Are Many Spirit Filled, ie Spreak in Tongues on this site ??

[resurrection33]

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth..................(according to the word, how to)...

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

how to obtain..acts 2v38 Repent..(babys cant)..Be Baptized..(Full Immersion Greek meaning)..(This is your part)..(ask and keep on asking for) Receive the Holy Ghost...( GODS Part through Jesus Christ)...

and much more...............

I think the original purpose of speaking in tongues was that people who spoke one language could spread the gospel to people who spoke another language. If that is still the purpose, then it doesn’t make sense to me to speak in tongues unless someone is present who understands what you are saying, who wouldn’t otherwise understand. I think that is what Paul was referring to when he wrote this:

[27] If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret.
[28] But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 1 Cor 14:27-28 RSV

 

[Saint-John]

Hi All, wow,thanks for your replies, sorry I only have slow modem and limited time,
didnt think there was that much confussion ..

Tongues is only one of the signs that JESUS warned his disciples would accompany true believers !! (you get them ALL, you get better at some to use in the CHURCH ,Corinthians mentions there correct usage even TODAY ! )

but it is usually the first Holy Ghost response upon receiving...SPIRITUAL PAYER... MUST (John 4.24) undifiled by natural mind..which is were anti Christ comments against such anointing come..

Theology and Religion..using just bits and pieces to justify NOT GETTING with the program dont cut it ..!

Just do as he said and recieve !? its free (by the Grace of God) he adds his FAITH to your mustard seed and ALL things become Possible !!

 

[Saint-John]

What is the purpose of tongues?

TO WORSHIP GOD IN THE SPIRIT...MUST(john 4.24)

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

 

[Saint-John]

So, now that this is four pages of how people feel about tongues, did you ever find out if you're the only spirit-filled on this site? And, if you did, do you still think the only ones spirit-filled are tongue-talkers?

no tongues (no spiritual prayer as prescribed by Jesus Christ) = no Spirit , non of his !

 

[atwhatcost]

no tongues (no spiritual prayer as prescribed by Jesus Christ) = no Spirit , non of his !

Yeah, okay. Hopefully when you grow up in the Lord you'll learn better. It took me six years to grow out of that. According to your profile, it's been 20 years. Some of us are just slow learners. Meanwhile, don't think you have the gift of teaching either, because you really don't.

 

[kaylagrl]

Wow, am I shocked, I didn't get an answer from anyone. I guess their off PMing each other in tongues. It's possible, all you do is let your cat walk all over your keyboard.

Tongues is a gift and I and many others know it to be real.Please do not make fun of such a serious thing.

 

[kaylagrl]

The purpose of tongues is not to edify the body of Christ but it's to edify the person thats speaking. Its to build you up in the spirit. Its a conversation between you and the Lord.

Its also a sign to unbelievers....

 

[MyLighthouse]

You say:



So, from the utterances of people that speak in tongues, what kind of information is being imparted?

Depends, if praying it's just speaking to God which can be found in 1 Cor 14. Then there's the other which is actually prophesy because it speaks to man which again can be found in 1 Cor 14 but also on the day of Pentecost which can be found in Acts 2.
*too lazy to copy and paste verses but if you need them I'll get them for you

 

[Saint-John]

Tongues is a must..( Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth............ok so far !? so according to the truth how...

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

Direct personal ( in your closet type) payer to GOD not defiled mens languages..!
Just get what Jesus said ..!! why kick against him its free by the Grace of God ..

dont mix up with how the CHURCH is run ..

1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: yes ALL could its taken for granted..BUT IN THE CHURCH no more than 3 then the corresponding interpretation..then 2 or 3 gifts of prophecy...etc...your church is run this way..!? isnt it..!????

 

[fredjames]

Pride seeks a title, and it is the Lord who gives such. There are people in the body of Christ who may be apostles, prophets, teachers, and evangelists but do you address them as such? Teacher so and so, prophet so and so, or apostle so and so? I like how one evangelist described those who tell others to address them as prophet so and so. "Prophet Ick" Get it? Prophetic.

Do you seek a title, or do you seek to serve? Is it the title that appeals to you, or the service of which you provide? Paul, the apostle, indeed was an apostle but surely his title did not define him as much as what he did. It is the Lord who gives the office, and we should honor that, and the person that the Lord has chosen for that particular purpose. However, addressing Paul as Apostle Paul in quoting what he says in the Word makes no difference in what was said, only that Paul said it. That an apostle said it makes no difference in the matter. Its in the Word, and thats what makes it matter.

Don't worry, however, I do say apostle Paul sometimes and at other times in my sentences I say Paul. Paul witnessed early on people arguing over who was greater than the other, by which gifts they had. Surely he could care less to be addressed as "Apostle" and would much rather be described as a servant of the Lord, among fellow servants.

I understand what you are saying, but do not think I mean any disrespect in writing Paul instead of Apostle Paul. It is only a convenience to not have to write out apostle every time I say Paul. The Apostle Paul, or Paul, said in the NT, is ever so clear to who I am quoting. Describing him as apostle or not, does not take away from the words he spoke, they are in the Word. To be honest, however, when I am speaking of the apostle Paul, I think I usually do reference him as apostle. So, maybe you just caught my rare post where I didn't post it as such. Anyhow, maybe we can get back to the topic at hand?

What a 'way' to cover your 'track' of 'lawlessness', when you have already been 'exposed'.

As it is written;

"You will know them by their fruit."

What a 'deceiving way' to redirect the 'attention', required in 'truth testimony' about Apostle Paul, the Gentile Christian's 'mentor' and including other as well, who are chosen personally by CHRIST, in order to continue after HIM to 'built up' HIS church and with the church others, towards me.

In yours earlier and some others who 'testify' Grace and Truth, refer him as only p/Paul, some in small letter 'p' and some in big letter 'P', and moreover some refers him as p/Pauline. And you after 'highlighting' a similarity of disrespectful manner in addressing an Apostle of CHRIST in a 'lame' way, you redirect in 'vain' the 'attention' towards those who have just 'served' to 'highlight' mistakes that can be improvised by 'humbly' testifying 'spiritual knowledge faith', as it is written' and 'given' as our Covenant.

Therefore with no guilt and remorse, you also boldly 'added' now in your 'reply' the 'word' apostle and yet with a small letter 'a', and calling us to 'perceive' that's what you 'meant' all along.

Please remember that you and others are not on their own 'witnessing', because there are also others who are 'witnessing' in the Church between the 'spirit of truth' and the 'spirit of error'.

We speak in 'service', using the 'word/teaching' of GOD through CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT, as 'a reminder' and 'astir up of memory' for believers not be in 'ignorance'.

We too also 'apologize' to all if we ourselves have done so.

GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forgive you and bless you.

 

[MarcR]

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth..................(according to the word, how to)...

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

how to obtain..acts 2v38 Repent..(babys cant)..Be Baptized..(Full Immersion Greek meaning)..(This is your part)..(ask and keep on asking for) Receive the Holy Ghost...( GODS Part through Jesus Christ)...

and much more...............

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

These signs shall follow them that believe does not say, nor does it mean, that any believer should follow the signs.

Each, and all of these signs did in fact manifest themselves in the early church; but none of them manifested themselves universally in the church at any time in history; and none of them were taught to or urged upon members of the early church. In 2Cor chapters 12 and 14 Paul specifically teaches against emphasis on tongues.

 

[convallaria]

[QUOTE
At the same time, if the gift of speaking in tongues were active in the church today, it would be performed in agreement with Scripture. It would be a real and intelligible language (1 Corinthians 14:10). It would be for the purpose of communicating God's Word with a person of another language (Acts 2:6-12). It would be in agreement with the command God gave through the apostle Paul, “If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God” (1 Corinthians 14:27-28). It would also be in accordance with 1 Corinthians 14:33, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”

An "unknown tongue" is obviously not a known language and it obviously IS in agreement with scripture:

1 Cor 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Virtually the whole of 1 Cor 14 deals with the subject of unknown tongues AS OPPOSED to known languages.

Clearly there is evidence of a special case, that at pentecost those assembled heard the believers speaking in their own language. But you can't throw out the chapter above which says there are unknown tongues also. Paul speaks of divers tongues, so there is more to it than what you posted here.

You can't make a claim that the "vast majority of believers who claim to practice the gift of speaking in tongues do not do so in agreement with the Scriptures mentioned above. " How could you possibly know that? It is rubbish.

People really shouldn't attempt to teach what they do not know.

 

[convallaria]

Are they 'edifying' to you 'only', as they have 'spoken', without 'interpretation', according to the 'written' Holy Scripture?

'I understand', therefore it is your 'own' belief?

We all need personal spiritual edification. How could anyone believe otherwise?

1 Cor 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

This simply draws the distinction between these two kinds of tongues: the personal tongue gift and that which is to be spoken as prophecy in the congregation.

Spiritual edification is building ourselves up spiritually through praying in the Spirit, e.g. tongues: it is not the same as boasting or PUFFING ourselves up:

Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, (21) Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

So praying in the Spirit keeps us in the love of God, conscious of the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, which gives us eternal continuance with Him.

Edification has the same root as edifice, which means a solid building: it is real, you can touch it and feel it and it lasts forever. Puffing up by contrast suggests something like a balloon or a paper bag that can be inflated for a short time, but easily burst.

Don't we want to have the kind of faith that is solid and indestructible, furnishing us with what we need to continue into eternity? If yes, then don't keep maligning the Giver (God) the gift (of tongues) or those of God's children who have received it.

 

[fredjames]

Speaking in tongue is a beautiful and great gift. It is evidence of one being filled with the holy spirit! It is used to strengten your spirit man, and I'm very grateful for it!!!

Nevertheless 'without interpretation', if one or many continue to speak from their mouth in 'a gathering', only 'edify them-self' and are practicing 'lawlessness', in ignorance and disregarding the written 'justification' of the New Covenant/Testament/Agreement regarding this matter, which GOD already made HIS Covenant with HIS Churches, even today, according to 1 Corinthians chapter 14, not to continue doing so.

For such 'self practice' in 'spiritual gift' speaking in unknown tongue without 'interpretation', that which does not 'edify' others, also fellow believers of CHRIST in the same Church, where they also possess other 'distributed gifts' as follows written in chapter 12, distributed by the HOLY SPIRIT Himself, is not permitted at all to be practiced.

But they are permitted do so in 'speaking in unknown tongues' with 'interpretation', interpreted in common human tongue understood by everyone, and also only 'two or three' may speak at one time and while others who speak in same unknown tongues, take turns. So that all the others according chapter 12, with various 'distributed gifts' present there together understand in common human tongue the interpretation of the 'unknown utterance', intercession with GOD, and at the end , altogether are able to say, Amen, and therefore all are 'edified'.

The 'distributed gifts' given to all believers is to 'built up' others and not one-'self'.

GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[fredjames]

Actually I simply responded to YOUR fruit as others do from time to time


Please note, it's not very edifying responding to or receiving anything thing from you so that will be why you do not have an answer back from me after you post your next silly attempt at being spiritual

If you do not have Scripture to support what you are saying about me, in order to 'justify' they are of Grace and Truth 'conviction', therefore have come from your carnal/flesh/self/s passion and desire fruit.

According to 1 Corinthians chapter 14, speaking in unknown tongues interceding with GOD in Heaven, without 'interpretation' only 'edify' oneself. but with 'interpretation' edifies the Church.

Prophesying on the other hand 'built up' the Church.

Sorry to say this honestly, you still sound as 'an outsider to me'.

GOD forgive you and bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[fredjames]

We all need personal spiritual edification. How could anyone believe otherwise?

1 Cor 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

This simply draws the distinction between these two kinds of tongues: the personal tongue gift and that which is to be spoken as prophecy in the congregation.

Spiritual edification is building ourselves up spiritually through praying in the Spirit, e.g. tongues: it is not the same as boasting or PUFFING ourselves up:

Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, (21) Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

So praying in the Spirit keeps us in the love of God, conscious of the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, which gives us eternal continuance with Him.

Edification has the same root as edifice, which means a solid building: it is real, you can touch it and feel it and it lasts forever. Puffing up by contrast suggests something like a balloon or a paper bag that can be inflated for a short time, but easily burst.

Don't we want to have the kind of faith that is solid and indestructible, furnishing us with what we need to continue into eternity? If yes, then don't keep maligning the Giver (God) the gift (of tongues) or those of God's children who have received it.

If there is no 'interpretation' in what you are 'praying' in the 'spirit', in the presence of the Church, therefore remain 'silent' and pray in your heart between you and GOD. Only with 'interpretation' in everyone's understanding language, therefore at the end of the prayer with interpretation, the whole Church together may say, Amen.

Please do not ignorantly 'mix and match' speaking in unknown tongue and prophesying. Prophesying according to ! Corinthians 14;5,6 is 'apart', as it is written;

"5. Now I want all of you to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater then the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets so that the church may be built up. 6. Now brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless i bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?"

When Apostle Paul say that sometime he prays in the spirit and sometimes he prays in the mind, meaning for example, when i pray in the spirit, i pray in unknown tongues and when i pray in the mind, i pray in the common human language taught by the HOLY SPIRIT in spiritual knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE the 'daily prayer' and henceforth, that;

"Our FATHER who art in Heaven. ..........................................................................."

GOD bless you all in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[jb]

Yeah, okay. Hopefully when you grow up in the Lord you'll learn better. It took me six years to grow out of that. According to your profile, it's been 20 years. Some of us are just slow learners. Meanwhile, don't think you have the gift of teaching either, because you really don't.

Paul thought VERY highly of the gift of tongues and used it extensively in his private prayer life (Rom 8v26,27, 1Cor 2v12,13, 14v2,4, Jude v20,21):

"I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all" (1Cor 14v18)

When Paul wrote this he had been a Christian (saved) over 20 years, and indeed his diligent use of the gift of tongues in his private prayer life was the secret of his great ministry; I'm glad Paul didn't "grow out of it" or the Body of Christ would NOT now have his wonderful epistles that make up so much of the New Testament Scriptures! 2Cor 12v11,12

PS: I've been saved almost 33 years and been baptised in the Holy Spirit and exercising the gift of tongues almost 32, in that time I have never used the gift of tongues as a sign to an unbeliever (as on the Day of Pentecost, Acts 2v7,8, with Mark 16v17, 1Cor 14v22) and only rarely exercised the ministry of the gift of tongues for interpretation (1Cor 12v30, 14v27), however I do use the gift of tongues often in my daily prayer life, indeed it is invaluable to me and I would so much poorer (spiritually) without it!

You might want to have a look at the 2 studies I posted linked to in my post Here in Post #73...

Yahweh Shalom

 

[kaylagrl]

Paul thought VERY highly of the gift of tongues and used it extensively in his private prayer life (Rom 8v26,27, 1Cor 2v12,13, 14v2,4, Jude v20,21):

"I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all" (1Cor 14v18)

When Paul wrote this he had been a Christian (saved) over 20 years, and indeed his diligent use of the gift of tongues in his private prayer life was the secret of his great ministry; I'm glad Paul didn't "grow out of it" or the Body of Christ would NOT now have his wonderful epistles that make up so much of the New Testament Scriptures! 2Cor 12v11,12

PS: I've been saved almost 33 years and been baptised in the Holy Spirit and exercising the gift of tongues almost 32, in that time I have never used the gift of tongues as a sign to an unbeliever (as on the Day of Pentecost, Acts 2v7,8, with Mark 16v17, 1Cor 14v22) and only rarely exercised the ministry of the gift of tongues for interpretation (1Cor 12v30, 14v27), however I do use the gift of tongues often in my daily prayer life, indeed it is invaluable to me and I would so much poorer (spiritually) without it!

You might want to have a look at the 2 studies I posted linked to in my post Here in Post #73...

Yahweh Shalom

I have known tongues to be used as a prayer language,I have seen tongues used to bring a message to the church and have seen it used as a sign to unbelievers. The problem is many misunderstand the gift of tongues and too many have seen it abused. A pity.

 

[jb]

I have known tongues to be used as a prayer language,I have seen tongues used to bring a message to the church and have seen it used as a sign to unbelievers. The problem is many misunderstand the gift of tongues and too many have seen it abused. A pity.

Yes, a great pity!

But ignorance and seeing the gift being abused badly should NOT stop a believer seeking out the proper usage of this beautiful gift (which cost Our Dear Lord Jesus so much, Acts 2v24-28, Rom 10v7, Eph 4v7-16), which certainly is NOT the least of the gifts of the Sprit as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11, but the GREATEST, because it is the gift we can exercise of our own freewill and the gift of tongues is the gateway to the manifestation of the other gifts of the Spirit (as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11) and if used diligently (in one's own personal prayer life) will lead to an abundant manifestation of the other 8 gifts of the Spirit!

We should NOT throw the baby out with the bath water!

Yahweh Shalom

 

[waynebo59]

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.



17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth..................(according to the word, how to)...

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

how to obtain..acts 2v38 Repent..(babys cant)..Be Baptized..(Full Immersion Greek meaning)..(This is your part)..(ask and keep on asking for) Receive the Holy Ghost...( GODS Part through Jesus Christ)...

and much more...............

I see saint John started this and got lock jaw,Trolling for his self satisfaction.Chest thumping