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Crimson_Lark

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Recently my friend pointed out that dating sites make more money off of unsatisfied customers than customers who ride off into the sunset together.

Using the metaphor of a menu he talked about how online dating feeds the mindset of "But wait! There is a better dish..."
The elusive "perfect person" ends up being the proverbial carrot that lures single people into a constant state of search. Singles are then unwilling to invest time and energy in finding out if someone is really a good match. In the end they hope to gain The One and pass over real matches. This is in essence the flip side of settling.

Do you think menu disorder( for lack of a better term) is a real dynamic that has been fed by the internet? Or is this just another theory posited by people who don't understand high standards?
 

Mo0448

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Recently my friend pointed out that dating sites make more money off of unsatisfied customers than customers who ride off into the sunset together.

Using the metaphor of a menu he talked about how online dating feeds the mindset of "But wait! There is a better dish..."
The elusive "perfect person" ends up being the proverbial carrot that lures single people into a constant state of search. Singles are then unwilling to invest time and energy in finding out if someone is really a good match. In the end they hope to gain The One and pass over real matches. This is in essence the flip side of settling.

Do you think menu disorder( for lack of a better term) is a real dynamic that has been fed by the internet? Or is this just another theory posited by people who don't understand high standards?
I can see that Crimson...especially if someone is going to base their initial attraction to a "picture" or a few words in a profile...I'll put it out there as honestly (and as bluntly) as I can...There will always be someone more aesthetically pleasing out there...and that can be the problem I think by "better dish" people will find or see someone who they find more attractive and move on to that dish which ends up being silly and shallow but yea...I totally agree

on a completely different sidenote...when I look at your avatar it makes me laugh a lot lol
 

maxwel

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When people are too unrealistic to get a date, I don't think they have a fancy new disorder.

I think they're just dumb.

People have been dumb for thousands of years.
"Dumb" isn't a new disorder.

"Dumb" may actually be getting worse, as mankind progresses... but it isn't new.
 
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maxwel

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Sorry.

Sorry to be such a wet blanket.

If you guys want to have a new disorder, it's not very Christ-like of me to prevent you.
Sorry.
I feel really bad now.

Please, don't mind me, please go ahead and have some new disorders.
It's not right of me to come between you and any new disorders you might find fulfilling.

Please accept my apology.
I really want you to have all the disorders you need.

I feel so awful now.

I'll pray for you to have more disorders.
I'll make this right somehow.
I promise.
 

Mo0448

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its not that its a disorder per say Maxwell..Crimson_lark was pointing out an observation and asking what people thought of it ... you're not wet blanket or a blanket...blankets don't have hands therefore can't type messages on keyboards
 
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JeniBean

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There is no perfect match. Just like a menu you have to accept some of the items being served or you will starve. The problem isn't per say the internet as much as the selfishness of the world. Every one thinks it should all be easy and perfect in a relationship. I personally believe a relationship is work some of the hardest work you do to maintain communication...love etc. If I don't work on my relationship with GOD it would be pretty lame and one sided. However I work on it daily. The internet sites allow you to be even more selfish and last looking for the perfect match. That's crappy I mean there is something to live about everyone and everything. You just have to realize you are not perfect nor are they So if the atherythem says your a match...but the looks are so so...why not try? Last guy I dated was not as my mom said all the time a "looker" I didn't care the happiness he brought me was why I dated him.
 

Lynx

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I've never been on a dating site so I can't say what they do, much less whether it's deliberately to get people to stick around. But I am reminded of when I tried to buy a laptop on a certain tech sales site. No matter what computer I was looking at, they had another computer in the sidebar - almost like the one I was looking at, but just a little better, just a bit more RAM, just a slightly faster processor... for just $30 or $40 more. And if you went to look at that slightly better one, there was one just a little better than that in the sidebar.
 
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ServantStrike

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Recently my friend pointed out that dating sites make more money off of unsatisfied customers than customers who ride off into the sunset together.

Using the metaphor of a menu he talked about how online dating feeds the mindset of "But wait! There is a better dish..."
The elusive "perfect person" ends up being the proverbial carrot that lures single people into a constant state of search. Singles are then unwilling to invest time and energy in finding out if someone is really a good match. In the end they hope to gain The One and pass over real matches. This is in essence the flip side of settling.

Do you think menu disorder( for lack of a better term) is a real dynamic that has been fed by the internet? Or is this just another theory posited by people who don't understand high standards?
I think there have always been shallow people out there, and I think that most people are probably pretty shallow.

Statistically, there are people who look a certain way who will have more success on an online dating site than others who outclass them in every other regard. This is probably due to the fact that dating sites are nothing more than catalogs of pictures.

The trick is to get people out of the catalog mindset. For a woman it's quite easy - initiate contact with a guy. Initiate contact with lots of them and then use the communication to weed out the bad ones.

For a guy, well you're stuck - you're going to have to attempt (and fail) a lot of times. But hey, if you try hard enough, you might just succeed.


I attempted 300 times on one site and 100 times on another site before I met my now fiance. Even I was getting impatient. She was 24, and therefore outside of my age filter (my metrics indicated I did poorly with women under 26-27), so if she hadn't contacted me, who knows what would have happened. I think God had something to do with it, but still, she did a bit of leg work.
 

Dino246

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My friend calls online dating "unicorn hunting"... trying to find that extremely rare someone who is single and looking and who has the qualities you seek (past the pictures) and few of those you can't stand. I'd be inclined to agree, but I'm not attracted to unicorns. :rolleyes:
 

zeroturbulence

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Aug 2, 2009
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Recently my friend pointed out that dating sites make more money off of unsatisfied customers than customers who ride off into the sunset together.

Using the metaphor of a menu he talked about how online dating feeds the mindset of "But wait! There is a better dish..."
The elusive "perfect person" ends up being the proverbial carrot that lures single people into a constant state of search. Singles are then unwilling to invest time and energy in finding out if someone is really a good match. In the end they hope to gain The One and pass over real matches. This is in essence the flip side of settling.

Do you think menu disorder( for lack of a better term) is a real dynamic that has been fed by the internet? Or is this just another theory posited by people who don't understand high standards?
Yes there are marketing geniuses out there who know just what it takes to keep customers interested like dangling a carrot in front of a rabbit.
 
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Hellooo

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Using the metaphor of a menu he talked about how online dating feeds the mindset of "But wait! There is a better dish..."
The elusive "perfect person" ends up being the proverbial carrot that lures single people into a constant state of search. Singles are then unwilling to invest time and energy in finding out if someone is really a good match. In the end they hope to gain The One and pass over real matches. This is in essence the flip side of settling.

Do you think menu disorder( for lack of a better term) is a real dynamic that has been fed by the internet? Or is this just another theory posited by people who don't understand high standards?
I think the concept is definitely real (if the term disorder offends, maxwel, consider it similar to the idea that the grass seems greener on the other side)
if you look at this whole ashleymadison situation, you have a bunch of guys creating accounts, many of them spending actual money in the hopes of finding someone different than the person they're supposed to be committed to (i cant grammar, not sorry). the idea also manifests itself in apps like tinder....just keep swiping until you find the perfect person.

Those sites wouldn't draw so much traffic if it wasn't for 'menu disorder'...
 

Lynx

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MollyConnor

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That's very interesting to think about! But I have no idea if it is true because I've never bothered with dating sites.
 

Roh_Chris

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Jun 15, 2014
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Yes there are marketing geniuses out there who know just what it takes to keep customers interested like dangling a carrot in front of a rabbit.
Hey, I AM a marketing guy and I take offense at that! :eek:

No, seriously, I know better than to market alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, junk food or dating sites. :)



Anyway, back to the point -

I think we are told to "dream big" and to "achieve more". We are constantly bombarded with messages that tell us that the "sky is the limit" to scaling new heights. All these sentences create images of a pseudo-perfect world in our head - a perfect job, a perfect partner, a perfect home, etc. It is normal for people who have lived under this hallucination to want to constantly 'swipe left' until they stumble upon that profile which embodies all that they have desired. But will the magic last beyond the first year of the relationship? Will it last beyond the honeymoon? Will it still be magical when she is suffering from stress and anxiety during the pregnancy?

I think that the idea of a "perfect partner" is a sham. It takes two imperfect individuals to put aside their egos and continuously work towards building a perfect relationship. :)
 

seoulsearch

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May 23, 2009
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Hi Crimson!

Great thread idea! And, I love the term, "proverbial carrot". I am going to have to "plant" that one firmly into my regular vocabulary from now on. :)

It's interesting that someone mentioned the Ashley Madison scandal (for those who may not know, it's a website with the sole purpose of connecting people who want to have affairs and promises to be completely anonymous--but recently it was hacked and identities were leaked, sometimes leading to divorces.) I read an article that said the Ashley Madison site had members in EVERY SINGLE US zip code except 3 (2 in Alaska, 1 in New Mexico) and they only attributed that to a lack of internet access in these very small towns.

As far as dating sites go, I think they're a lot like the medical field. Doctors would go broke if people didn't get sick. And dating sites would disappear if so many singles weren't looking for a 10 (but usually don't meet that standard themselves.) Personally, although Christianity prides itself on "looking at the heart", I think in some ways, Christians are worst of all.

Hear me out on this before picking up those stones! :p What I mean is, Christians all say, "GOD WANTS NOTHING BUT THE BEST FOR ME!!!" And so, someone who might be 7, an 8, or even a 9.9 SIMPLY IS NOT GOD'S BEST and therefore, I SHALL NOT SETTLE UNTIL I FIND GOD'S BEST. And so, whether we admit it or not... I think many of us Christian singles are actually looking for perfection, even though we say we understand that there will be flaws. After all, what kinds of "flaws" can possibly be acceptable if God has "The Best" waiting for us? The thing is, God's idea of "what's best"for us is usually a lot different than what we think of as "the best."

I heard someone recently say, "God's goal in marriage isn't happiness... It's holiness." And becoming holy usually means going through a lot of messy situations along the way.

Our entire culture is geared towards Newer, Better, Faster, More. We are told to replace everything around us with something newer, faster, better, and with more options. When we live in the midst of that mentality 24/7, it's hard not to apply that mentality towards people, too.

Once upon a time, people weren't bombarded with hundreds of thousands of choices. I think of my grandparents, who were born nearly 100 years ago and lived through things like WWII and The Great Depression. In those days, you married the girl in your class who lived next door to your family, you kept your buggies and then your cars and your tractors until they fell apart, and you ate the same foods every week because that's what was available from your garden.

Getting married in a world of literally millions of choices as we have today is kind of like, "Ok, you get to pick out one car, one place to live, one job to work at, and one food to eat... for the rest of your life... and you have to be content with that. And learn how to serve the other person in the process and worry about THEIR happiness more than your own." I often wonder if God wants to teach us about contentment long before we even think about marrying. What if God told you that as a way to practice for marriage, you had to keep the same friend, clothes, car, and phone for the next 20 years? And if you marry at 25, you could very well be with that same person for the next 60 years or more.

It's no wonder the Bible says the Christian life is not an easy one. I'm certainly not trying to knock on marriage in any way or sound pessmistic. I come from a family of "'til death did they part'" marriages and mine was the only one that failed.

But the thought of picking one person, and that person hopefully picking you... to be content with for the rest of your life... is, to me at least, a bit overwhelming, even with God's guidance (just my own vulnerabilities speaking here.)
 
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Hey, I AM a marketing guy and I take offense at that! :eek:

No, seriously, I know better than to market alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, junk food or dating sites. :)



Anyway, back to the point -

I think we are told to "dream big" and to "achieve more". We are constantly bombarded with messages that tell us that the "sky is the limit" to scaling new heights. All these sentences create images of a pseudo-perfect world in our head - a perfect job, a perfect partner, a perfect home, etc. It is normal for people who have lived under this hallucination to want to constantly 'swipe left' until they stumble upon that profile which embodies all that they have desired. But will the magic last beyond the first year of the relationship? Will it last beyond the honeymoon? Will it still be magical when she is suffering from stress and anxiety during the pregnancy?

I think that the idea of a "perfect partner" is a sham. It takes two imperfect individuals to put aside their egos and continuously work towards building a perfect relationship. :)
I love marketing! :eek: I may or may not even have a degree in advertising. :rolleyes:
 

Lynx

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Aug 13, 2014
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Hi Crimson!

Great thread idea! And, I love the term, "proverbial carrot". I am going to have to "plant" that one firmly into my regular vocabulary from now on. :)

It's interesting that someone mentioned the Ashley Madison scandal (for those who may not know, it's a website with the sole purpose of connecting people who want to have affairs and promises to be completely anonymous--but recently it was hacked and identities were leaked, sometimes leading to divorces.) I read an article that said the Ashley Madison site had members in EVERY SINGLE US zip code except 3 (2 in Alaska, 1 in New Mexico) and they only attributed that to a lack of internet access in these very small towns.

As far as dating sites go, I think they're a lot like the medical field. Doctors would go broke if people didn't get sick. And dating sites would disappear if so many singles weren't looking for a 10 (but usually don't meet that standard themselves.) Personally, although Christianity prides itself on "looking at the heart", I think in some ways, Christians are worst of all.

Hear me out on this before picking up those stones! :p What I mean is, Christians all say, "GOD WANTS NOTHING BUT THE BEST FOR ME!!!" And so, someone who might be 7, an 8, or even a 9.9 SIMPLY IS NOT GOD'S BEST and therefore, I SHALL NOT SETTLE UNTIL I FIND GOD'S BEST. And so, whether we admit it or not... I think many of us Christian singles are actually looking for perfection, even though we say we understand that there will be flaws. After all, what kinds of "flaws" can possibly be acceptable if God has "The Best" waiting for us? The thing is, God's idea of "what's best"for us is usually a lot different than what we think of as "the best."

I heard someone recently say, "God's goal in marriage isn't happiness... It's holiness." And becoming holy usually means going through a lot of messy situations along the way.

Our entire culture is geared towards Newer, Better, Faster, More. We are told to replace everything around us with something newer, faster, better, and with more options. When we live in the midst of that mentality 24/7, it's hard not to apply that mentality towards people, too.

Once upon a time, people weren't bombarded with hundreds of thousands of choices. I think of my grandparents, who were born nearly 100 years ago and lived through things like WWII and The Great Depression. In those days, you married the girl in your class who lived next door to your family, you kept your buggies and then your cars and your tractors until they fell apart, and you ate the same foods every week because that's what was available from your garden.

Getting married in a world of literally millions of choices as we have today is kind of like, "Ok, you get to pick out one car, one place to live, one job to work at, and one food to eat... for the rest of your life... and you have to be content with that. And learn how to serve the other person in the process and worry about THEIR happiness more than your own." I often wonder if God wants to teach us about contentment long before we even think about marrying. What if God told you that as a way to practice for marriage, you had to keep the same friend, clothes, car, and phone for the next 20 years? And if you marry at 25, you could very well be with that same person for the next 60 years or more.

It's no wonder the Bible says the Christian life is not an easy one. I'm certainly not trying to knock on marriage in any way or sound pessmistic. I come from a family of "'til death did they part'" marriages and mine was the only one that failed.

But the thought of picking one person, and that person hopefully picking you... to be content with for the rest of your life... is, to me at least, a bit overwhelming, even with God's guidance (just my own vulnerabilities speaking here.)
That awkward moment when... you read back over someone's post and realize that actually makes a good case for polygamy.

Or for lots of marriages in a row.
"Marry, divorce, marry, divorce, marry, divorce - polygamy on the installment plan."

PLEASE NOTE: I did not say seoulsearch advocates polygamy. It's just the only solution for the problem I can think of that human nature would actually go for.
 

seoulsearch

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*laughing*

I've just read at least two incidences in which Lynx posted direct responses to my posts in the threads and... I'm thinking he shouldn't be allowed to do that anymore because he seems intent on making me sound a bit crazy.

And here I thought I was doing just fine all by myself! :rolleyes:
 

Lynx

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Hey it's not MY fault you made such a good case...