Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

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MissCris

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

I have not seen it...and I think you understand my point? You guys would tear a fellow to small pieces if a guy was trying to justify his adultery or abuse against his wife. But somehow those who speak against this whole gay agenda thing are not showing the compassion some of you think should be shown? I don't buy it :p
That's the fourth or fifth time you've implied that the women on this forum are basically rabid wolves. Is there something you'd like to get off your chest? :p
 
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Mitspa

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

That's the fourth or fifth time you've implied that the women on this forum are basically rabid wolves. Is there something you'd like to get off your chest? :p
Did I say wolves? :p

My point is very evident, and you know it. Lets not play this game today...im kinda tired
 

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

Actually... (sorry Siberian, that was for you! :p) I've seen this in the threads A LOT over the years here from both men and women. Lots of people who are separated or say they haven't lived with their spouse for months, etc. but they don't seem to realize that they are still actually married... and they're dating someone else... and looking for approval.

Lynx and chick, LOVED your example of gossip--excellent points!!! Sometimes when people are convicted of gossip and complaining all the time... They find they have nothing left to say! (I've been there.)
I have not seen it...and I think you understand my point? You guys would tear a fellow to small pieces if a guy was trying to justify his adultery or abuse against his wife. But somehow those who speak against this whole gay agenda thing are not showing the compassion some of you think should be shown? I don't buy it :p
I don't know how often you read the Family forum, Mitspa, but that's where you'll usually find people confessing their adultery, and not so much in Singles.

In fact, there's a current thread (though I have to double check, it might be in the Women's Forum) going on right now in which a woman is confessing her affairs.

And another woman is ripping her apart for it.

You've only been on CC for about a year and a half. If you read the Family Forum regularly for several years, I guarantee you'll see plenty of stories of adultery, from both men and women, and you can see how people react for yourself.

I've always wanted to ask you if you've always had really terrible experiences with women and maybe that's why you say some of the things you do? I was also very surprised in another thread when you asked about the Women's Forum and if we all "read from the same playbook" as if all women are robots who think and answer alike. I'm wondering if maybe you haven't really had a chance to talk to many women, or get to know them personally, or maybe you've only received negative treatment from women?

I was genuinely shocked by that because even my guy friends in high school knew more about women than that. I mean, you obviously know that men have different backgrounds and will react to things differently, why would you think that women are all so homogeneous?

But you're right. Perhaps that's a topic for another day.
 
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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

Did I say wolves? :p

My point is very evident, and you know it. Lets not play this game today...im kinda tired
*sits down and shuts up per guidelines for Acceptable Female Behavior*
 
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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

I don't know how often you read the Family forum, Mitspa, but that's where you'll usually find people confessing their adultery, and not so much in Singles.

In fact, there's a current thread (though I have to double check, it might be in the Women's Forum) going on right now in which a woman is confessing her affairs.

And another woman is ripping her apart for it.

You've only been on CC for about a year and a half. If you read the Family Forum regularly for several years, I guarantee you'll see plenty of stories of adultery, from both men and women, and you can see how people react for yourself.

I've always wanted to ask you if you've always had really terrible experiences with women and maybe that's why you say some of the things you do? I was also very surprised in another thread when you asked about the Women's Forum and if we all "read from the same playbook" as if all women are robots who think and answer alike. I'm wondering if maybe you haven't really had a chance to talk to many women, or get to know them personally, or maybe you've only received negative treatment from women?

I was genuinely shocked by that because even my guy friends in high school knew more about women than that. I mean, you obviously know that men have different backgrounds and will react to things differently, why would you think that women are all so homogeneous?

But you're right. Perhaps that's a topic for another day.
Did you understand my point?
 

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

Actually... (sorry Siberian, that was for you! :p) I've seen this in the threads A LOT over the years here from both men and women. Lots of people who are separated or say they haven't lived with their spouse for months, etc. but they don't seem to realize that they are still actually married... and they're dating someone else... and looking for approval.

Lynx and chick, LOVED your example of gossip--excellent points!!! Sometimes when people are convicted of gossip and complaining all the time... They find they have nothing left to say! (I've been there.)
I have not seen it...and I think you understand my point? You guys would tear a fellow to small pieces if a guy was trying to justify his adultery or abuse against his wife. But somehow those who speak against this whole gay agenda thing are not showing the compassion some of you think should be shown? I don't buy it :p
Did you understand my point?
Are you understanding mine?

And yes, of course I understand your point. (Maybe you don't think I could because I'm a woman. :p)

I just wholeheartedly disagree with it. As you are free to disagree with mine.

As if it's the first time we've ever disagreed! :rolleyes: And, we can agree to disagree, which I do.
 
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Mitspa

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

*sits down and shuts up per guidelines for Acceptable Female Behavior*
Look you know very well the point I was making..so please don't start the thing where you act like your being treated unfairly by me, because your a woman. That stuff is getting a little old in my view.
 
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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

Look you know very well the point I was making..so please don't start the thing where you act like your being treated unfairly by me, because your a woman. That stuff is getting a little old in my view.
I do know the point you were making.

You dislike and have no respect for women. That's totally fine- I'm not about to try to get you to change your mind about it. But why not just SAY it, outright, instead of all the thinly-veiled jabs at us? If you don't want women calling you out on your "subtle" insults all the time, maybe you should stop posting so many subtle insults.

Just a suggestion.
 
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Mitspa

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

I do know the point you were making.

You dislike and have no respect for women. That's totally fine- I'm not about to try to get you to change your mind about it. But why not just SAY it, outright, instead of all the thinly-veiled jabs at us? If you don't want women calling you out on your "subtle" insults all the time, maybe you should stop posting so many subtle insults.

Just a suggestion.
See...you make my point ...instead of discussion the issue or the point I made, you accuse me of being disrespectful of women...some of you play that "card" all the time and its getting old. would some of you be so gentle with a man who was promoting the idea that cheating on his wife, is the same as being overweight? Let me give you the evident answer...no you would not!
 
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MissCris

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

See...you make my point ...instead of discussion the issue or the point I made, you accuse me of being disrespectful of women...some of you play that "card" all the time and its getting old. would some of you be so gentle with a man who was promoting the idea that cheating on his wife, is the same as being overweight? Let me give you the evident answer...no you would not!
I'm actually not trying to pick a fight- I just find the frequent insults tiresome.

But your question- would we be gentle with a man who said adultery was the same as being obese? I doubt we would be gentle, but I would hope nobody would be cruel. Though of course our handling of the situation would depend ON the situation. And, while we may not always be "gentle" in that type of scenario, I think that for the most part, the group in this particular forum tend to be respectful even while strongly disagreeing with somebody. I mean, we all have our bad moments, but overall? The majority of regulars know to avoid crossing the line from discussing/debating over to attacking/disrespecting someone. And! If that line does get crossed, remorse and apologies are generally quick to follow.

So, on topic, and to kind of go with my last paragraph there-

Not all sins are equal in severity, but all sins are still Sin and separate us from God. Is it always OUR duty to point out a sin someone is committing? Do we need to be constantly on the look out for any person, anywhere, doing something wrong? No. But when we Do step in and say something, we need to remember that we are fellow sinners and that we are speaking to a fellow human being and child of God. It's possible to communicate the seriousness of an action without blasting the person. And it's possible to treat every person with their various sins with an equal level of respect, love, and compassion, even if our message is more direct or even more harsh for one person than another.
 
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Mitspa

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

I'm actually not trying to pick a fight- I just find the frequent insults tiresome.

But your question- would we be gentle with a man who said adultery was the same as being obese? I doubt we would be gentle, but I would hope nobody would be cruel. Though of course our handling of the situation would depend ON the situation. And, while we may not always be "gentle" in that type of scenario, I think that for the most part, the group in this particular forum tend to be respectful even while strongly disagreeing with somebody. I mean, we all have our bad moments, but overall? The majority of regulars know to avoid crossing the line from discussing/debating over to attacking/disrespecting someone. And! If that line does get crossed, remorse and apologies are generally quick to follow.

So, on topic, and to kind of go with my last paragraph there-

Not all sins are equal in severity, but all sins are still Sin and separate us from God. Is it always OUR duty to point out a sin someone is committing? Do we need to be constantly on the look out for any person, anywhere, doing something wrong? No. But when we Do step in and say something, we need to remember that we are fellow sinners and that we are speaking to a fellow human being and child of God. It's possible to communicate the seriousness of an action without blasting the person. And it's possible to treat every person with their various sins with an equal level of respect, love, and compassion, even if our message is more direct or even more harsh for one person than another.
Ok lets give that stuff where you think Im a woman hater a rest...and the point I made was that any gay person seeking help would be treated with compassion on this forum (for the very large part) from what I have seen. the difference is when folks start to approve this sin with some kind of unbiblical logic that all sin is the same therefore we can treat it like being overweight.... Which is completely contrary to biblical truth. Even as justified believers we are told this sort of sin is a sin different than any other sin and that God will destroy the body of ANY BELIEVER that don't keep themselves free from fornication. So under neither covenant could one equate this sin with being overweight...its just ungodly to even suggest such a thing.
 
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MissCris

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

Now that I'm thinking about this topic, I would compare it to parenting-

I have two very young children (so I'm only beginning to see how this is similar) of different ages who are each apparently prone to different types of misbehavior; sometimes one of them does something far more serious than what the other just did. I have to handle them each differently- sometimes I am more severe with one than the other, but I try very hard to be fair, and I make a huge effort to let them know that they are loved even when I have to discipline them.

And I think that's a good way to go about it when confronting or discussing someone's sin- fairly, firmly, and with love, but also using discernment to know when to be more severe or when it's better to be gentle.
 
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Mitspa

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

Now that I'm thinking about this topic, I would compare it to parenting-

I have two very young children (so I'm only beginning to see how this is similar) of different ages who are each apparently prone to different types of misbehavior; sometimes one of them does something far more serious than what the other just did. I have to handle them each differently- sometimes I am more severe with one than the other, but I try very hard to be fair, and I make a huge effort to let them know that they are loved even when I have to discipline them.

And I think that's a good way to go about it when confronting or discussing someone's sin- fairly, firmly, and with love, but also using discernment to know when to be more severe or when it's better to be gentle.
What you don't do is tell one of them that since their brother is overweight, its ok for them to have sex with others...that's how silly the intention of this thread is.
 
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Hey Everyone,

I've always found it intriguing, and a bit disheartening, that different sins usually receive such different reactions--and sadly, often very different treatment of the people involved.

If someone writes a thread declaring, "I Think I'm Gay--Please Help", what would be your reaction, and, more importantly, your answer, be?

How about if someone wrote, "I Am Obese--Please Help"--would your reaction be as strong or edgy? Would you quote as much Scripture to that person as to the one who wondered if they were gay? Better yet, what if someone simply wrote, "I'm Overweight--Please Help." How would you answer? (When I say "overweight" or "obese", I'm not talking about a medical issue that can't be helped, but rather, someone who is struggling with overeating and the harmful effects are evident on his or her body.)

Let's say that both issues in this case (sexual struggles and weight struggles) are rooted in the same thing--lust. Most people think of lust as being something exclusively sexual, but the definition of lust that I am reading right now says: "Lust: a passionate or overmastering desire; a strong or excessive craving", with the example being, "A lust for power."

Who among us HASN'T lusted for something, and yes, in a sinful way? We've all wanted something, coveted something, or craved something that seems to take over our thoughts and life to the point where we shut God out or think we can achieve something through our own ability. Maybe it's power, prestige, money, or admiration... Lust has a way of manifesting itself in many different ways, and I find it interesting that one can suffer with sexual lust and be automatically shunned, but the person who struggles over an obsession (lust) for eating is received in an entirely different way (is it because so many of us are familiar with this particular type of "overwhelming craving" in our own lives?) Do we "go easier" on the person struggling with food... because we're also trying to go easy on ourselves? Is it because we somehow don't think that lusting for food and eating to the point of harming our own bodies is somehow not a sin? Are we ignoring the planks in our own eyes... and the super-sized sandwich and cola we just ordered for lunch?

I once heard a sermon in which a pastor said, "If you can't resist a hamburger, how are you going to resist a devil that's trying to kill you?"

For me personally, I have always had a soft spot for people who struggle with sexual identity because I've often heard them say things such as, "I always felt different from other people"; "I grew up being an outsider"; and, "I don't know who I am", which are all things I am very familiar with, despite the fact that I have never been attracted to my own gender at all. However, the issues of identity and not fitting in are something I am very familiar with and have a lot of empathy for. I can only speak for myself, but I find that I am usually much more interested in the person and who they are than with the issue they're struggling with.

However, I've noticed time and time again that if someone says they're having issues with sexual identity or addiction, the conversation suddenly becomes all about What They're Doing Wrong and How They Need to Be Corrected rather than about the person themselves, which I find very discouraging.

Why is it that someone who has an issue with overeating isn't treated the same way? Is it because we're often shoveling chips and candy down our own windpipes as we're sitting here typing anonymous answers?

I am genuinely curious as to what your opinions are... and how we can better treat all people, no matter what their fight may be, with a better sense of compassion and respect.
Because everyone overeats at one time or another.

Not everyone experiences homosexual tendencies.. or at least none that they wood admit to. :rolleyes:

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What you don't do is tell one of them that since their brother is overweight, its ok for them to have sex with others...that's how silly the intention of this thread is.
That isn't even the intention of this thread- as I understood it, Seoul was asking why we aren't able to treat one sinner with as much love and compassion as another, regardless of the sin being committed. Gluttony and homosexuality were merely examples.
 

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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

That isn't even the intention of this thread- as I understood it, Seoul was asking why we aren't able to treat one sinner with as much love and compassion as another, regardless of the sin being committed. Gluttony and homosexuality were merely examples.
For the handful of people who actually DO understand what I'm trying to say in my threads, thank you.

I greatly appreciate you and the clarifications you've made to my original point.

And I'm thinking of starting my own Secret Society of SeoulSpeak... (I'm kidding!!! I think.)

For those of you who just don't get what I'm trying to say, well, thanks for at least trying. I think people have had good intentions but yes, there have been several people who have been way off base as far as what I've been trying to say and I don't know how to explain it any further.

However, have no fear!!!

This probably won't be my last thread.

There's always next time! :D
 
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Mitspa

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That isn't even the intention of this thread- as I understood it, Seoul was asking why we aren't able to treat one sinner with as much love and compassion as another, regardless of the sin being committed. Gluttony and homosexuality were merely examples.
I agree compassion for sinners is great.. those who are seeking help deserve our compassion. Those who are trying to promote the gay agenda, deserve our rebuke.
 
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Re: Why Does "I Think I'm Gay" Get Such a Different Reaction From "I Am Obese"?

The whole Idea that the bible represents being overweight or heavy with sodomy is so unbiblical that's is insulting to Christ in my view.
 

seoulsearch

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The whole Idea that the bible represents being overweight or heavy with sodomy is so unbiblical that's is insulting to Christ in my view.
You don't understand what I've been trying to say at all.

And I understand that.

As I said earlier, I agree to disagree with you, and will leave it at that.

For anyone who still doesn't understand, as MissCris said, it's all about the compassion we show to others who are dealing with different sins. I don't know how to state this any clearer.

As I said... Let's try again in the next thread! :)
 
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There will be no next thread..