Tree of "Good and Evil". What is it really?

[RussellJBenigno]

when you say hyperbole are you suggesting our Lord is telling tall tails? exaggerating which would be miss leading. why would our Lord do that? was Jesus real or just an exaggerated character? i dont mean to sound sarcastic here but im trying to prove a point. when you start pulling out parts of the bible and calling them exaggerations you are destroying the credibility of the book. and once we go down this road whwere does it end?
when the Almighty stopped the sun for 24 hours i believe with all my heart thats exactly what happened.

Thank you! Thank you!
When God set me aside He told me to believe every Word He spoke. I was told to not add nor subtract or try and explain away what was written, but understand it as it was written. I Had to give up many things I was taught in bible college, because it did not coincide with scripture. I believe every Word Jesus spoke is for eternity. What a prophet speaks are Words from God, and to change those Words of God is rebellion against God. Everyone remember that when you say,"We can't believe it as written [and in the original language] because.....", and then offer excuse after excuse and commentary quote after quote, your in rebellion.
I am open for anyone to seriously discuss scripture and even disagree respectfully if respect is given. I really don't care what anyone believes, that's between you and God. I'm just here to test Revelation I perceive is from God.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

No. Don't over-spiritualise everything. The trees were trees. ....

I find it frightening that people on this forum are so quick to denounce scripture.

 

[RickyZ]

I find it frightening that people on this forum are so quick to denounce scripture.

Why, that's almost as bad as those who wish to add to it!

 

[ember]

Thank you! Thank you!
When God set me aside He told me to believe every Word He spoke. I was told to not add nor subtract or try and explain away what was written, but understand it as it was written. I Had to give up many things I was taught in bible college, because it did not coincide with scripture. I believe every Word Jesus spoke is for eternity. What a prophet speaks are Words from God, and to change those Words of God is rebellion against God. Everyone remember that when you say,"We can't believe it as written [and in the original language] because.....", and then offer excuse after excuse and commentary quote after quote, your in rebellion.
I am open for anyone to seriously discuss scripture and even disagree respectfully if respect is given. I really don't care what anyone believes, that's between you and God. I'm just here to test Revelation I perceive is from God.

The impression you give is not of a person who is testing a personal revelation they believe was given to them as per the book of Revelation

The import you put on your revelations and the length to which you go to both insult, call names and attempt to twist what someone says, states that you are here to teach and you believe everyone else is wrong

You have called believers who disagree with you pharisees (even though you do not understand what a pharisee is by your application) , you have hinted at some being evil, even though they have been polite and offered scripture to refute your interpretation and personal and private revelation, and you ignore some who challenge you in your supposed authenticity because they have discernment and that would be something you would most likely find disagreeable...at least that revelatory spirit you claim is God would find it uncomfortable

You proclaim superior knowledge but your entire vast sum, in your own eyes, is sadly lacking in love...hence your capacity to call names, etc

So you do not test at all...you are actually judging everyone and sum up your observations by calling us pharisees

 

[ember]

I find it frightening that people on this forum are so quick to denounce scripture.

No. I'm just denouncing you and your twisting and doctrines of demons understanding of same.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; I Tim 4:1

 

[Powemm]

Trees also bear fruit..a bad tree can not produce good fruit and a good tree can not produce bad fruit... since life and death are in the power of the tongue.. what words reveal life and which words reveal otherwise... to further look ... if all these words were pressed down and shaken together and wine poured from them... what kind of taste would it be upon God's lips?... it is a communal relationship.. our first offerings in everything, go first to Him..

 

[Powemm]

There are trees and there are vinyards.... all kinds of fruits

 

[psalm6819]

If we apply this thought to the text of the garden then we might have a clue as to what the teachers in the garden were teaching Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were the leaders of mankind. If they were the King and Queen and then the Garden of Eden was from where they were to rule from. Kings have counselors and teachers. Were these beings there to teach them in how to rule as royalty?

You've been watching to many episodes of Ancient Aliens. God was with Adam and Eve so why would they need teachers?

 

[psalm6819]

Here is his OP

Ezekiel 31 Give us a glimpse into what was happening in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were not eating an apple as we were taught. The tree was not a green leafy tree under which they sat. The scripture many times uses metaphors to explain simple truths. I think these metaphors come about, because the real meaning has been lost over time. I'm sure the book of Genesis was given by oral tradition for years until written down.

Wrong, God dictated Genesis to Moses.

 

[psalm6819]

Thank you! Thank you!
When God set me aside He told me to believe every Word He spoke. I was told to not add nor subtract or try and explain away what was written, but understand it as it was written. I Had to give up many things I was taught in bible college, because it did not coincide with scripture. I believe every Word Jesus spoke is for eternity. What a prophet speaks are Words from God, and to change those Words of God is rebellion against God. Everyone remember that when you say,"We can't believe it as written [and in the original language] because.....", and then offer excuse after excuse and commentary quote after quote, your in rebellion.
I am open for anyone to seriously discuss scripture and even disagree respectfully if respect is given. I really don't care what anyone believes, that's between you and God. I'm just here to test Revelation I perceive is from God.

Counted at least 5 I's Who does that remind me of?

I will...
I will...
I will..
I will...
I will...

 

[Tintin]

I find it frightening that people on this forum are so quick to denounce scripture.

We're not. We're denouncing your confusing, contradictory and pretty much gnostic interpretations of Scripture.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

The impression you give is not of a person who is testing a personal revelation they believe was given to them as per the book of Revelation

The import you put on your revelations and the length to which you go to both insult, call names and attempt to twist what someone says, states that you are here to teach and you believe everyone else is wrong

You have called believers who disagree with you pharisees (even though you do not understand what a pharisee is by your application) , you have hinted at some being evil, even though they have been polite and offered scripture to refute your interpretation and personal and private revelation, and you ignore some who challenge you in your supposed authenticity because they have discernment and that would be something you would most likely find disagreeable...at least that revelatory spirit you claim is God would find it uncomfortable

You proclaim superior knowledge but your entire vast sum, in your own eyes, is sadly lacking in love...hence your capacity to call names, etc

So you do not test at all...you are actually judging everyone and sum up your observations by calling us pharisees

Of course I have superior knowledge compared to you. Those of us called to bring growth to the Church are directed by the Holy Spirit of God. My office far exceeds anything you could vainly imagine. On your day of judgement you will be filled with dread because of all the vain words you have spoken against God and His anointed.

 

[RickyZ]

Of course I have superior knowledge compared to you. Those of us called to bring growth to the Church are directed by the Holy Spirit of God. My office far exceeds anything you could vainly imagine. On your day of judgement you will be filled with dread because of all the vain words you have spoken against God and His anointed.

You know how to tell a real prophet?

HE'S HUMBLE

You, not so much!!!

 

[Crustyone]

As Christians, we are exhorted to bear fruit.

We know we are not trees, but only {metaphorical} branches, offshoots of the true vine, Jesus Christ. I believe He was the {metaphorical} tree of Life placed in the garden of Eden; He holds the keys to life and death; all life is in Him; He is author and giver of life etc, and eternal life is promised to those who surrender to and abide in Him (John 15:4-5).

If Jesus is the tree of life in the garden, why will there be two trees of life in the New Jerusalem? As a side note, I understand that the Olive tree is considered the tree of life in the Middle East and by a strange coincidence Jesus said that the leaves of the Trees of Life would heal the nations and olive leaf tincture will kill hundreds of pathogens.

 

[posthuman]

The trees spoken of go back to the Garden of Eden, which means they were thousands of years old. These were not men because men are mentioned in the text.
. . .

The trees are angelic beings who are over countries and existed from the time of the Garden of Eden.

i think you may have overlooked something . . .

Ezek 31:1-18...., the word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, say to Pharaoh king of Egypt and his hordes: ​​​​​​“‘Who are you like in your greatness? ​​​Consider Assyria, a cedar in Lebanon, ​​​​​​with beautiful branches, like a forest giving shade, ​​​​​​and extremely tall; ​​​​​​its top reached into the clouds. ​​​​

 

[posthuman]

Just what is presented in the text and if the text does not say then I will not make it say something which is not there.

yeah, good plan.

i hope you stick with that.

 

[posthuman]

I'll say it again, "What trees do you know of that Envy, aspire to loftiness, or die in hell among mortals?".

((has a look at Ezekiel 31 again))

i dunno, what about Pharoah of Egypt?

or maybe the king of Assyria?

 

[posthuman]

Every object has a frequency and light is a frequency. The stones would cry out because every atom or particle is a resonating frequency of light, a piece of God.

let me just correct some bad physics here --

a "frequency" is a number. radiation is in general any type of waveform, that is, an oscillating signal. oscillating signals are repeating (over time) patterns of high/low amplitude - in one of the simplest cases, a sine wave:

the amount of time that passes between successive, identical parts of the waveform is called the wave's period. waveforms can be very complex; the sine wave is a simple case. for convenience, the period is usually defined as the amount of time between peak amplitudes. the period of a basic sine wave is 2π -- every 2π units of time, the wave repeats. a single repetition of a wave is called a "cycle" & the period of a wave is the amount of time it takes for one cycle to complete.

the "frequency" of a wave is the number of cycles that complete in one unit of time. the standard unit of time being a second, the standard unit of frequency is a Hertz (Hz) -- 1 Hz = 1/sec. you can more or less think of frequency as the "speed" of a wave.

light is a tricky thing that is either a particle or a wave, depending on how you measure it, or both. with regard to it's wavelike properties, it exists in many frequencies - this is what determines color. light is not a frequency. particular instances of light have a frequency.

with regard to the particle-like properties of light, it is made up of what are called photons. photons are massless particles that are fundamentally extremely different from what rocks are made of. now, there are all kinds of ideas in theoretical physics like sting theories, brane theories, etc, that suggest that photons and quarks may be made of other things, that at some level of granularity are alike. but to suggest that all things are made of light is flatly wrong.

about your "every object has a frequency" comment - this is pretty misleading and judging the tenuous grasp you exhibit on some more basic physics, i doubt you mean something that is very close to the truth.
it is true that everything can be described mathematically as a waveform. this is the computational basis of quantum physics. in that context it's not really correct to say that everything has a "frequency" and it's certainly not correct to say everything is a frequency. assuming a person (or anything else) is finite, if a person (or a rock or anything else) is described by a waveform, then that waveform has a finite wavelength (the distance covered by one period). this would be invariant for any particular object. but frequency is the number of those wavelengths that pass by during a given time period - it's like speed, remember - so it depends on velocity. the "frequency" of some kind of radiation would depend on the observer & method of measurement and also on his or her speed and direction - which also depend on a sort of "method of measurement" i.e. a fixed axis and unit of measurement. but radiation (waves) is an infinite stream of repeated waveforms -- if you're not infinitely repeating, or at least finitely repeating a number of times that covers the space of our breadth of measurement, you don't have a "frequency" -- that measure doesn't even make sense. if you insist on calculating it, there is one "you" and only one of your "wavelengths" elapse over all eternity. so what's your frequency? 1/infinity = 0.

more info, look up "De Broglie wavelength"
and in case you're wondering about yourself, a 150lb person moving at 55mph (relative to some reference frame) has a wavelength of about 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001 feet. but calculating your "frequency" is meaningless unless there are infinite copies of you driving down the interstate one after another. which there aren't. there's not even two.

 

[posthuman]

Every object has a frequency and light is a frequency. The stones would cry out because every atom or particle is a resonating frequency of light, a piece of God.

now forget the bad physics -- let's talk about some bad theology!

every atom is a piece of God? really?

that's more than "a little" pantheistic. it's the raw definition of it.

and you want us to believe you're His prophet?

If ... the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.
(Deuteronomy 13:2-3)
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remember how you said if the text didn't say it, you weren't going make it say something that wasn't there?

yeah. i'm just going to let that scripture speak for itself.

 

[Magenta]

If Jesus is the tree of life in the garden, why will there be two trees of life in the New Jerusalem? As a side note, I understand that the Olive tree is considered the tree of life in the Middle East and by a strange coincidence Jesus said that the leaves of the Trees of Life would heal the nations and olive leaf tincture will kill hundreds of pathogens.

That is a good question! I will look into it