the table with him.3Then Mary took about a pint[SUP]a[/SUP] of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.4But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5“Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.[SUP]b[/SUP] ” 6He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.7“Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. 8You will always have the poor among you,[SUP]c[/SUP] but you will not always have me.”
Frankly, you can go live in a cave if you think the god you believe in has called you to that...but you absolutely CANNOT have the mind of the Lord for every person here and since you do not have an accepted understanding for scripture, you cannot throw cherry picked verses at anyone either.
If Peter told Ananias the money he got for the sale of his property was ALL his to keep, who are YOU, Jason, to say otherwise?
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He was making a point that makes perfect sense to me. i thought i explained it in the response. here is another example of what i see in that teaching. you have a rich man that has everything, several homes, exotic cars, servants that wait on him and all the rest of it, then you have a poor guy that has little to nothing. which one spendds more time dwelling on our Lord and spirituality?
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there must be an echo in here...someone else said the same thing...oh wait that was you
nothing's changed
you don't understand what Jesus said...I hope I have said that plainer now
Jesus was saying that a person cannot earn their way to heaven...but with God nothing is impossible...meaning God will make a way (which of course He did)
go read some commentaries...several they will all say the same thing though...check it out in Greek and learn about the audience Jesus was speaking to
and finally...don't pop a verse out of its setting....you will never understand what is really being said
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Drum roll please...........and heeeeere's Jason with another whine
That's spelled whine folks and not wine so don't get any ideas
Let me refresh your memory since we had this discussion
What you are calling a personal attack, is someone who refutes your unbiblical doctrine
You do not respond to scripture yet you toss out your cherry picked verses like blossoms at a wedding
How about Peter telling Ananias ALL the money was His to keep? Peter did not even tell him to give 10%..
If Peter did not say he had to give all his money, why do YOU? are you a higher authority than scripture?
You have the truth spelled out for you and you trample it and claim personal attack
A personal attack would be someone calling you names or perhaps car bombing your place of work
You said almost verbatin what Judas said about money and you don't find that ... well...downright odd?
J
thats right, nothing has changed your still ignoring the reality of things
if i am so wrong why do you not dispure what i said? if rich people are so much more spiritual than the poor then why do they need the riches in the first place? its ok i know you wont answer that.
people obsessed with riches back then are no different than those today.
i guess no matter how many ways i explain it your not gonna get it. or see it. no worries.
if i am so wrong why do you not dispure what i said? if rich people are so much more spiritual than the poor then why do they need the riches in the first place? its ok i know you wont answer that.
people obsessed with riches back then are no different than those today.
i guess no matter how many ways i explain it your not gonna get it. or see it. no worries.
J
yeah i thnk someone mentioned it and we been butting heads over its meaning. welcome to CC.
i think its a big deal cause of all the problems it causes. its a false security. how many times do we hear people say they want to help but have no money, people are starving but wheres the money gonna come from. if you want to help someone find out what they need and help em, if someone needs food take em food. people obsess over money, something that has no independent reality of its own. money makes the world go around, im shocked at how many really believe that.
i think its a big deal cause of all the problems it causes. its a false security. how many times do we hear people say they want to help but have no money, people are starving but wheres the money gonna come from. if you want to help someone find out what they need and help em, if someone needs food take em food. people obsess over money, something that has no independent reality of its own. money makes the world go around, im shocked at how many really believe that.
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jaybird88 I agree with you on that.....so here is a example of money we know that the US deficit is in the trillions....do you know how much a trillion dollars is......if you spent I million dollars a day from the time of Jesus's birth till now you wouldn't touch it.. so how will we ever pay it off?