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21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
 

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Dear lost one, your family is dead, your home destroyed, you're now paralyzed from the neck down and you can no longer breathe without the assistance of a machine, but its all good, my name is crossnote, and God loves you. Am I going to help you some how? I just did, I told you God loves you and that's all I'll be doing for you. Have a nice day.
...and that just may have made the difference between eternal loss and eternal gain. Sometimes it is important to step back and take a look at the bigger picture.
 

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This Christianity business is messy. It often requires getting dirty by actually hugging a drunk covered with puke... not just preaching at him. Jesus reached out and touched the Leper.
Amen, Willie. I couldn't agree more. This is an act of love.... and a wonderful opportunity to tell Him that the love that is within you comes straight from the heart of Jesus who rescued us when we were down and out.
 

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I have found that, for the most part, "righteous" people who simply slap hurting people up side the face with "the word of God" usually really only increase the guilt and condemnation they feel. This is NOT God's will.
I assure you, I had no intension of slapping anyone in the face with the OP. I had no plans for this thread to be a bone of contention.
 
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The same God who loves you hates sin. With passion equal to the passion with which God loves you God hates sin. The very wrath of God abides on sin. Sin may ravage all that you have but unless you forsake it for Christ your sin will place you in the lake of fire. The lake of fire created not for you dear soul but for the devil and his angels. A place where the white hot wrath of God is poured out in all its fury upon sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
You look at sin as imperfections in people. Sin was Jesus Christ, the perfect Lamb of God on the Cross. Sin was a curse; Jesus became that curse for us that we can look at one another as God looks at us - His children. We're not to keep dwelling on sin, for Jesus said if you look at sin, you're looking at Him up on the Cross.

But He's not on the Cross anymore! He has been resurrected and sin is destroyed!

God told us not to see each other on the outward anymore (sinful man) but to look at one another as through the eyes of God: redeemed by Christ! Even our enemies.

Every time we beat people down with condemnation and throw a heavy burden on their backs by telling them they gotta do something to merit God's grace, we are ignoring the Cross of Atonement. We are to love others like Jesus loves people. He never called them sinners but friends.

The only people Jesus was angry with are the self-righteous who kept badgering people that they had to do something to gain God's approval. Jesus asks us to do one thing: Believe Him. And if we believe Him, we will treat people the way He does. We will love them just as they are.

God's unfailing love changes people. He can change people through us if we love them as God does.
 
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Uh..... there WAS no topic until Utah posted.
I'm sorry, my bad. Here it is:

What would you say to a world of lost sinners if you knew they were reading this thread at this very moment?
 

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If Jesus was god why would he pray to the father?
He prayed to the Father as a man (yet simultaneously being God) because also as man he submitted to the Father, being obedient in all things.
 
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I assure you, I had no intension of slapping anyone in the face with the OP. I had no plans for this thread to be a bone of contention.
Oyster, in post #3, I thanked you for sharing the OP, but wanted more, in fact, I needed more. Growth, not contention was my hope. I apologize if you feel I slighted you in any way. :)
 
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I assure you, I had no intension of slapping anyone in the face with the OP. I had no plans for this thread to be a bone of contention.
Why would you think this was addressing you?
 
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He prayed to the Father as a man (yet simultaneously being God) because also as man he submitted to the Father, being obedient in all things.
Yet it means that the one we should submit to is the father. Why would god (as you claimed Jesus )pray to god(himself). Did any disciple pray to Jesus when he was amongst them?
 

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Yet it means that the one we should submit to is the father. Why would god (as you claimed Jesus )pray to god(himself). Did any disciple pray to Jesus when he was amongst them?
Again Jesus was the God/man that is, fully God and fully man. When Jesus prayed to the Father He did it as man, living that perfect sacrificial life in our place...

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
(Php 2:5-10)


Others did not pray to Jesus per se because He had not yet become their High Priest although many cried out to Him to heal or save from drowning or to have mercy on them etc.

Are you Jewish? Or what faith are you?
 

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Yet it means that the one we should submit to is the father. Why would god (as you claimed Jesus )pray to god(himself). Did any disciple pray to Jesus when he was amongst them?
Jesus told us that He prayed aloud to the Father for our benefit. He was also fulfilling the law to pray to God. "Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.” The same was true when God spoke on Jesus' behalf: Jesus said, "This voice was for your benefit, not mine."

Also,
Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

 

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Yet it means that the one we should submit to is the father. Why would god (as you claimed Jesus )pray to god(himself). Did any disciple pray to Jesus when he was amongst them?
They worshiped Him.

Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.
 
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Yet it means that the one we should submit to is the father. Why would god (as you claimed Jesus )pray to god(himself). Did any disciple pray to Jesus when he was amongst them?
Why are you asking? Are you seeking to know Jesus Christ?
 
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Jesus told us that He prayed aloud to the Father for our benefit. He was also fulfilling the law to pray to God. "Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.” The same was true when God spoke on Jesus' behalf: Jesus said, "This voice was for your benefit, not mine."

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Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

If he were god he should haves said pray to me , I am god. Why suppose what he did not claim? Your quote shows clearly that Jesus was sent by the Father. You say it yourself in the service of god.
 
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Is there a need to be God/ man ? So the best people Jesus's disciples did not pray and we are better then them and we innovate? Is that it?

as for being Jewish or otherwise is irrelevant . My salvation depends on how I relate to God Almighty.
 
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Why are you Christian? Cause you think you will be saved. I want to meet my lord with the right belief in Him. Imagine I work all my life for someone but when it is time to reap the reward I find out that the owner of that firm is someone else. If I go and ask the real owner for the earnings he would say get away from me , get your reward or earnings from the one you worked for who turned out to be an employee like me. Big loss
 

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Is there a need to be God/ man ? So the best people Jesus's disciples did not pray and we are better then them and we innovate? Is that it?

as for being Jewish or otherwise is irrelevant . My salvation depends on how I relate to God Almighty.
No. Your salvation depends on the perfect work Christ Jesus did for us including His death and rising from the dead.
If Jesus was just finite man his death would only cover one person, but because He is Eternal Almighty God, His death was sufficient for all who call upon Him for salvation.

You can stubbornly believe what you want but there is no Salvation outside the Person of Jesus Christ.

Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
(Joh 14:6)

In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:1)


The Word became flesh and lived among us. We gazed on his glory, the kind of glory that belongs to the Father's unique Son, who is full of grace and truth.
(Joh 1:14)
 
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And behold Jesus met them, saying: All hail. But they came up and took hold of his feet, and adored him. In one version the Douay-Rheims and in the Darby bible translation : And as they went to bring his disciples word, behold also, Jesus met them, saying, Hail! And they coming up took him by the feet, and did him homage. Now someone is translating differently each time, why? Besides what does worship mean? Showing respect ? Bowing down ? This was common in old times to even every ruler and king. Does this mean you see the people to whom you show respect as God? I do not think so.
 

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And behold Jesus met them, saying: All hail. But they came up and took hold of his feet, and adored him. In one version the Douay-Rheims and in the Darby bible translation : And as they went to bring his disciples word, behold also, Jesus met them, saying, Hail! And they coming up took him by the feet, and did him homage. Now someone is translating differently each time, why? Besides what does worship mean? Showing respect ? Bowing down ? This was common in old times to even every ruler and king. Does this mean you see the people to whom you show respect as God? I do not think so.
I gave you John 1:1 showing "the Word was God"
and I gave you John 1:14 "the Word became flesh"

The Word became flesh was Jesus in His incarnation. Tie that in with "The Word was God" and you have Jesus is God in the flesh.

You did not respond to this which tells me you are not serious but just here to throw out your views. Fine. But neither am I willing to just argue for argument sake or play "chase the changing objections".