Is it fine to be religious and gay?

[crossnote]

As I read this, it's more a result of turning one's back on God...

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
(Rom 1:21-24)

 

[atwhatcost]

Apparently not or you wouldn't have been banned so quickly. Just sayin'.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Here's a fascinating five-part kindle book titled 'The Rite of Sodomy Homosexuality and the Roman Catholic Church' by University of New York graduate Randy Engel. You'll want to read this if you're interested in scholarly research on the rise of homosexual priests and rise of homosexual power within the Roman Catholic Church:

Volume 1
Volume 2
Volume 3
Volume 4
Volume 5

[video=youtube;lwDUkEEJzVo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwDUkEEJzVo[/video]

 

[FreeNChrist]

Just wondering...

I would say it is neither fine to be religious or gay.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"...if bishops were willing to break ranks with the clerical code of omerta and with the conciliarist novelty of Episcopal Collegiality that silences to this very day the bishops in in the conciliar structures about the pervasiveness of sodomy in the structures of the conciliar church in this country and around the world...

This problem has indeed reared its pernicious head in the history of the Church at other times, there were popes and holy priests and bishops who recognized the problem and who took it upon themselves to try to rectify if, recommending stern measures for the individuals involved and careful steps to assure that their fellow-travelers would not have access to Holy Orders, whether in the secular or the religious priesthood.

The situation we face at present is one where the prevalence of sodomy in the episcopate and the priesthood of the conciliar structures is coupled with a manifest rejection of the authentic patrimony of the Catholic Church on almost every matter pertaining to Faith and morals...

What we are witnessing at present is, therefore, truly unprecedented in the history of the Church: a wholesale effort to justify vice of all sorts, including unnatural vice against the Sixth and the Ninth Commandments, as part of our "call to love one another as brothers and sisters in the Lord." Even the corrupt clerics of the Eleventh Century did not assert this contention. They just led their dissolute lives with abandon.

Today, however, the entire super-structure of the conciliar church, both liturgically and doctrinally, is built on the denial of the gravity of personal sin and the necessity of living a life of penance to undo the harm of sin on one's own soul and thus in the life of the Church Militant on earth and in the world-at-large.

While there are many wonderful priests who have yet to extricate themselves from the conciliar structures for a variety of reasons, the plain fact-of-the-matter is that warfare made against the Immemorial Mass of Tradition was launched in large measure so as to make it easier for Catholics who desired to accommodate themselves to various vices of the world could be affirmed in their "essential goodness" in a "new order" that would inevitably produce an environment of "art and architecture" redolent of the putrid odor of personal sin."

-excerpt from 'Understanding a Cesspool of Corruption' by Thomas A. Droleskey

 

[Mo0448]

hmmm... can a heterosexual man who is having sex with his girlfriend be religious (be a Christian)? Can a person who has addictions to food (gluttony), drugs (smoking) be a Christian?

Only the Lord knows the condition of a person's heart, whatever we (other Christians or just people in general) want to believe about it. When you become a Christian, God will renew your heart and your mind, as you grow in relationship with him (through prayer, meditation on his word, fellowship with other Christians).

The goal of being a Christian isn't about going to heaven, rather it is living in relationship with our Heavenly Father. Therefore, Christian people (those whom Christ has sanctified through his Grace) desire to live in a way that is honouring to him, which would mean denying these things that are not healthy for us, or part of God's will for our lives (as many Christians interpret through his Word, The Bible), which includes sex outside of Marriage (speaking from the way I interpret The Bible).

Couldn't agree more...

Here's more to the list..is it fine to be religious and struggle with lust and pornography? Or to be religious and struggle with lying and dishonesty? How about being religious and abusive? My question is...why are we regarding being gay as the "super sin" and everything else is kind of in the back-burner? Not that by any means, I am for sin as that's what scriptures call it...but why demonize this sin and disregard the others? We all sin and fall short of the glory of God...scriptures tells us that...and as Shannon said only God knows our hearts...and by accepting him and growing in the relationship with him (as Shannon also said) you are becoming sanctified where those sins or troubles or temptations no longer appeal to you...the problem is if you don't see something as an issue or a sin (lust, pornography, homosexual thoughts/actions/etc, gluttony, abuse) then how can you be renewed and grow away from it?

Just my two cents

 

[shotgunner]

Couldn't agree more...

Here's more to the list..is it fine to be religious and struggle with lust and pornography? Or to be religious and struggle with lying and dishonesty? How about being religious and abusive? My question is...why are we regarding being gay as the "super sin" and everything else is kind of in the back-burner? Not that by any means, I am for sin as that's what scriptures call it...but why demonize this sin and disregard the others? We all sin and fall short of the glory of God...scriptures tells us that...and as Shannon said only God knows our hearts...and by accepting him and growing in the relationship with him (as Shannon also said) you are becoming sanctified where those sins or troubles or temptations no longer appeal to you...the problem is if you don't see something as an issue or a sin (lust, pornography, homosexual thoughts/actions/etc, gluttony, abuse) then how can you be renewed and grow away from it?

Just my two cents

Pretty much my view as well. I think the important part is acknowledging sin as sin and having the desire to be free from it. If I had to use one word to describe the most important aspect of our relationship with Christ it would be SURRENDER. We have to surrender our desires to align with God's desires. We have to surrender our thoughts and adopt God's thoughts. The actual sanctification and yielding of our will is a process, but I believe that desire to please God and obey him is born into our new creation spirit at the moment of the new birth.

 

[Lancelot]

Fifty years ago nobody in this country would have asked such a question. It's only because of the gay agenda that has infiltrated the media, education, politics, psychology, and entertainment that our views have changed. Read about it here.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

We haven't put anything on the "back burner." You are making a false assertion with respect to that. However, the squeaky wheel does often get greased. Genuine Christians won't allow a sexual immorality to become a harbinger of their persecution as governments act to enshrine it with the power of the justice department as a civil right which automatically carries serious legal consequences for Christians up to and including job termination, prison, and bankruptcy who refuse to condone or facilitate the sexual immorality without voicing their reasons why it shouldn't be.

Fornication, adultery, etc... are not being legally enshrined as civil rights carrying serious legal and fiscal consequences to Christians whom fail to condone or facilitate them when ordered to do so in government, academia, private organizations, etc... but homosexuality is.

Also, in scripture a society's embrace of homosexuality into the rule of law persecuting the righteous on behalf of the immoral involves a prophetic attribute of impending judgment.

Furthermore, from a socio-historical perspective, this is the point when a people group, nation, civilization begins to rapidly decline ultimately resulting in replacement and scholars who study civilization replacement publish this happens rapidly afterwards no more than a few generations.

You have a lot to learn, but at least you're interested and asking questions. The next step would be to read some scholarly books on the topic. I recommend starting with:

1. Homosexuality - contemporary claims examined in light of the bible and other ancient literature and law by James B De Young.

2. The New Tolerance by Josh McDowell.

3. Sex and Culture by J. D. Unwin

and for brevity The Triumph of Christianity by Rodney Stark.

These are just suggestions, of course. There are many great books that soundly answer all of your questions in detail with respect to the consequences sexual immorality in general and homosexuality in particular pose to people groups, nations, and civilizations that wholly embrace them.

why are we regarding being gay as the "super sin" and everything else is kind of in the back-burner?

 

[MikeHenderson]

Can one be a True Christian and be Gay? Yes.

Can one be a True Christian and be an Adulterer? Yes.

Can one be a True Christian and be a drug user? Yes.

Can one be a True Christian and be a murder? Yes.

God does NOT care what sin we are into when we accept Him as our Lord and Savior! We can be anything we want and still be able to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior!

There is no sin we can do that will keep us from receiving Salvation!

 

[resurrection33]

Just wondering...

God answered that for us:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Lev 18:22 RSV

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Can one be a True Christian and be Gay? Yes.

Can one be a True Christian and be an Adulterer? Yes.

Can one be a True Christian and be a drug user? Yes.

Can one be a True Christian and be a murder? Yes.

God does NOT care what sin we are into when we accept Him as our Lord and Savior! We can be anything we want and still be able to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior!

There is no sin we can do that will keep us from receiving Salvation!

One can be /from/ these sins and be a follower of Christ, yes.
But one cannot live in these sins and be with Christ as well, no.



And I can tell you absolutely for sure, just because you are tempted with homosexuality, there is nothing keeping you from ignoring it and not acting out on it.

 

[Yet]

Who would want to be gay and religious?

If I was gay, I would look at the religious writings and want no part of it.

I'm not anti gay. Doesn't bother me at all.

But a gay man can't pick up a bible, say he disagrees with it, yet still wants to be part of the faith.

Doesnt bother you at all? Do you have any idea what two naked men do to each other? Now confirmed as 'wonderful' and 'blessed' by 5 God hating Zombies on the SC! Now the pubic schools upping the pervert indoctrination down to kindergarten level! What next? Pedophillia which its constituents have been patiently waiting in the wings for years for normalization and acceptance. Polygamy? All in due course!
Then beastiallity right behind that! Imagine a guy marrying his dog! Don't call me crazy. 45 years ago if you would have told someone what would be happening today, they would have locked you up for psychological evaluation. And conveniently lose the key.
Today the inmates have literally taken over the asylum! Vile is holy and holy is vile. If you don't agree, jail time!
All because multitudes with a collective yawn said ' it doesn't bother me none'!

You may want to rethink your 'don't give a flip' stand!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

A lifestyle rooted in sexual immorality does not bar an unregenerate from receiving salvation and the accompanying regenerative new birth; however, every genuine Holy Spirit endowed new creature in Christ has a new nature and refreshed conscience that wants God's holiness and the sanctification He's begun in their life. No one can discard God's holiness without consequence including born again Christians.

Antinomianism is a fallacious heresy that ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life falsely asserting that it's OK to discard God's moral law, an extension of God's own character... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral license rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

God is love AND God is holy. In reality, God's love cannot be disjoined from God's moral law. They both exist eternally intertwined as objective realities that carry consequence reflecting God's own nature.

Salvation --> Sanctification --> Glorification

^ Grace is one tool in God's arsenal toward this objective. It is not a license for discarding His holiness and anyone that chooses to do so will suffer consequence.

Can one be a True Christian and be Gay? Yes.

Can one be a True Christian and be an Adulterer? Yes.

Can one be a True Christian and be a drug user? Yes.

Can one be a True Christian and be a murder? Yes.

God does NOT care what sin we are into when we accept Him as our Lord and Savior! We can be anything we want and still be able to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior!

There is no sin we can do that will keep us from receiving Salvation!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The Christian antinomianists error similarly to the ancient Gnostic Christians the apostles condemned in their epistles in that both reject God's holiness and moral law for their lives.

As Paul shared the Gospel with pagans involved in all sorts of normatively immoral behaviors in his travels calling them to repent and live godly lives as Christ taught, he certainly never condoned their immoral lifestyles nor misrepresented God's holiness and desire for all humanity to both be justified in Christ and reconciled to Himself and sanctified as per 1 Thessalonians 4:3 which states:

"It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality" noting that "But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person-such a person is an idolater-has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them." -Ephesians 5:3-7.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." -1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

"Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure." -John 3:2-3.

It is one thing to repent and become a Christian in recovery/sanctification struggling toward sanctification with sin issues in life. This is the condition many Christians find themselves in. Born-again Christians who aligned with God and His love and holiness in sanctification recognizing its essentiality and desirability for both their lives and their societies.

God answered that for us:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Lev 18:22 RSV

 

[Josefnospam]

NO............ sin is sin and all lead to death and separation from God. WE ALL need a savior but not all have one. And nothing you do can cause God to do anything. He chooses his people, he justified his people, he died for his people and his people know who he is and what he has done and give thanks to him forever. God does not need your help, permission, choice. God is not trying to save anyone, HE SAVES all his people thru his son the Lord and men HATE the truth.
God is the God of love AND of Judgement doing with his creation as he pleases and his saints will thank him for his finished work and can add nothing to it. HE alone is our hope and righteousness, and God and we should trust him and his wonderful works of Love AND Judgement. To do anything else (like trust in your will or work puts you in grave danger.

 

[AllanSnackbar]

Doesnt bother you at all? Do you have any idea what two naked men do to each other? Now confirmed as 'wonderful' and 'blessed' by 5 God hating Zombies on the SC! Now the pubic schools upping the pervert indoctrination down to kindergarten level! What next? Pedophillia which its constituents have been patiently waiting in the wings for years for normalization and acceptance. Polygamy? All in due course!
Then beastiallity right behind that! Imagine a guy marrying his dog! Don't call me crazy. 45 years ago if you would have told someone what would be happening today, they would have locked you up for psychological evaluation. And conveniently lose the key.
Today the inmates have literally taken over the asylum! Vile is holy and holy is vile. If you don't agree, jail time!
All because multitudes with a collective yawn said ' it doesn't bother me none'!

You may want to rethink your 'don't give a flip' stand!

Well if the day ever comes when paedophilia is legal and beastiality is common place then we can continue with the discussion. Until then, there's nothing really to discuss.

But for now, Consider the words 'Mutual Consent'

 

[Agricola]

Classic comedy from the 1980's Not the Nine Oclock news, which of course highlights the fact that this whole thing about being Gay and a Christian is nothing new.

[video=youtube;RJy2UucDcDw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJy2UucDcDw[/video]

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I disagree. There's always been a great deal to discuss. Even if humanity had not fallen into sin, there would be a great deal to discuss. And mutual consent does not legitimize immorality.

Until then, there's nothing really to discuss.

 

[Mitspa]

Well if the day ever comes when paedophilia is legal and beastiality is common place then we can continue with the discussion. Until then, there's nothing really to discuss.

But for now, Consider the words 'Mutual Consent'

Because two consent to sin...its just means its twice as bad.....nothing more