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K
Yes as that is the only way to look at it because a system can not be cast into the lake of fire, only the individuals who either lead or followed that system. And we can tell by Revelation the beast and false prophet are two separate individuals because there are still people left on earth that go through the millennial after they have been cast away into the lake of fire.
B
That's right. You can compare it with the two witnesses who will come on the scene led by God's Spirit (2 + 1 = 3) and Satan has its beast (Antichrist) and its false prophet led by Satan's spirit (2 + 1 = 3). Also, Daniel said to king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon 'You ARE this head of gold'. We know that the lion beast corresponds with the gold and the gold corresponds with king Nebuchadnezzar. The same can be said about all the other kingdoms. Alexander the great conquered the whole then-known world in a matter of a few years and that's why HE is called the leopard. The final beast will be the person who will bring back to life the beast that had received a deadly wound. I'm not calling names here, but Rev 13:2 says it will control ancient Babylon, ancient Greece and ancient Persia! Clear as a whistle. At some level I just can't wait for it to happen but on the other hand we know that these will be the most horrible times mankind has ever seen.
I'm still waiting for that scripture you claim you posted showing how antichrist is a single man figure yet to come in the future. I have already shown by many verses of scripture that antichrist is a spirit that works in many deceivers. As I've also shown by scripture that Jesus and the apostles said there would be many false prophets showing signs and wonders.
So your view has 0 scriptural basis, but mine is right in line with scripture, as I confirmed it by scripture.
So your view has 0 scriptural basis, but mine is right in line with scripture, as I confirmed it by scripture.
K
I'm still waiting for that scripture you claim you posted showing how antichrist is a single man figure yet to come in the future. I have already shown by many verses of scripture that antichrist is a spirit that works in many deceivers. As I've also shown by scripture that Jesus and the apostles said there would be many false prophets showing signs and wonders.
So your view has 0 scriptural basis, but mine is right in line with scripture, as I confirmed it by scripture.
So your view has 0 scriptural basis, but mine is right in line with scripture, as I confirmed it by scripture.
Then once again you have not read what I and others have shown you by your response here.
You do know the prophecies in the bible call him the king of the north, and when he comes on the scene he will uproot 3 other kings ???
Nobody is rejecting the spirit of antichrist working in the world, but you still want to reject is the fact that he still takes form in individuals, and there will be one final individual form he will take. The bible in Revelation and Ezekiel 38 shows the area where he will come from; Turkey.
I'm still waiting for that scripture you claim you posted showing how antichrist is a single man figure yet to come in the future. I have already shown by many verses of scripture that antichrist is a spirit that works in many deceivers. As I've also shown by scripture that Jesus and the apostles said there would be many false prophets showing signs and wonders.
So your view has 0 scriptural basis, but mine is right in line with scripture, as I confirmed it by scripture.
So your view has 0 scriptural basis, but mine is right in line with scripture, as I confirmed it by scripture.
Heres your SCRIPTURES! This is scriptural basis
... THE antichrist is NOT the same as the "spirit of antichrist" which is has been prevalent since Christ time on earth...."Then I stood on the sand of the sea.
And I saw a beast (Satan’s Antichrist)
rising up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns,
and on his horns ten crowns,
(The book of Daniel explains these represent 10 nations he will rule)
and on his heads a blasphemous name . . .
The dragon (Satan) gave him his power,
his throne, and great authority."
(Revelation 13:1,2)
"The coming of the lawless one (the coming 'Antichrist')
is according to the working of Satan,
with all power, signs (miracles), and lying wonders"
(2 Thessalonians 2:9-10)
"It was granted to him to make war with the saints
and to overcome them (he will slaughter millions).
And authority was given him
over every tribe, tongue, and nation."
(This "leader" will dominate "World" governments)
(Revelation 13:7)
"Then the king (Antichrist) shall do according to his own will:
he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god,
shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods,
and shall prosper until theWrath (God's wrath) has been accomplished;
for what has been determined shall be done. (The coming "Apocalypse"...)
He shall regard neither the God of his fathers
NOR the desire of women, (he may aggressively promote the "homosexual" agenda ...)
nor regard any god;
for he shall exalt himself above them all."
(Daniel 11:36-37)
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K
I'm still waiting for that scripture you claim you posted showing how antichrist is a single man figure yet to come in the future. I have already shown by many verses of scripture that antichrist is a spirit that works in many deceivers. As I've also shown by scripture that Jesus and the apostles said there would be many false prophets showing signs and wonders.
So your view has 0 scriptural basis, but mine is right in line with scripture, as I confirmed it by scripture.
So your view has 0 scriptural basis, but mine is right in line with scripture, as I confirmed it by scripture.
That and you only confirmed it by scriptures in your mind as me and others have shown you in the past that you are mixing scriptures that speak of different things to make them all speak of the same. You have used physical temple scriptures and mixed them with scriptures about a spiritual temple for example.
Heres your SCRIPTURES! This is scriptural basis
... THE antichrist is NOT the same as the "spirit of antichrist" which is has been prevalent since Christ time on earth...."Then I stood on the sand of the sea.
And I saw a beast (Satan’s Antichrist)
rising up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns,
and on his horns ten crowns,
(The book of Daniel explains these represent 10 nations he will rule)
and on his heads a blasphemous name . . .
The dragon (Satan) gave him his power,
his throne, and great authority."
(Revelation 13:1,2)
"The coming of the lawless one (the coming 'Antichrist')
is according to the working of Satan,
with all power, signs (miracles), and lying wonders"
(2 Thessalonians 2:9-10)
"It was granted to him to make war with the saints
and to overcome them (he will slaughter millions).
And authority was given him
over every tribe, tongue, and nation."
(This "leader" will dominate "World" governments)
(Revelation 13:7)
"Then the king (Antichrist) shall do according to his own will:
he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god,
shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods,
and shall prosper until theWrath (God's wrath) has been accomplished;
for what has been determined shall be done. (The coming "Apocalypse"...)
He shall regard neither the God of his fathers
NOR the desire of women, (he may aggressively promote the "homosexual" agenda ...)
nor regard any god;
for he shall exalt himself above them all."
(Daniel 11:36-37)
K
The problem you have is that there will be one final individual.
Nobody is rejecting the individuals that spirit of antichrist has already worked in such as Hitler, Stalin, and others. But the fact still remains from biblical scriptures there will be one last final figure he will be in, and this last final figure the 1st beast of Revelation 13 will persecute and kill Christians and Jews for 3 1/2 years.
There will be no time in history worst then this period of time, and once again by the Jewish calendar; time, times, and half a time, 42 months, and 1,260 days are all equal to 3 1/2 years.
Nobody is rejecting the individuals that spirit of antichrist has already worked in such as Hitler, Stalin, and others. But the fact still remains from biblical scriptures there will be one last final figure he will be in, and this last final figure the 1st beast of Revelation 13 will persecute and kill Christians and Jews for 3 1/2 years.
There will be no time in history worst then this period of time, and once again by the Jewish calendar; time, times, and half a time, 42 months, and 1,260 days are all equal to 3 1/2 years.
I know of your doctrine Ken as I've heard it all before, and it's not even yours but what you learned and received from other carnally minded men. Your doctrine has so many errors in it because it is of men who do not understand the spiritual things of God. I won't even continue on with all your other assumptions and errors because you cannot get past the very first error in your doctrine. And that error is believing that antichrist is a single man figure yet to come in the future.
Instead of people looking for a single evil man figure yet to come, they need to be looking within themselves and see who is sitting the temple of their own bodies before it's too late.
Instead of people looking for a single evil man figure yet to come, they need to be looking within themselves and see who is sitting the temple of their own bodies before it's too late.
K
Well do not speak for me because I do not have the spirit of antichrist in me !!!
I think you need to go back and do some more reading if that is what you think that we all have this spirit in us.
The bible makes it clear that only those who reject Jesus as the Son of God have this spirit, and I do not reject that so you are off the mark as usual. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God, that He came and died for my sins and rose on the third day. I also by love defend His words from the bible and will have no respect for those and what they try to teach who claim I do not !!!
Putting condemning titles on others is not by the fruits of the Holy Spirit, as we are not called to do that to others but instead by love are to edify one another.............
I didn't say you had the spirit of antichrist in you, but you have rejected the words of the Lord I've shown you concerning the spirit of antichrist not being a single man figure yet to come in the future, you reject the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple mount and the 70 weeks as being fulfilled, which in turn rejects the covenant confirmed by Jesus in that 70th week, and you also rejected the words of the Lord which said the Prince of this world (the Devil) had come already.
I've shown you all these things by scripture, but you have pretty much said all these things are yet to be fulfilled, which in fact the words of the Lord say differently.
So to reject the words of the Lord is to also reject Jesus Christ, because He is the Word of God. But like I said before, you have been warned.
I've shown you all these things by scripture, but you have pretty much said all these things are yet to be fulfilled, which in fact the words of the Lord say differently.
So to reject the words of the Lord is to also reject Jesus Christ, because He is the Word of God. But like I said before, you have been warned.
K
I told you in the other thread I am done talking to you because you make false assumptions and do not even read what others give you.
You have only shown me your interpretation of scripture that I reject and have shown you a couple times how you were wrong, but instead you keep coming back saying I am rejecting His word.
I have done no such thing of rejecting His words, just reject your interpretation of them that is off the mark as you are following the reformed theology even though you will not admit it.
Even the first original Apostles and their understudies of the 1st century of the church taught on one final end times figure that will come in the end times that you continue to reject. I can and have posted in the past 1st century writings from the early church that shows what I am speaking on is biblically sound.
F
Thanks for your help Is.
I was communicating to the person called Valiant. As the XIII can indicate, there were more than one Gregorys. The very first one, because he was such a successful administrator, is credited by many (including me) as signaling the beginning of Catholicism. As a large hierarchy to which Christians or 'Christians' submitted. Here's a bio of him from the internet:
Pope Gregory I, commonly known as Saint Gregory the Great, was Pope from 3 September 590 to his death in 604. Gregory is well known for his writings, which were more prolific than those of any of his predecessors as pope. He is also known as St. Gregory the Dialogist in Eastern Christianity because of his Dialogues. For this reason, English translations of Eastern texts will sometimes list him as "Gregory Dialogus".
That makes sense.
Since I wrote it.
But it is based on the text which is Daniel 9:24-27. If you have it, I encourage you to read and interpret
it also. For example 26 mentions Messiah being cut off after 62 weeks. (Which = after 69 weeks, since 7 of
the weeks already came before the 62 in the text.) Since that happened in the past (AD 30ish), and since
24 says the entire 70 sevens are for Daniel's people, that is the basis for my interpretation:
God finished doing 69 of the sevens toward Israel in AD 30, when Messiah was crucified.
The rest of my interpretation: All that's left is for them to be born-again as a nation,
is based on the fact that God loves Israel and is not finished with them as a nation.
Per Isaiah and Zechariah and Daniel..........but summarized by Paul in Romans 11.
Where he writes that all Israel will be saved. In Zechariah 11--14 Israel is not only
rescued physically from armies, but is also born of God by---each and everyone of them,
the survivors---recognizing their real Messiah, whom they pierced (whom their forefathers
crucified). I'm not aware of anything else Scripturally (or apart from Scripture) that is more
important for Israel than this. Thanks
I was communicating to the person called Valiant. As the XIII can indicate, there were more than one Gregorys. The very first one, because he was such a successful administrator, is credited by many (including me) as signaling the beginning of Catholicism. As a large hierarchy to which Christians or 'Christians' submitted. Here's a bio of him from the internet:
Pope Gregory I, commonly known as Saint Gregory the Great, was Pope from 3 September 590 to his death in 604. Gregory is well known for his writings, which were more prolific than those of any of his predecessors as pope. He is also known as St. Gregory the Dialogist in Eastern Christianity because of his Dialogues. For this reason, English translations of Eastern texts will sometimes list him as "Gregory Dialogus".
That makes sense.
Since I wrote it.
But it is based on the text which is Daniel 9:24-27. If you have it, I encourage you to read and interpret
it also. For example 26 mentions Messiah being cut off after 62 weeks. (Which = after 69 weeks, since 7 of
the weeks already came before the 62 in the text.) Since that happened in the past (AD 30ish), and since
24 says the entire 70 sevens are for Daniel's people, that is the basis for my interpretation:
God finished doing 69 of the sevens toward Israel in AD 30, when Messiah was crucified.
The rest of my interpretation: All that's left is for them to be born-again as a nation,
is based on the fact that God loves Israel and is not finished with them as a nation.
Per Isaiah and Zechariah and Daniel..........but summarized by Paul in Romans 11.
Where he writes that all Israel will be saved. In Zechariah 11--14 Israel is not only
rescued physically from armies, but is also born of God by---each and everyone of them,
the survivors---recognizing their real Messiah, whom they pierced (whom their forefathers
crucified). I'm not aware of anything else Scripturally (or apart from Scripture) that is more
important for Israel than this. Thanks
K
Early Church Fathers on the Timing of the Rise of Antichrist
The early church fathers taught on a final end times figure...........
The early church fathers taught on a final end times figure...........
